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Two things: One, the quote is extremely, unnecessarily long, so an alternative quote would be nice. Second, since the characters with the prefix "Mer" must no doubt have some sort of relation (perhaps they're from a line of mages), a template would be nice. {{User:Reversinator/sig}}
Two things: One, the quote is extremely, unnecessarily long, so an alternative quote would be nice. Second, since the characters with the prefix "Mer" must no doubt have some sort of relation (perhaps they're from a line of mages), a template would be nice. {{User:Reversinator/sig}}
:A template isn't necessary and would be waste. A category would do just fine. - {{User:Edofenrir/sig}} 10:41, 21 December 2009 (EST)
:A template isn't necessary and would be waste. A category would do just fine. - {{User:Edofenrir/sig}} 10:41, 21 December 2009 (EST)
::{{fakelink|Template:Mario's Clothing}}. This one's a lot more wasteful. {{User:Reversinator/sig}}
::{{fake link|Template:Mario's Clothing}}. This one's a lot more wasteful. {{User:Reversinator/sig}}
:::Thanks for pointing that one out. I'll see to have it deleted as soon as possible. - {{User:Edofenrir/sig}} 10:54, 21 December 2009 (EST)
:::Thanks for pointing that one out. I'll see to have it deleted as soon as possible. - {{User:Edofenrir/sig}} 10:54, 21 December 2009 (EST)
::::And gone it is. - {{User:Edofenrir/sig}} 11:01, 21 December 2009 (EST)
::::And gone it is. - {{User:Edofenrir/sig}} 11:01, 21 December 2009 (EST)
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It's possible that the Merlon in PMTTYD is the same Merlon from the 1st Paper Mario. But the Merlon in SPM is all "blocky & jaged", so the one in SPM could be a different Merlon. {{User:BoygeyDude/sig}}
It's possible that the Merlon in PMTTYD is the same Merlon from the 1st Paper Mario. But the Merlon in SPM is all "blocky & jaged", so the one in SPM could be a different Merlon. {{User:BoygeyDude/sig}}
:So is everything in that game, so I really wouldn't pay attention to the design, and more to the character. We don't say Mario is a different Mario because one is 8-bit. [[File:Toad-brigade model CTTT.png|35px|]][[User:toadbrigade5|<font color=red><big>'''Toad'''</big></font>]][[User talk:toadbrigade5| <small>and his</small><font color=grey> '''brigade!'''</font>]][[File:Toadette model CTTT.png|35px]] 19:45, 18 May 2015 (EDT)
:So is everything in that game, so I really wouldn't pay attention to the design, and more to the character. We don't say Mario is a different Mario because one is 8-bit. [[File:Toad-brigade model CTTT.png|35px|]][[User:toadbrigade5|<font color=red><big>'''Toad'''</big></font>]][[User talk:toadbrigade5| <small>and his</small><font color=grey> '''brigade!'''</font>]][[File:Toadette model CTTT.png|35px]] 19:45, 18 May 2015 (EDT)
== Remake artwork ==
[[File:PMTTYD NS Merlon Artwork.png|thumb|180px]]
Merlon's remake artwork appears to mistakenly depict him with three feet for some reason. Is it still usable as an infobox image? [[User:Blinker|Blinker]] ([[User talk:Blinker|talk]]) 13:22, May 30, 2024 (EDT)
:Yeah that bothers me a lot as well. Looking at how the characters' models look in their initial T-pose, Merlon looks exactly like that in that state (hand pose and position as well) which suggests whoever made his render just loaded up his model and hit render without paying much thought to if any unnecessary parts were visible. Personally that doesn't seem like infobox material since it's a pretty glaring error in my opinion. I think either using a sprite/rendered model from the remake without the extra foot, or keeping the SPM render is the way to go. It wouldn't be the most recent official artwork, but considering this "official artwork" is just a render of the in-game model anyway and it has such a glaring mistake, I think that's warranted but again that's just me personally. --{{User:Fawfulthegreat64/sig}} 23:04, June 15, 2024 (EDT)
{| class="wikitable" align=left
| https://i.imgur.com/stGW4Qx.png
|-
| Merlon's in-game model in its "T-pose" state
|}
::I think "using a sprite/rendered model from the remake without the extra foot" is the way to go, but failing that, we should probably go back to the SPM render. [[User:Blinker|Blinker]] ([[User talk:Blinker|talk]]) 10:10, July 9, 2024 (EDT)
:::I just uploaded his remake sprite, if we want to switch to that. --[[User:Technetium|Technetium]] ([[User talk:Technetium|talk]]) 14:51, July 11, 2024 (EDT)
[[File:NS Merlon Sprite.png|thumb|Remake sprite]]
::::Much better! [[User:Blinker|Blinker]] ([[User talk:Blinker|talk]]) 15:15, July 11, 2024 (EDT)
:::::We already skip over artwork if it's specialized (i.e. non-standard design or art style), and for my two cents, a piece of artwork with such an obvious gaffe in the character's design is even worse and shouldn't be the first thing readers see as an illustration of the character. It's a little unconventional, but my preference would be to use the remake sprite. It's technically the most recent, and closer to Merlon's design in the majority of his appearances while SPM could be considered stylization. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 14:53, July 22, 2024 (EDT)

Latest revision as of 09:00, September 3, 2024

According to... the weird guy in the bar whos name I cant remeber, The merlon from PM and the one from PMTTYD are 2 different people. Should we make 2 articles? - User: Ultimatetoad

Can you provide the text, or am I gonna have to go and find it?
- Yoshi Master

Only one article is needed. See the Merlee article: "This Merlee may, in fact, be a different Merlee than the one in Paper Mario. This is because Wonky states there is a fortune-telling clan that names its members after their role in the clan. Perhaps the name "Merlee" indicates a certain role or ability one performs in the fortune-telling clan." The same applies to Merlon. They may be different characters, but Wonky does not state so for sure. -- Son of Suns
Either way, all guys named Merlon should be in the Merlon article, creating different articles based on a hunch is bad.
I am Confused 16:59, 19 April 2007 (EDT)

there should be two different articles i own both games and the people are completely different. i would do it but there are so many links for Merlon when they are really Merlin

Two things: One, the quote is extremely, unnecessarily long, so an alternative quote would be nice. Second, since the characters with the prefix "Mer" must no doubt have some sort of relation (perhaps they're from a line of mages), a template would be nice. Hello, I'm Time Turner.

A template isn't necessary and would be waste. A category would do just fine. - Gabumon from the Digimon franchise Gabumon(talk) 10:41, 21 December 2009 (EST)
Template:Mario's Clothing. This one's a lot more wasteful. Hello, I'm Time Turner.
Thanks for pointing that one out. I'll see to have it deleted as soon as possible. - Gabumon from the Digimon franchise Gabumon(talk) 10:54, 21 December 2009 (EST)
And gone it is. - Gabumon from the Digimon franchise Gabumon(talk) 11:01, 21 December 2009 (EST)

It's possible that the Merlon in PMTTYD is the same Merlon from the 1st Paper Mario. But the Merlon in SPM is all "blocky & jaged", so the one in SPM could be a different Merlon. A Strollin' Stu as it appears in Super Mario Sunshine. BoygeyPumpkineer A Smolderin' Stu in the game Super Mario Sunshine.

So is everything in that game, so I really wouldn't pay attention to the design, and more to the character. We don't say Mario is a different Mario because one is 8-bit. Artwork of the Toad Brigade from Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker.Toad and his brigade!Toadette model CTTT.png 19:45, 18 May 2015 (EDT)

Remake artwork[edit]

Artwork of Merlon from Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door (Nintendo Switch)

Merlon's remake artwork appears to mistakenly depict him with three feet for some reason. Is it still usable as an infobox image? Blinker (talk) 13:22, May 30, 2024 (EDT)

Yeah that bothers me a lot as well. Looking at how the characters' models look in their initial T-pose, Merlon looks exactly like that in that state (hand pose and position as well) which suggests whoever made his render just loaded up his model and hit render without paying much thought to if any unnecessary parts were visible. Personally that doesn't seem like infobox material since it's a pretty glaring error in my opinion. I think either using a sprite/rendered model from the remake without the extra foot, or keeping the SPM render is the way to go. It wouldn't be the most recent official artwork, but considering this "official artwork" is just a render of the in-game model anyway and it has such a glaring mistake, I think that's warranted but again that's just me personally. --Fawfulthegreat64Logo.png 23:04, June 15, 2024 (EDT)
stGW4Qx.png
Merlon's in-game model in its "T-pose" state
I think "using a sprite/rendered model from the remake without the extra foot" is the way to go, but failing that, we should probably go back to the SPM render. Blinker (talk) 10:10, July 9, 2024 (EDT)
I just uploaded his remake sprite, if we want to switch to that. --Technetium (talk) 14:51, July 11, 2024 (EDT)
Sprite of Merlon from Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door (Nintendo Switch)
Remake sprite
Much better! Blinker (talk) 15:15, July 11, 2024 (EDT)
We already skip over artwork if it's specialized (i.e. non-standard design or art style), and for my two cents, a piece of artwork with such an obvious gaffe in the character's design is even worse and shouldn't be the first thing readers see as an illustration of the character. It's a little unconventional, but my preference would be to use the remake sprite. It's technically the most recent, and closer to Merlon's design in the majority of his appearances while SPM could be considered stylization. --Waluigi's head icon in Mario Kart 8 Deluxe. Too Bad! Waluigi Time! 14:53, July 22, 2024 (EDT)