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Penguins are FTW. {{User:Plumber/sig|My favorite animal!}}
==Trivia==
I don't think the part about them being related to Bumpties is needed... {{User:Mr. Guy/sig|...}}


:Bumpties are better. ^_^--[[User:Dreyfus2006|Dreyfus2006]] 23:19, 11 June 2007 (EDT)
== The Adventures of SMB3 ==


That can be debated. ^_^ {{User:Plumber/sig}} 23:42, 11 June 2007 (EDT)
Shouldn't this be under a different section? {{unsigned|Fg}}


Forum please. Oh, and Bumpties are way more FTWer than Penguins, no offense.{{User:Knife/sig}} 23:50, 11 June 2007 (EDT)
==Sub-/Related Species==
What exactly is the logic behind which penguin enemies are listed as "sub-species" and which ones are "related species"? Why is Cooligan, for instance, a sub-species of penguin while Pendril is merely related? Is a Pendril somehow less of a penguin than a Cooligan? I'm confused :|--[[User:Vellidragon|vellidragon]] 17:07, 26 April 2010 (EDT)
:FourPaperHeroes has been adding speculative related species to speculative articles, like Penguin and [[Dragon]]. {{User:Reversinator/sig}}
::None of them is confirmed to be a sub-species. Should any penguin-like species really be included under "related species"? But anyway, isn't "related species" based on personal opinion? I could say that anything that resembles an octopus or squid is related to Blooper just because of their appearance. Do I have proof? No. --[[User:Grandy02|Grandy02]] 20:01, 7 June 2010 (UTC)


:Yeah, you tell him... Wait, there's a forum!?--[[User:Dreyfus2006|Dreyfus2006]] 00:37, 12 June 2007 (EDT)
== ... ==
::Yeah, [http://forum.mariowiki.com/ here]. {{User:Great Gonzo/sig}}
 
so the donkey kong game template is here but no info about them is on the actual article... do they really appear in the game?! please reply someone! [[User:Astro-Lanceur|:D]] ([[User talk:Astro-Lanceur|talk]]) 18:42, 7 November 2017 (EST)
:[[Penpen]]. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 18:43, 7 November 2017 (EST)
 
== Super Mario Bros Wii ==
 
Penguins are also in Super Mario Bros Wii, [https://youtu.be/oCD95Ccw2FY?t=322 | right]? And you can get a [[Penguin Suit]]. {{unsigned|71.198.17.92}}
:Those are [[Cooligan]]s. [[User:Blinker|Blinker]] ([[User talk:Blinker|talk]]) 10:21, February 1, 2025 (EST)
 
== Scope ==
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The information of non-SM64-codified penguins [https://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=Penguin&diff=1633473&oldid=1628726 was randomly removed] seemingly without proposal back in 2014. Since then, we have expanded the previously-arbitrarily-limited scope on various other articles, such as [[Peach's Castle]], while the generic subjects policy is being whittled down (see [[fish]] and [[tree]], for example). I think the original full scope should be restored, since just because a consistent design hadn't been established yet doesn't make those any less penguins than the ones in ''Galaxy'' or ''Odyssey'' (which themselves are quite different from one another). [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 18:48, March 30, 2025 (EDT)
:I agree. ''Mario''-ified or not, pinguini è pinguini. Let's have ''[[Special:Diff/3772388|Pinball]]'' back too. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 19:01, March 30, 2025 (EDT)
:: My best guess is that it's like stuff like [[worm]]. Most of the penguin appearances are generic and don't really have anything to do with gameplay. [[User:PrincessPeachFan|PrincessPeachFan]] ([[User talk:PrincessPeachFan|talk]]) 12:52, March 31, 2025 (EDT)
:::I get the idea, and would not be opposed to coverage of other penguins in some way, but I think the ''64'' penguin design is enough of an established and recurring element in the franchise that it warrants its own space. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 13:09, March 31, 2025 (EDT)
:::I think this article is best just covering the ''Mario'' penguins. Perhaps penguins as a generic animal could be covered elsewhere, but this is a very specific and recurring design in the ''Mario'' franchise and I personally would not want to see it diluted. - [[User:Nintendo101|Nintendo101]] ([[User talk:Nintendo101|talk]]) 18:14, March 31, 2025 (EDT)
::::Considering how different the ''Odyssey'' ones were, I don't see this as any different a situation than [[rabbit]]. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 20:21, March 31, 2025 (EDT)
:::::I do not think this is the same situation because the ''Odyssey'' penguin was designed with the ones from ''Super Mario 64'' and other games in mind, which we can assess just by looking at it, as well as from the developer's comments on its design in ''The Art of Super Mario Odyssey''. Rabbits are in a different situation in my view. They are typically unified by their gameplay function in a way that penguins are not, or at least not as often. - [[User:Nintendo101|Nintendo101]] ([[User talk:Nintendo101|talk]]) 21:55, March 31, 2025 (EDT)

Latest revision as of 21:55, March 31, 2025

Trivia[edit]

I don't think the part about them being related to Bumpties is needed... Mr. Guy the GuyPickle.png...E

The Adventures of SMB3[edit]

Shouldn't this be under a different section?
— The preceding unsigned comment was added by Fg (talk).

Sub-/Related Species[edit]

What exactly is the logic behind which penguin enemies are listed as "sub-species" and which ones are "related species"? Why is Cooligan, for instance, a sub-species of penguin while Pendril is merely related? Is a Pendril somehow less of a penguin than a Cooligan? I'm confused :|--vellidragon 17:07, 26 April 2010 (EDT)

FourPaperHeroes has been adding speculative related species to speculative articles, like Penguin and Dragon. Hello, I'm Time Turner.
None of them is confirmed to be a sub-species. Should any penguin-like species really be included under "related species"? But anyway, isn't "related species" based on personal opinion? I could say that anything that resembles an octopus or squid is related to Blooper just because of their appearance. Do I have proof? No. --Grandy02 20:01, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

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so the donkey kong game template is here but no info about them is on the actual article... do they really appear in the game?! please reply someone! :D (talk) 18:42, 7 November 2017 (EST)

Penpen. Alex95sig1.pngAlex95sig2.png 18:43, 7 November 2017 (EST)

Super Mario Bros Wii[edit]

Penguins are also in Super Mario Bros Wii, | right? And you can get a Penguin Suit.
— The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.198.17.92 (talk).

Those are Cooligans. Blinker (talk) 10:21, February 1, 2025 (EST)

Scope[edit]

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The information of non-SM64-codified penguins was randomly removed seemingly without proposal back in 2014. Since then, we have expanded the previously-arbitrarily-limited scope on various other articles, such as Peach's Castle, while the generic subjects policy is being whittled down (see fish and tree, for example). I think the original full scope should be restored, since just because a consistent design hadn't been established yet doesn't make those any less penguins than the ones in Galaxy or Odyssey (which themselves are quite different from one another). Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 18:48, March 30, 2025 (EDT)

I agree. Mario-ified or not, pinguini è pinguini. Let's have Pinball back too. LinkTheLefty (talk) 19:01, March 30, 2025 (EDT)
My best guess is that it's like stuff like worm. Most of the penguin appearances are generic and don't really have anything to do with gameplay. PrincessPeachFan (talk) 12:52, March 31, 2025 (EDT)
I get the idea, and would not be opposed to coverage of other penguins in some way, but I think the 64 penguin design is enough of an established and recurring element in the franchise that it warrants its own space. --Waluigi's head icon in Mario Kart 8 Deluxe. Too Bad! Waluigi Time! 13:09, March 31, 2025 (EDT)
I think this article is best just covering the Mario penguins. Perhaps penguins as a generic animal could be covered elsewhere, but this is a very specific and recurring design in the Mario franchise and I personally would not want to see it diluted. - Nintendo101 (talk) 18:14, March 31, 2025 (EDT)
Considering how different the Odyssey ones were, I don't see this as any different a situation than rabbit. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 20:21, March 31, 2025 (EDT)
I do not think this is the same situation because the Odyssey penguin was designed with the ones from Super Mario 64 and other games in mind, which we can assess just by looking at it, as well as from the developer's comments on its design in The Art of Super Mario Odyssey. Rabbits are in a different situation in my view. They are typically unified by their gameplay function in a way that penguins are not, or at least not as often. - Nintendo101 (talk) 21:55, March 31, 2025 (EDT)