Talk:Kamek (Red)

Merge this plus Kamek (White) and Kamek (Green) to Kamek

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Current time: Tuesday, April 22, 2025, 00:20 GMT

The Crystal King Clone(s) aren't split and neither are Shadoo's shadow clones. The only reason I can surmise that this is split is the colors and the wiki generally doesn't like to split subjects based off color. These clones are just Kamek with a different can of paint and shouldn't be viewed as separate. Additionally, these Kameks only show up in the one fight alongside Kamek. There are plenty of cases of characters that appear alongside each other that could be considered separate that are merged regardless because they never appear on their own and this would be one of those cases.

Proposer: Pizza Master (talk)
Deadline: May 1, 2025, 23:59 GMT

Support

1. Pizza Master (talk) per
2. Salmancer (talk) Forget the color argument, I know for certain Nintendo101 is looking to change that philosophy and I mildly agree with them. This is a single Kamek battle, and having people go between four pages to see all of their stats and attacks only lengthens a wiki visit for the pendantry of these four being different individuals. If these are split, I see no reason to not make Knucklotec's Fist an article as a being that can operate independently of its user in a boss fight. (Yes, only because Mario is possessing it, but I feel the point stands.) EDIT: I'd also like to bring up that the Elite Trio X article is not accompanied by a Private Goomp X, Corporal Paraplonk X, and Sergeant Guy X, etc. One scenario, one article.
3. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) - At the start of the fight, they are blue, then Kamek zaps them and they change color. (I personally still hold to the color argument as valid.)

Oppose

1. Nightwicked Bowser (talk) They are seperate targetable enemies each with their own abilities.
2. Sorbetti (talk) The main idea of Shadoo is to create clones, thats why they are on his page and not separately. Knucklotec's fists are parts of him, they have no more purpose for separating than King Kalamari's tentacles, and they haven't even been shown to be alive. Per Nightwicked Bowser
3. Tails777 (talk) Per Nightwicked Bowser. Edit: they also have different stats, which makes it consistent a lot of other RPG enemies.
4. Camwoodstock (talk) Per Nightwicked Bowser. Separate enemies, unique abilities, and most importantly to us, these (and the other colored Kameks) are exclusive to the third and final Kamek fight in Dream Team. also to be honest we've been increasingly of the opinion that color variants of enemies should be split, and we know we're not alone in this
5. Sparks (talk) Per all.
6. Pseudo (talk) Per all, especially Sorbetti. This is more of a Wind Crystal than most boss minions, having a lot of unique identity of its own.
7. EvieMaybe (talk) per Pseudo
8. Nintendo101 (talk) Per all.
9. Blinker (talk) I think it would be better to merge these to their Magikoopa counterparts. While you can argue that Kamek is a unique recurring character distinct from generic Magikoopas, that doesn't really apply to these.
10. Shadow2 (talk) Per all.

Comments

So are Shadoo's Shadow Clones. They don't receive their own articles for being targetable and having their own abilities separate from Shadoo and they shouldn't.-- Pizza Master 16:17, April 17, 2025 (EDT)

1) Regardless, Shadoo creates named clones that could've been given articles like what happened here with Kamek's clones. 2) Can we really say that Kamek's copies are alive? It seems more likely than not to be nothing more than illusionary magic like the "Bowser mech suit" from Luigi's Mansion that was revealed to be nothing more than an illusion created by King Boo. We don't give an article to that object despite its relevance and impact to the final battle. So why should these clones that likely aren't real get to have their own articles? -- Pizza Master (talk)

The main issue here is there's also an argument to be made with merging them with the colored Magikoopa pages, especially since their Minion Quest versions reuse the sprites for these guys (and considering the JP names being identical minus some formatting, likely were intended to be these). Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 21:53, April 17, 2025 (EDT)

This I can potentially agree with, from the perspective that the Magikoopa/Kamek distinction is often pretty arbitrary. -- Pseudo (talk, contributions) 23:11, April 17, 2025 (EDT)