User:EvieMaybe/Sandbox

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Consistently split major appearances of reocurring locations

there are several reocurring locations in the Mario series that have a general article (Bowser's Castle, Peach's Castle, Yoshi's Island, etcetera), and many of these have subpages that detail their appearances in specific games. however, i find the reasoning behind which appearances get their own pages and which don't to be quite inconsistent.

SMO's Mushroom Kingdom gets its own page, as do a lot of peach and bowser's respective castles. however, SM64's Peach's Castle doesn't, and neither does PM64's Bowser's Castle. the most egregious example is Toad Town, balancing several RPG appearances on top of one another and spreading the information about each across the whole article.

i think we need to define a consistent criteria for what does and doesn't warrant a split. personally, i want to suggest that we split every appearance that is on equal terms with other locations in the same game. just like how SMO's Mushroom Kingdom is just one of many kingdoms in the game and gets treated equally to the others, and Mario Golf's Yoshi's Island (golf course) is just one golf course out of many, every location that would be covered independently if it wasn't a recurring location should be split into its own page. does that make sense?

this proposal does not affect locations with a single major appearance and several minor ones, such as Isle Delfino or Comet Observatory. i do have another proposal in mind for those, but i will write it another time

by my count, these pages would need to be created. it might seem like a big list, but most of it would just be copying over what is already in the base articles:

• Bowser's Castle:
  • Bowser's Keep (Super Mario RPG)
  • Bowser's Castle (Paper Mario)
  • Bowser's Castle (Paper Mario: The Origami King)
  • Bowser's Castle (Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga)
  • Baby Bowser's Castle (Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time)
  • Bowser's Castle (Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story)
• Peach's Castle:
  • Peach's Castle (Super Mario RPG)
  • Mushroom Castle (Super Mario 64) (covering both the original and the remake)
  • Peach's Castle (Super Mario Odyssey) (in the same vein as other kingdom sub-locations like Wedding Hall and Peronza Plaza)
  • Peach's Castle (Paper Mario)
  • Peach's Castle (Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time)
  • Peach's Castle (Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story)
  • Peach's Castle (Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam) (not familiar enough with the game to be 100% sure. input is welcome)
  • Peach's Castle (Mario + Rabbids Kingdom Battle) (same case as paper jam)
• Toad Town
  • Mushroom Kingdom (Super Mario RPG)
  • Toad Town (Paper Mario)
  • Toad Town (Paper Mario: The Origami King)
  • Toad Town (Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time)
  • Toad Town (Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story)
• Yoshi's Island
  • Yo'ster Isle (Super Mario RPG)
  • Yoshi's Island (Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time)

these are all the examples i could find, but i welcome suggestions for more.

Proposer: EvieMaybe (talk)
Deadline:

Support: I like the idea of standardizing our split criteria AND I agree with your split criteria

1. EvieMaybe (talk) per.

Suffix all disambiguation articles with "(disambiguation)" and convert all the non-suffixed articles into redirects

as it stands, the way disambiguation articles are handled in mariowiki is quite inconsistent. some of them are suffixed with "(disambiguation)", and some aren't. what is the official wiki policy for them?

"If there are five or more pages sharing the same name, then a disambiguation page must be used, although it may be given a "(disambiguation)" qualifier if one of the articles has the plain title. For example, the article Bowser's Castle is about Bowser's home, whereas Bowser's Castle (disambiguation) also links to other uses of the name, such as the game board and baseball stadium. Game series articles always get a series identifier regardless of whether or not the title is shared, such as Mario Kart (series). When disambiguation pages are used, the articles should only link to them in

This page is about {{{1}}}. when necessary, but if a disambiguation page is not used, the articles can merely link to the other same-named page."

what are the problems with this?

• it's needlessly complicated. why five exactly?
• it requires more active maintenance than it should. keeping track of if there's more than four pages with the same name

here's my proposed changes:

• move every disambiguation page to a version of it suffixed with (disambiguation) (ie, moving Chuck's contents to Chuck (disambiguation))
• convert all the non-suffixed links into a redirect to the suffixed article (ie, turning Chuck into a redirect to Chuck (disambiguation))

Proposer: EvieMaybe (talk)
Deadline:

Support

1. EvieMaybe (talk) per.

Create an article for secret exits and merge Goal Pole (secret) with both it and Goal Pole

Secret exits are undeniably a reoccurring concept in the Mario series. Every article for a level with one has a section discussing them. Other games have implemented them in direct reference to Mario (see: Shovel Knight: King of Cards). But rather than dedicating an article to them and covering the secret exits in each game and their different mechanics, we only talk about the secret exits in games that happen to use a red flagpole to denote them. Why?

Here's a list of games that feature secret exits, yet don't have red Goal Poles:

• Super Mario World
• Super Mario Land 2
• Puzzle & Dragons: Super Mario Bros. Edition
• Paper Mario: Sticker Star
• Paper Mario: Color Splash
• Wario Land: Super Mario Land 3
• Wario Land II
• Wario Land: Shake It! (featured as Secret Maps, but worth a mention when discussing the concept)
• Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze

Covering an abstract gameplay concept in its own article isn't that strange when you consider we have an article for Game Overs. As for Goal Pole (secret), I think just merging it with the main article and adding the foreigns names to a separate infobox at the bottom is the best course of action, but I've created options for those who disagree (and even for those who agree with the merge, but not the secret exit page).

If this proposal passes, my next proposal will be merging List of secret exit courses in Puzzle & Dragons: Super Mario Bros. Edition with it.

Proposer: EvieMaybe (talk)
Deadline:

Support: Create Secret exit article and merge Goal Pole (secret)

1. EvieMaybe (talk) primary choice.

Partial support: Create Secret exit article, do not merge Goal Pole (secret)

1. EvieMaybe (talk) secondary choice.