Talk:Beezley

Merge Bee (Wario Land II) here

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While both of these enemies have different Japanese and English names, both look nearly the same, are in the same series, and act nearly the same, (not to mention bee's English name is generic). This just seems to be the same enemy being renamed and receiving slight tweaks to its design.

Proposer: Doomhiker (talk)
Deadline: October 1, 2020, 23:59 GMT

Support

1. Doomhiker (talk) Per proposal.
2. Ray Trace (talk) Per proposal.
3. Koopa con Carne (talk) Per proposal. Beezleys and Wario Land II bees are identical in everything but name.

Oppose

1. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) Sure, and while we're at it, let's merge Bucket Head with Yukimaru, Watch with Bird, Cook with Doughnuteer, Ukiwani with Tobawani, Big Mouth with Utsuboankō, Bōtsu with Lava Bubble, Togemaru with Togemen, and Kobatto with Minicula! What I'm saying is there's a lot of "suspiciously similar substitution" in this series, and treating things as the same based on behavior and subjectively appearance alone (particularly when the only even remotely high-resolution version of the former looks significantly different) is ill-advised at best. Additionally, no other enemy in the game returns from a previous game (aside from potentially Denki, which is an obstacle), making this seem even more speculative (if not outright fanon).
2. Niiue (talk) Per Doc.
3. Archivist Toadette (talk) Per Doc.

Comments

You're absolutely certain this isn't the same case as Goomba and Goombo? ^(T|C) 16:56, September 17, 2020 (EDT)

Yes. First, bee's English name is generic, which is not the case for Goombos. Second, Goombos' design are more different from Goombas than bees are different from Beezlies. Finally, Nintendo Power apparently refered to Goombos as relatives of Goombas. I don't know if this is the case for bees. Doomhiker (talk) 17:01, September 17, 2020 (EDT)

@Doc von Schmeltwick: The enemy pairs you mention have a few quirks that differentiate between them, such as Big Mouth being stunnable unlike Utsuboankō, or Bōtsu being indestructible while Lava Bubbles are vulnerable to certain attacks. Even non-functional character design changes can be enough to make a distinction between two species, such as Cook and Doughnuteer, Goomba and Goombo, or Neek and Sneek. -- KOOPA CON CARNE 20:25, September 17, 2020 (EDT)

Lava Bubble had only been destroyable through Super Stars when Botsu appeared. Regardless, that doesn't change the fact that in the case of the bees, the former's boss-version sprite and the latter's artwork show significantly more difference than the small, non-detailed sprites, and the distinct lack of any other returning enemies makes this seem WAY too big of a "what if" for comfort. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 20:42, September 17, 2020 (EDT)

The Lava Bubble's vulnerability to Super Stars and appearance are enough to make them separate from Botsu. To address the bee conundrum, I'm not sure what the giant bee boss has to do with all this; it's easily distinguishable from the "minion" bees in both appearance, attack pattern, and the number of hits it takes to destroy. The Wario Land 4 beezleys, on the other hand, are pretty much identical; the only different features of "both" species are their names and the fact that one drops a coin when defeated, which is a trait that condition-inducing enemies in Wario Land 4 do not share in general. -- KOOPA CON CARNE 21:00, September 17, 2020 (EDT)