Talk:Level

Doesn't Places already take care of a page like this? Basically, all places are levels in Mario games. -- Son of Suns

Good point

Good point. In this case, could you rename Stage 4-1: Jungle Hut just "Jungle Hut?"--Dreyfus2006 14:09, 2 August 2006 (EDT)

Hold on There

Levels are much different from places, though, and with the rebirth I'm giving to PP:LEV with {{levelbox}}, I think there should a list for Levels. Wa _T^C_@^Y 17:26, 3 January 2007 (EST)

Consider At Last, Bowser's Castle!, Ba-dum BUM!, The Goonie Coast Isn't Clear!. Definitely not places. "Endless World of Yoshis", "Items are Fun!", etc., I admit that some levels are places and should be placed as such, but some levels are not, and thus a Levels list is necessary. Wa _T^C_@^Y 21:04, 3 January 2007 (EST)

Why create individual pages for levels? Why can't we create levels and integrate (Word of the Day:) them by world? Huh?Knife (talk)

There needs to be articles for everything. ^Plumber 20:18, 5 May 2007 (EDT)

Singular

The title of this article should be "Level", right? Unfortunately I cannot move it. =) ♥♪!? 19:08, 19 July 2007 (EDT)

Why can't you move it?--Luigibros2 00:13, 22 November 2007 (EST)

Move to Course

Template:SettledTPP Template:ProposalOutcome It's been called "Course" in most Mario games except Super Mario Bros.: The Lost Levels and Super Mario Advance 4: Super Mario Bros. 3. Those and the Donkey Kong series are the only times it's been called level.

Besides, it says "Course Clear!" instead of "Level Clear!"

Proposer: YoshiCookie (talk)
Deadline: April 4, 2013, 23:59 GMT

Support

1. YoshiCookie (talk) Per above.

Oppose

1. Walkazo (talk) - Colloquially, pretty much everything talks about video games in terms of "worlds" and "levels" (in my experience). The fact that a game actual has "level" in its name also helps elevate that term above synonyms like "course" or "stage". Plus, unlike "level", "course" is often used to talk about Mario Kart tracks, and having two terms is useful when you don't want to lump these vastly different gameplay subjects together. It's largely semantics, yes, but it's better to use the more historic and popular term: there's no good reason to replace "level" now, not after years of having it ingrained into fabric of the wiki.
2. Tucayo (talk) - Per Walkazo.
3. King Pikante (talk) Per Walkazo.
4. BowserJunior (talk) Per Walkazo.
5. LeftyGreenMario (talk) Per the first vote. Create a redirect instead.
6. Mario4Ever (talk) Per LGM.

Comments

@Walkazo: I see your point, but aren't we supposed to use the most recent/common in-game term instead of the most popular term (don't get me wrong, I use level too, but if it's referred as that in games and instruction manuals?) Also, remember that the title "The Lost Levels" wasn't coined until Super Mario All-Stars. It's technically supposed to be called "Super Mario Bros. 2", so the European and American localizers likely added the subtitle to give it an alliterative name. This means that it has always been known as "course" in Japan, excepting the SMB3 remake. Also, the wiki has started to transition to "course" as seen in these articles. I agree about the Mario Kart thing, though. YoshiCookie (talk) 10:15, 10 December 2015 (EST)

In this case, I think the most used term makes the most sense. "Level" is much more precise than "Course" since "Course" can refer to more areas including Mario Kart tracks. And I don't know how you came to the conclusion that the result of localization means Japan has always used "course". I don't see how the wiki "started" to transition from "level" to "course" because both articles you mentioned are Super Mario 64 levels, and we had those articles for quite a long time. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 21:30, 22 March 2013 (EDT)

OK, you've got me. I'm deleting this proposal. YoshiCookie (talk)

RPGs

Almost all RPGs have the word "level" in them. I think we should add this to the page. Yoshi the SSM (talk) 16:08, 4 October 2016 (EDT)

Delete this page

Template:SettledTPP Template:ProposalOutcome Why do we even need this page? It just regurgitates information found on other pages, and really nothing beyond that. Therefore, I propose that we delete this page, or at the very least move the information somewhere else, such as the Glossary.

Proposer: Toadette the Achiever (talk)
Deadline: February 28, 2018, 23:59 GMT

Support

1. Toadette the Achiever (talk) Per proposal.
2. Wildgoosespeeder (talk) Turn it into a redirect to point to world.

Oppose

1. Alex95 (talk) - This is a term used in just for every game with a world progression, so no. It could use an overhaul, however, similar to how we have the world page. It and world would probably work better under MarioWiki:Glossary.
2. Time Turner (talk) I disagree with deleting the page entirely; I think that the information here is better on MarioWiki:Glossary.
3. TheFlameChomp (talk) Per all.

Comments

Could be a somewhat good page for ultra-newbies, but might possibly do better as a category redirect. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 16:23, 14 February 2018 (EST)

Exactly what I was thinking Ray Trace^(T|C) 19:14, 14 February 2018 (EST)

Wouldn't it be better as a section under MarioWiki:Glossary, then? Hello, I'm Time Turner. 19:34, 14 February 2018 (EST)

Goodness I've browsed this site since 2008-2009 and I didn't know that existed. Perhaps? Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 19:36, 14 February 2018 (EST)

Wouldn't World fit better under that as well? The two kinda go together. 19:37, 14 February 2018 (EST)

whynotboth.jpg have both a category and an entry in the glossary Ray Trace^(T|C) 19:40, 14 February 2018 (EST)

Yeah, I'm fine with both level and world being listed there. Hello, I'm Time Turner. 19:43, 14 February 2018 (EST)

The current world article is a nice overview, though.... Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 20:05, 14 February 2018 (EST)

Personally, I don't see the need for a gargantuan list of every world when the individual game pages do the job nicely. Who'd need to know every world that appears in Donkey Kong 64 and Super Mario Bros. 2 and Super Mario Galaxy 2 and Mario Party: The Top 100 and Yoshi's Woolly World at the same instant? Hello, I'm Time Turner. 20:54, 14 February 2018 (EST)

Same could be said about characters, species, or enemies. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 21:02, 14 February 2018 (EST)

However, the organization between the World page and the list pages are different, and all of the worlds are (or should be) included in the List of places, with the game that they appear in beside them. To be honest, I don't particularly care for those pages either, to be honest. Hello, I'm Time Turner. 21:04, 14 February 2018 (EST)

I see the value of having all the worlds in one big list. As opposed to keeping it in list of places where they are buried. Also what exactly is the harm of keeping world as it's own page. It's a gameplay mechanic (might be the wrong word) that's officially named and can be useful to a regular user for navigation. Chester Alan Arthur (talk)

Seems pretty similar to this in-progress page. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 21:18, 14 February 2018 (EST)

@Time Turner: Good point. I changed the proposal to reflect this. ^(T|C) 21:18, 14 February 2018 (EST)