User talk:The Retro Gamer

Welcome, The Retro Gamer!

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"though it's somewhat ironic to welcome someone years after they joined, when they joined around the same time you did." Truth be told, I didn't actually look at your edit history when I gave you this message. I just noticed you made an edit and then gave you the template because that's what we did back then :P 23:12, 27 March 2018 (EDT)

I'm sorry if I poked you a bit with my edit summary. I just got a bit of amusement seeing this message on my user page years after I registered an account. Obviously, I haven't been very active on Super Mario Wiki (I spent most of my time editing on Donkey Kong Wiki while people were still active there), so it's understandable that you would add the template. --The Retro Gamer 09:02, 29 March 2018 (EDT)

Nothing to be sorry about, I find this funny myself. Sometime later, I did notice you registered years before, but by the time I noticed that, it was like "Well, too late now!" That's probably one of the reasons why we abandoned this template :D 11:00, 29 March 2018 (EDT)

Merging the wikis

Hello! I'm a supporter of DKWiki merging with Super Mario Wiki. At the suggestion of Alex95 (talk), I came here to point out some good articles from the DKWiki whose Mario Wiki counterparts would be significantly improved if they had the others' information: Bonus Level, Funky's Fishing and Crosshair Cranky. Just some help with the job. Many people agree with the proposal and there's currently no opposition. My question is, what's gonna happen to DKWiki articles that are equally as good as their MarioWiki counterparts? Would be a pity to delete them simply. -- -- KOOPA CON CARNE 11:28, 27 March 2018 (EDT)

I appreciate your input (as a side note, Crosshair Cranky was recently renovated by Atari Jaguar.)

In regards to the merging process, I am planning to systematically review all articles on DKWiki. After an article is reviewed on DKWiki, a review indicator will be applied to that article (either a template will be added or the page will be deleted; I haven't finalized the review marking method.) During that review process, many of the articles will have no new information or be identical (i.e. likely copied from Super Mario Wiki). These can be safely marked as reviewed. Another group of articles will have new information, or obviously improved formatting, and will be integrated into Super Mario Wiki's version of the article. For the rare case where the information is comparable, but the style is incompatible, a judgement call can be made on which style to retain. Most articles will not have this problem; the information and style of DKWiki is relatively comparable to Super Mario Wiki.

Hopefully that somewhat addresses your question. If you have any more questions, feel free to ask them. --The Retro Gamer 15:04, 27 March 2018 (EDT)

For the record...

For the record, as the guy who coloured it the way it is to match MarioWiki:Navigation templates, I was well aware that doing the CSS code directly in the DKC article was...less than efficient (one reason why the previous formatting is still on DKC 2/3, etc), especially since there doesn't seem to be a simple way to do odd/even rows within the page code except by doing each row manually [vs. (odd)/(even) in an external stylesheet]. So I support your efforts :) - Reboot (talk) 18:38, 15 April 2018 (EDT)

Thanks! I've been learning some CSS, and realized it had direct application here, so I just wanted to help. --The Retro Gamer 18:40, 15 April 2018 (EDT)

re: 2 questions

1: ayyyyy, just applied it to the css.

2: While making a proposal would be the "proper" thing to do, I guess, my opinion is that it would be an unnecessary delay. I doubt *anybody* would have strong feeling on the notion, especially given the prevalent opinion among the community that DKWiki was redundant, and any objection to content change resulting from the merger would be on a vase-by-case basis anyway. --Glowsquid (talk) 19:06, 15 April 2018 (EDT)

Okay. I've been considering the differences between the wikis, so nothing controversial will change without consensus here. People have already been trickling in from MarioWiki to support it anyway, so I agree that it's probably not problematic to merge at this point. --The Retro Gamer 19:16, 15 April 2018 (EDT)

Bot

Yeah, um, you can't have your own bot. Not sure how things are run and if you have one on the DKWiki, but here only Porplemontage is allowed to have a bot, or one officially created by the administrators (MarioWiki Bot (talk)). We have some policy pages on this, namely MarioWiki:Bots and MarioWiki:Blocking policy#Bots. However, you are able to request to a Bureaucrat to give you bot status for a time should large changes be needed. 21:55, 15 April 2018 (EDT)

Just saw you messaged Glowsquid about the account, so if he says something different that what I said here, follow that instead :P 22:02, 15 April 2018 (EDT)

(Edit conflict) Some merge tasks will require a bot, so I've (perhaps prematurely) registered an account for that purpose. Porplemontage does have a bot for template replacement, but that will be insufficient for merging. If it's a real problem, it can be disabled after the merge is complete, but it will be necessary in the near future. --The Retro Gamer 22:04, 15 April 2018 (EDT)

I'm not sure what you plan on using the bot for (likely to help with merge, I'm assuming), but if you need any large-scale maintenance done, you should talk to Porple and see if he'll configure his bot to do what you need one to do. 22:07, 15 April 2018 (EDT)

Yes, the bot would be solely for the merge. Porple could probably configure something, but from what I've seen of his bot's contributions here, it's mainly for find-and-replace. I have more specific needs than find-and-replace, like template modification, category additions. I'm not going to do anything without discussion first. Regardless, the point is currently moot, because there's not any immediate need for a bot until I have more specific plans outlined. --The Retro Gamer 22:15, 15 April 2018 (EDT)

re:Flagging an alternate account

I gave it the bot rank due to the unique circumstances but I have no way to manually set it as autoconfirmed. If push comes to shove it might be easier to ask porplemontage to program porplebot to do your bidding tbh.

I'd recommend starting a thread on our forum board for wiki projects to discuss the merger and identify point of contentions before going forward with a proposal. --Glowsquid (talk) 22:20, 15 April 2018 (EDT)

Porple also may be able to set it to autoconfirmed, or I can get the status the old-fashioned way (time and contribs; shouldn't be too hard). Thanks for the suggestion about the boards, I'll make a post there soonish. --The Retro Gamer 22:24, 15 April 2018 (EDT)

Photo Album

Um, you realize we do keep separate articles for official enemy classes, like Dudim Phreykunoutonthis as separate, right? You should split those all back. Either way, that's a large enough-scale change you should have run a proposal for that, period. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 00:03, 16 April 2018 (EDT)

"Large-scale" varies on the perspective, but I can run a proposal on it if you think it's controversial. You can easily revert my changes if you want to. I've said my piece: the groups aren't independently notable of the album, and it's more useful to redirect them to the album than to spaghetti them into stubbish and speculative pages. If this is a question of consistency, perhaps other enemy groups should be combined into "Enemy groups of Game name" articles --The Retro Gamer 00:08, 16 April 2018 (EDT)

It's not stub if it covers all necessary bases :T . The only reason we don't have one for the DK1 enemy classes is that the names are so overly-generic. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 00:11, 16 April 2018 (EDT)

Note I said "stubbish". --The Retro Gamer 00:18, 16 April 2018 (EDT)

Just for future reference, the outline for a talk page proposal is located on the MarioWiki:Proposals page in both the Basic proposal and support/oppose format and the Talk page proposals sections.
And just a suggestion, maybe go over our policy pages or ask before making major changes, as you seem to be having some trouble adjusting. I know you're just trying to get the merge with DKWiki to work as flawlessly as possible, but you also need to keep in mind how the Super Mario Wiki is handled. Most of us (all of us that has said something, anyway) support this merge and we're here to help you if you need it :) 00:47, 16 April 2018 (EDT)

The layout needs to be surrounded in <pre> tags for clarity, because I did copy it directly from the page. I'll try not to step on any more article modification landmines; I did check MarioWiki:Redirects prior to making the change, but it didn't cover turning pages into redirects, so I guess I should have realized that needed a talk page proposal. --The Retro Gamer 00:50, 16 April 2018 (EDT)

Pretty much everything in a game with a name gets an article (levels, NPCs, etc.). The only real exception to this so far I can think of has been Power Moon missions. How we went about the Power Moons was decided by a proposal, and it seems to be somewhat the same case here. Usually, a major change such as a page conversion is something that needs to be discussed first, especially when it goes against what has already been solidified.

"The layout needs to be surrounded in <pre> tags for clarity" What exactly needs this? Never mind.

And got your message as I was typing this: the {{TPP}} is there, it's just located in the talk page proposals section. It says to add the template to the top of your proposal, under the header. And I'm not sure on the time, that was decided before I was even registered. Might be a question for an admin that's been here longer than me. 01:07, 16 April 2018 (EDT)

Thanks for the clarification.

I guess "Pretty much everything in a game with a name gets an article (levels, NPCs, etc.)..." is a community norm? In my opinion, that's a dreadful norm that encourages stubbish articles which could be combined into more meaty, interesting articles. It's somewhat disconcerting that this wiki doesn't have Mariowiki:Notability. But DKWiki probably doesn't have it either. --The Retro Gamer 01:29, 16 April 2018 (EDT)

Further down on the main proposals page are where the main proposals are held, for things like major wiki-wide changes. The pre-writen code is meant to be the base for those proposals, with an explanation on how talk page proposals work coming next. An extra parameter, sure (it's only seven characters), but there's no need to write the whole code a second time on the same page.

The "everything gets a page" thing is so everything gets its own set of information. It would look terrible if all those infoboxes and Name in other languages charts were crammed onto one page. It also makes categorizing easier. 01:31, 16 April 2018 (EDT)

I have to sign off because it's getting late for me, but if you have any other questions, let me know and I'll get back to you when I log in tomorrow :) 01:33, 16 April 2018 (EDT)

Oh, no worries about signing off. Patience is the rule of wikis; without it, one will inevitably despair or be blocked.

I'm fine with everything getting its own information, but not everything needs an infobox. Names in other languages may have a point, but it can't take up too much space? Though I can see how it can be problematic if a named thing doesn't get more than a mention in the main article. Though, I'm not here to change Mariowiki policy, I'm just here to integrate articles (at the moment).

Regarding the proposal template, how about this proposed modification then:

===[Enter the proposal title here]===
[If it's a talk page proposal, include this template: {{TPP}}]

[Describe what issue this proposal is about and what changes you think should be made to improve how the wiki handles that issue]

'''Proposer''': {{User|[Enter your username here]}}<br>
'''Deadline''': [Insert a deadline here, 7 days after the proposal was created (14 for writing guidelines and talk page proposals), at 23:59 GMT, in the format: "August 8, 2011, 23:59 GMT"]

====Support====
#{{User|[Enter your username here]}} [Make a statement indicating that you support your proposal]

====Oppose====

====Comments====

With this version all the sentences are capitalized and it's clear the {{TPP}} needs to be added for talk page proposals (which are the majority of proposals). --The Retro Gamer 01:44, 16 April 2018 (EDT)

To be frank, you shouldn't make a proposal without reading the entirety of the page anyway. There is a separate section meant to describe how talk page proposals work, and there are additional steps that need to be taken for them that would just be a mess to have in the example. 12:20, 16 April 2018 (EDT)

re:Photo Album

MarioWiki:Proposals --Glowsquid (talk) 08:50, 16 April 2018 (EDT)

No, the main proposals page. --Glowsquid (talk) 09:38, 16 April 2018 (EDT)