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Would it be worth noting in a trivia section that these enemies have a resemblance to the [[Shadow Sirens]] and [[Shadow Queen]]? --[[User:Tykyle|Tykyle]] 23:26, 23 December 2007 (EST)
Would it be worth noting in a trivia section that these enemies have a resemblance to the [[Shadow Sirens]] and [[Shadow Queen]]? --[[User:Tykyle|Tykyle]] 23:26, 23 December 2007 (EST)
== Enemy? ==
Since the Shadow (species) page was deleted, shouldn't the (enemy) in the title of this one be removed? [[User:Chat Man|Chat Man]] ([[User talk:Chat Man|talk]]) 20:57, 29 October 2017 (EDT)
:Maybe...? Normally I'd say yes, but maybe the ''(enemy)'' part should stay to differentiate from [[Shadow the Hedgehog]] and [[Shadow the Dog]].
:{{User:Ultimate Mr. L/sig}} 21:06, 29 October 2017 (EDT)
True, but there is no other character blatantly named shadow, and we can always add a distinguish if necessary. [[User:Chat Man|Chat Man]] ([[User talk:Chat Man|talk]]) 21:11, 29 October 2017 (EDT)
::Makes sense to me. I think you can go ahead and move it.
::{{User:Ultimate Mr. L/sig}} 21:29, 29 October 2017 (EDT)
== Rename Shadow back to {{fake link|Shadow (enemy)}}, and rename either [[Shadow (character)]] or [[Shadow (disambiguation)]] to {{fake link|Shadow}} in its place ==
{{TPP}}
[[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/62#Change full names of crossover characters to the more often used shortened versions in article titles|One particular proposal]] has determined that crossover characters should have their article names shortened to their most commonly used name. This led to Shadow the Hedgehog's article to be renamed to [[Shadow (character)]], resulting in the awkward current position of this well-known ''Sonic the Hedgehog'' character that's been a playable character in a variety of Mario and Sonic crossover games, being given inferiority over... some random ''Super Mario RPG'' enemy.
That's like if the [[Peach]] redirect was one to [[Peach (item)]] instead of [[Princess Peach]]. I'm pretty sure someone would more likely look for the Sonic character that was in a bunch of Mario games, over an enemy from one game's early dungeon, when they search for "Shadow".
To be fair though, said game's gotten a remake a year ago, so it might be recent enough to be in someone's mind still, and there might be precedence against giving a crossover character the priority here. So I have two options:
#Give Shadow the Hedgehog the priority
#Give our "Shadow" [[Shadow (disambiguation)|disambiguation page]] the priority
In any case, the current "Shadow" article should be moved to "Shadow (enemy)" (or "Shadow (Super Mario RPG)" in case we get another enemy named "Shadow"), because I don't think this minor enemy should be prioritized ''over'' a major crossover character (but, I'm okay with the two entities being given ''equal'' priority), hence the inclusion of the second option
'''Proposer''': {{User|Arend}}<br>
'''Deadline''': January 6, 2025, 23:59 GMT
===Option 1: Move the SMRPG enemy to "Shadow (enemy)", move Shadow (character) to "Shadow"===
#{{User|Arend}} Per proposal.
===Option 2: Move the SMRPG enemy to "Shadow (enemy)", move Shadow (disambiguation) to "Shadow"===
#{{User|Arend}} Also per proposal.
#{{User|Hewer}} A little surprised this needs a proposal but sure, I support this. [[Red]] and [[Ninja]] are good examples for precedent.
#{{User|LittleLum}} Per proposal.
#{{User|Jdtendo}} If there's no clear-cut way to tell which of the two Shadows is the more prominent subject, we might as well make "{{fake link|Shadow}}" a disambiguation page.
#{{User|Rykitu}} Per all.
#{{User|Technetium}} I still think we should just focus on a proposal to unshorten the names, but sure why not on this. Especially since I assume Shadow the Hedgehog would need to be listed on the Shadow disambiguation page too.
#{{User|FanOfYoshi}} Rename back to Shadow the Hedgehog!
===Option 3: Keep the SMRPG enemy as "Shadow"===
===Comments (Shadow)===

Latest revision as of 17:16, December 25, 2024

Shadow Siren[edit]

Would it be worth noting in a trivia section that these enemies have a resemblance to the Shadow Sirens and Shadow Queen? --Tykyle 23:26, 23 December 2007 (EST)

Enemy?[edit]

Since the Shadow (species) page was deleted, shouldn't the (enemy) in the title of this one be removed? Chat Man (talk) 20:57, 29 October 2017 (EDT)

Maybe...? Normally I'd say yes, but maybe the (enemy) part should stay to differentiate from Shadow the Hedgehog and Shadow the Dog.
Ultimate Mr. L without the emblem behind him (for my signature) Ultimate Mr. L (Talk-Contribs-Stats) 21:06, 29 October 2017 (EDT)

True, but there is no other character blatantly named shadow, and we can always add a distinguish if necessary. Chat Man (talk) 21:11, 29 October 2017 (EDT)

Makes sense to me. I think you can go ahead and move it.
Ultimate Mr. L without the emblem behind him (for my signature) Ultimate Mr. L (Talk-Contribs-Stats) 21:29, 29 October 2017 (EDT)

Rename Shadow back to Shadow (enemy), and rename either Shadow (character) or Shadow (disambiguation) to Shadow in its place[edit]

Proposal.svg This talk page section contains an unresolved talk page proposal. Please try to help and resolve the issue by voting or leaving a comment.

Current time: Saturday, December 28, 2024, 03:13 GMT

One particular proposal has determined that crossover characters should have their article names shortened to their most commonly used name. This led to Shadow the Hedgehog's article to be renamed to Shadow (character), resulting in the awkward current position of this well-known Sonic the Hedgehog character that's been a playable character in a variety of Mario and Sonic crossover games, being given inferiority over... some random Super Mario RPG enemy.

That's like if the Peach redirect was one to Peach (item) instead of Princess Peach. I'm pretty sure someone would more likely look for the Sonic character that was in a bunch of Mario games, over an enemy from one game's early dungeon, when they search for "Shadow".

To be fair though, said game's gotten a remake a year ago, so it might be recent enough to be in someone's mind still, and there might be precedence against giving a crossover character the priority here. So I have two options:

  1. Give Shadow the Hedgehog the priority
  2. Give our "Shadow" disambiguation page the priority

In any case, the current "Shadow" article should be moved to "Shadow (enemy)" (or "Shadow (Super Mario RPG)" in case we get another enemy named "Shadow"), because I don't think this minor enemy should be prioritized over a major crossover character (but, I'm okay with the two entities being given equal priority), hence the inclusion of the second option

Proposer: Arend (talk)
Deadline: January 6, 2025, 23:59 GMT

Option 1: Move the SMRPG enemy to "Shadow (enemy)", move Shadow (character) to "Shadow"[edit]

  1. Arend (talk) Per proposal.

Option 2: Move the SMRPG enemy to "Shadow (enemy)", move Shadow (disambiguation) to "Shadow"[edit]

  1. Arend (talk) Also per proposal.
  2. Hewer (talk) A little surprised this needs a proposal but sure, I support this. Red and Ninja are good examples for precedent.
  3. LittleLum (talk) Per proposal.
  4. Jdtendo (talk) If there's no clear-cut way to tell which of the two Shadows is the more prominent subject, we might as well make "Shadow" a disambiguation page.
  5. Rykitu (talk) Per all.
  6. Technetium (talk) I still think we should just focus on a proposal to unshorten the names, but sure why not on this. Especially since I assume Shadow the Hedgehog would need to be listed on the Shadow disambiguation page too.
  7. FanOfYoshi (talk) Rename back to Shadow the Hedgehog!

Option 3: Keep the SMRPG enemy as "Shadow"[edit]

Comments (Shadow)[edit]