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'''Alternately colored''' doppelgangers of existing characters are used throughout the ''[[Super Mario (franchise)|Super Mario]]'' franchise for the purposes of multiplayer. These are not distinct characters, but simply copies created exclusively for gameplay reasons. evie please add detail
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==History==
==infobox testing corner==
{{Move infobox
|title=Jump
|image=[[File:SMBW Mario Jump.png|200px]]<br>Mario jumping
|first_appearance=''[[Donkey Kong (game)|Donkey Kong]]'' ([[List of games by date#1981|1981]])
|latest_appearance=''[[Super Mario Party Jamboree]]'' ([[List of games by date#2024|2024]])
|user=[[Mario]], [[Luigi]]
|effect=Jumps into the air for various purposes
|input={{button|A}}/{{button|B}} (most games)<br>{{button|wii|2}} (Horizontal [[Wii]] Remote)
|after=
|before=[[Double Jump (airborne)]]<br>[[Double Jump (consecutive)]]<br>[[Floating Jump]]<br>[[Flutter Jump]]<br>[[Ground Pound]]<br>[[Midair Spin]]<br>[[Scuttle]]<br>[[Piggyback Jump]]<br>[[Stomp]]<br>[[Tornado Jump (move)|Tornado Jump]]
|variant_of=
|variants=[[Backward Somersault]]<br>[[Cap Jump]]<br>[[Co-Star Super Jump]]<br>[[Crouching High Jump]]<br>[[Double Jump (airborne)]]<br>[[Double Jump (consecutive)]]<br>[[High Jump]]<br>[[High Jump (Mini Mario & Friends: amiibo Challenge)]]<br>[[Long Jump]]<br>[[Piggyback Jump]]<br>[[Side Somersault]]<br>[[Spin Jump]]<br>[[Spring Jump]]<br>[[Spring Jump (Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door)]]<br>[[Super Jump (Super Mario RPG)]]<br>[[Super jump (Super Paper Mario)]]<br>[[Super Whirl Jump]]<br>[[Triple Jump]]<br>[[Ultra Jump]]<br>[[Vaulting Jump]]<br>[[Wall Jump]]
|related=[[Hop (move)]]
|comparable=[[Burst]]<br>[[Vaulting]]
}}
{{br}}
==proposal draft corner==
===Consistently split major appearances of reocurring locations===
there are several reocurring locations in the Mario series that have a general article ([[Bowser's Castle]], [[Peach's Castle]], [[Yoshi's Island (location)|Yoshi's Island]], etcetera), and many of these have subpages that detail their appearances in specific games. however, i find the reasoning behind which appearances get their own pages and which don't to be quite inconsistent.


===''Mario Bros.'' series===
SMO's [[Mushroom Kingdom (Super Mario Odyssey)|Mushroom Kingdom]] gets its own page, as do a lot of peach and bowser's respective castles. however, SM64's Peach's Castle doesn't, and neither does PM64's Bowser's Castle. the most egregious example is [[Toad Town]], balancing several RPG appearances on top of one another and spreading the information about each across the whole article.
====''Mario Bros.''====
''[[Mario Bros. (game)|Mario Bros.]]'' features the debut of [[Luigi]] as [[Mario]]'s palette swap. Throughout his subsequent appearances across the ''Super Mario'' franchise, he would slowly start differentiating himself as his own character. should this be here? he was never just a recolor, he always had his own name


====''Mario Bros. (Game Boy Advance)''====
i think we need to define a consistent criteria for what does and doesn't warrant a split. personally, i want to suggest that we split '''every appearance that is on equal terms with other locations in the same game'''. just like how SMO's Mushroom Kingdom is just one of many kingdoms in the game and gets treated equally to the others, and Mario Golf's [[Yoshi's Island (golf course)]] is just one golf course out of many, every location that ''would'' be covered independently if it wasn't a recurring location should be split into its own page. does that make sense?
[[File:MB 4P Together.png|thumb|right|The player 3 and 4 Marios, both in the middle]]
The [[Game Boy Advance]] version of ''[[Mario Bros. (Game Boy Advance)]]'' features two Mario recolors for players 3 and 4. They wear yellow and blue hats and shirts respectively, as well as tan overalls. In a beta version they had different colors, ask TCRF about it


==Luigi Bros.==
this proposal does not affect locations with a single major appearance and several minor ones, such as [[Isle Delfino]] or [[Comet Observatory]]. i do have another proposal in mind for those, but i will write it another time


===''Donkey Kong'' series===
by my count, these pages would need to be created. it might seem like a big list, but most of it would just be copying over what is already in the base articles:
====''Donkey Kong Jr. Math''====
* [[Bowser's Castle]]:
''[[Donkey Kong Jr. Math]]'' features a pink-colored palette swap of [[Donkey Kong Jr.]], named "Junior (II)" in the game's manual, contrasting with Donkey Kong Jr. being referred to as "Junior (I)". He is playable in the modes Calculate A and B, where he and Donkey Kong Jr. compete to calculate Donkey Kong's number.
** {{Fake link|Bowser's Keep (Super Mario RPG)}}
** {{Fake link|Bowser's Castle (Paper Mario)}}
** {{Fake link|Bowser's Castle (Paper Mario: The Origami King)}}
** {{Fake link|Bowser's Castle (Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga)}}
** {{Fake link|Baby Bowser's Castle (Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time)}}
** {{Fake link|Bowser's Castle (Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story)}}
* [[Peach's Castle]]:
** {{Fake link|Peach's Castle (Super Mario RPG)}}
** {{Fake link|Mushroom Castle (Super Mario 64)}} (covering both the original and the remake)
** {{Fake link|Peach's Castle (Super Mario Odyssey)}} (in the same vein as other kingdom sub-locations like [[Wedding Hall]] and [[Peronza Plaza]])
** {{Fake link|Peach's Castle (Paper Mario)}}
** {{Fake link|Peach's Castle (Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time)}}
** {{Fake link|Peach's Castle (Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story)}}
** {{Fake link|Peach's Castle (Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam)}} (not familiar enough with the game to be 100% sure. input is welcome)
** {{Fake link|Peach's Castle (Mario + Rabbids Kingdom Battle)}} (same case as paper jam)
* [[Toad Town]]
** {{Fake link|Mushroom Kingdom (Super Mario RPG)}}
** {{Fake link|Toad Town (Paper Mario)}}
** {{Fake link|Toad Town (Paper Mario: The Origami King)}}
** {{Fake link|Toad Town (Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time)}}
** {{Fake link|Toad Town (Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story)}}
* [[Yoshi's Island (location)|Yoshi's Island]]
** {{Fake link|Yo'ster Isle (Super Mario RPG)}}
** {{Fake link|Yoshi's Island (Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time)}}


====''Donkey Kong 64''====
these are all the examples i could find, but i welcome suggestions for more.
Multiplayer side mode, see [[Donkey_Kong_64#Multiplayer]].


===''DK: King of Swing''===
'''Proposer''': {{User|EvieMaybe}}<br>
yeah this one has them too
'''Deadline''':


===''Golf''===
====Support: I like the idea of standardizing our split criteria AND I agree with your split criteria====
''[[Golf]]'' features Mario/Ossan and he's blue as P1 and red as P2.
#{{User|EvieMaybe}} per.


===''Wario's Woods''===
====Support: I like the idea of standardizing our split criteria BUT I do not agree with your split criteria====
''[[Wario's Woods]]'' has a green [[Toad (species)]] to be player 2 of [[Toad]]. does that count?


===''Super Smash Bros. series''===
====Oppose: I do not like the idea of standardizing our split criteria====
i am NOT writing this one right now


===Mario Golf===
====Comments====
64 has those cool-ass alternate colors


===Mario Tennis===
===Suffix all disambiguation articles with "(disambiguation)" and convert all the non-suffixed articles into redirects===
64 also has alternate colors
as it stands, the way disambiguation articles are handled in mariowiki is quite inconsistent. some of them are suffixed with "(disambiguation)", and some aren't. what is the [[MarioWiki:Naming#Shared_titles|official wiki policy]] for them?


===Mario Kart===
"If there are five or more pages sharing the same name, then a disambiguation page must be used, although it may be given a "(disambiguation)" qualifier if one of the articles has the plain title. For example, the article Bowser's Castle is about Bowser's home, whereas Bowser's Castle (disambiguation) also links to other uses of the name, such as the game board and baseball stadium. Game series articles always get a series identifier regardless of whether or not the title is shared, such as Mario Kart (series). When disambiguation pages are used, the articles should only link to them in {{about}} when necessary, but if a disambiguation page is not used, the articles can merely link to the other same-named page."
Super Circuit has the vs mode with colored yoshis and i think 7's vs mode has colored shy guys. do those count?


==''Luigi's Mansion'' series==
what are the problems with this?
scarescraper!
*it's needlessly complicated. why five exactly?
*it requires more active maintenance than it should. keeping track of if there's more than four pages with the same name


==''Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker (Nintendo Switch)''==
here's my proposed changes:
purple captain toad
 
*move every disambiguation page to a version of it suffixed with (disambiguation) (ie, moving [[Chuck]]'s contents to {{Fake link|Chuck (disambiguation)}})
*convert all the non-suffixed links into a redirect to the suffixed article (ie, turning [[Chuck]] into a redirect to {{Fake link|Chuck (disambiguation)}})
 
'''Proposer''': {{User|EvieMaybe}}<br>
'''Deadline''':
 
====Support====
#{{User|EvieMaybe}} per.
 
====Oppose====
 
====Comments====

Latest revision as of 20:06, November 4, 2024

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infobox testing corner

Jump
Mario jumping
Mario jumping
First appearance Donkey Kong (1981)
Latest appearance Super Mario Party Jamboree (2024)
Used by Mario, Luigi
Effect Jumps into the air for various purposes
Input method A Button/B Button (most games)
Two Button (Horizontal Wii Remote)
Performed before Double Jump (airborne)
Double Jump (consecutive)
Floating Jump
Flutter Jump
Ground Pound
Midair Spin
Scuttle
Piggyback Jump
Stomp
Tornado Jump
Variants
Related
Comparable

proposal draft corner

Consistently split major appearances of reocurring locations

there are several reocurring locations in the Mario series that have a general article (Bowser's Castle, Peach's Castle, Yoshi's Island, etcetera), and many of these have subpages that detail their appearances in specific games. however, i find the reasoning behind which appearances get their own pages and which don't to be quite inconsistent.

SMO's Mushroom Kingdom gets its own page, as do a lot of peach and bowser's respective castles. however, SM64's Peach's Castle doesn't, and neither does PM64's Bowser's Castle. the most egregious example is Toad Town, balancing several RPG appearances on top of one another and spreading the information about each across the whole article.

i think we need to define a consistent criteria for what does and doesn't warrant a split. personally, i want to suggest that we split every appearance that is on equal terms with other locations in the same game. just like how SMO's Mushroom Kingdom is just one of many kingdoms in the game and gets treated equally to the others, and Mario Golf's Yoshi's Island (golf course) is just one golf course out of many, every location that would be covered independently if it wasn't a recurring location should be split into its own page. does that make sense?

this proposal does not affect locations with a single major appearance and several minor ones, such as Isle Delfino or Comet Observatory. i do have another proposal in mind for those, but i will write it another time

by my count, these pages would need to be created. it might seem like a big list, but most of it would just be copying over what is already in the base articles:

  • Bowser's Castle:
    • Bowser's Keep (Super Mario RPG)
    • Bowser's Castle (Paper Mario)
    • Bowser's Castle (Paper Mario: The Origami King)
    • Bowser's Castle (Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga)
    • Baby Bowser's Castle (Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time)
    • Bowser's Castle (Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story)
  • Peach's Castle:
    • Peach's Castle (Super Mario RPG)
    • Mushroom Castle (Super Mario 64) (covering both the original and the remake)
    • Peach's Castle (Super Mario Odyssey) (in the same vein as other kingdom sub-locations like Wedding Hall and Peronza Plaza)
    • Peach's Castle (Paper Mario)
    • Peach's Castle (Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time)
    • Peach's Castle (Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story)
    • Peach's Castle (Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam) (not familiar enough with the game to be 100% sure. input is welcome)
    • Peach's Castle (Mario + Rabbids Kingdom Battle) (same case as paper jam)
  • Toad Town
    • Mushroom Kingdom (Super Mario RPG)
    • Toad Town (Paper Mario)
    • Toad Town (Paper Mario: The Origami King)
    • Toad Town (Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time)
    • Toad Town (Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story)
  • Yoshi's Island
    • Yo'ster Isle (Super Mario RPG)
    • Yoshi's Island (Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time)

these are all the examples i could find, but i welcome suggestions for more.

Proposer: EvieMaybe (talk)
Deadline:

Support: I like the idea of standardizing our split criteria AND I agree with your split criteria

  1. EvieMaybe (talk) per.

Support: I like the idea of standardizing our split criteria BUT I do not agree with your split criteria

Oppose: I do not like the idea of standardizing our split criteria

Comments

Suffix all disambiguation articles with "(disambiguation)" and convert all the non-suffixed articles into redirects

as it stands, the way disambiguation articles are handled in mariowiki is quite inconsistent. some of them are suffixed with "(disambiguation)", and some aren't. what is the official wiki policy for them?

"If there are five or more pages sharing the same name, then a disambiguation page must be used, although it may be given a "(disambiguation)" qualifier if one of the articles has the plain title. For example, the article Bowser's Castle is about Bowser's home, whereas Bowser's Castle (disambiguation) also links to other uses of the name, such as the game board and baseball stadium. Game series articles always get a series identifier regardless of whether or not the title is shared, such as Mario Kart (series). When disambiguation pages are used, the articles should only link to them in

This page is about {{{1}}}. when necessary, but if a disambiguation page is not used, the articles can merely link to the other same-named page."

what are the problems with this?

  • it's needlessly complicated. why five exactly?
  • it requires more active maintenance than it should. keeping track of if there's more than four pages with the same name

here's my proposed changes:

  • move every disambiguation page to a version of it suffixed with (disambiguation) (ie, moving Chuck's contents to Chuck (disambiguation))
  • convert all the non-suffixed links into a redirect to the suffixed article (ie, turning Chuck into a redirect to Chuck (disambiguation))

Proposer: EvieMaybe (talk)
Deadline:

Support

  1. EvieMaybe (talk) per.

Oppose

Comments