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Okay, so I took a look at some of the levels of past Paper Mario games, and none of them feature the notes section of the level box describing the level briefly, so I didn't have anything else to compare this to, other than [[Marmalade Valley]] and [[Sunset Express]]. Those two fare just fine with a three word description, so I don't see why the same can't be done with [[Green Energy Plant]]. Actually, we need to decide what sort of information belongs there. Personally, I believe it would be fitting to describe the location, rather than the events of the level. If not, these notes may just be unnecessary. I'm kinda tired while typing this, so I'm not sure if I'm getting my point across or not.[[User:Eldritchdraaks|Eldritchdraaks]] ([[User talk:Eldritchdraaks|talk]]) 01:30, 3 November 2016 (EDT)
Okay, so I took a look at some of the levels of past Paper Mario games, and none of them feature the notes section of the level box describing the level briefly, so I didn't have anything else to compare this to, other than [[Marmalade Valley]] and [[Sunset Express]]. Those two fare just fine with a three word description, so I don't see why the same can't be done with [[Green Energy Plant]]. Actually, we need to decide what sort of information belongs there. Personally, I believe it would be fitting to describe the location, rather than the events of the level. If not, these notes may just be unnecessary. I'm kinda tired while typing this, so I'm not sure if I'm getting my point across or not.[[User:Eldritchdraaks|Eldritchdraaks]] ([[User talk:Eldritchdraaks|talk]]) 01:30, 3 November 2016 (EDT)
:Comparing the levels in ''Color Splash'' to locations from older ''PM'' games is comparing apples to oranges. "Notes" aren't compulsory, but isn't any reason to remove them if they're informative. Furthermore, I am rather confused by your line of logic. "''Super Mario Bros. 3''-themed sub-level" is a fragment, not a complete thought. Green Energy Plant itself is not the ''SMB3'' level, it contains one within it. Your version of the note does not clarify this. While we do try to avoid bloat, that doesn't mean the opposite is a good thing either. Clarity and completeness are far, ''far'' more important than the number of words being used. The examples you gave (Marmalade Valley and Sunset Express) are not good examples, those notes are basically filler and need to be rewritten (I might do that another time, but not now). Simply put, we do not shorten things just to make them shorter. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 01:51, 4 November 2016 (EDT)
:Comparing the levels in ''Color Splash'' to locations from older ''PM'' games is comparing apples to oranges. "Notes" aren't compulsory, but isn't any reason to remove them if they're informative. Furthermore, I am rather confused by your line of logic. "''Super Mario Bros. 3''-themed sub-level" is a fragment, not a complete thought. Green Energy Plant itself is not the ''SMB3'' level, it contains one within it. Your version of the note does not clarify this. While we do try to avoid bloat, that doesn't mean the opposite is a good thing either. Clarity and completeness are far, ''far'' more important than the number of words being used. The examples you gave (Marmalade Valley and Sunset Express) are not good examples; those need to be rewritten (I might do that another time, but not now). Simply put, we do not shorten things just to make them shorter. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 01:51, 4 November 2016 (EDT)

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Images

Sorry to bother, but could I ask for a source from the two images that you recently uploaded, File:PMTYDDarkbones.jpg and File:PMTTYD Dark Bones.png? It helps the wiki greatly if you specify how you came across the image, whether you extracted it directly from the game's files or pulled it from another website. Hello, I'm Time Turner. 23:18, 14 June 2016 (EDT)

I don't know, because all I did was take the already uploaded image and reupload it as a PNG so I could make its background transparent. The original file didn't give a source. If you want to know where it was from, ask the original uploader.
Dark BonesSig.png 23:27, 14 June 2016 (EDT)

Recent Uploads

I see you have been trying to fill in image gaps for Wario World with your recent uploads. Also good job labeling the uploads {{image-quality}} as a better source than YouTube videos should be used. Can you emulate, specifically Dolphin? If you can and have a physical copy of the game, you can use that instead. You will need to dump the disk contents using CleanRip to use it in Dolphin though. This requires a Wii with an SD card or external USB HDD with NTFS formatting with native GameCube support, as starting with Wii Family Edition, the compatibility was ripped out. --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) (Stats - Contribs) 17:11, 2 August 2016 (EDT)

Unfortunately, Dolphin doesn't work for me. Those Youtube screenshots are the best I can do. A lot of our Wario World screenshots are really bad, to the point where my uploads look good by comparison (see Battle Ring (object) for one of the worst examples). Dark BonesSig.png 17:58, 2 August 2016 (EDT)
Bummer! Any reason why? Error messages? Hangs? Crashes? Insufficient hardware requirements? --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) (Stats - Contribs) 21:28, 2 August 2016 (EDT)
Hardware requirements. Dark BonesSig.png 14:00, 3 August 2016 (EDT)

Linking Files

Insert a colon before the title of the file. It won't file link that way. Difference:

File:PM Mariothininking.PNG File:PM Mariothininking.PNG

That way you don't have to use Media:PM Mariothininking.PNG. --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) (Stats - Contribs) 18:46, 12 August 2016 (EDT)

Paper Mario Color Splash course links

I can see that you're trying to link up the courses based on how they connect on the World Map, correct? The way I was doing it was based on the logical level progression, which makes more sense. I want to discuss this instead of changing it back right away.Eldritchdraaks (talk) 18:57, 27 October 2016 (EDT)

Actually, scratch that. I'm going to change them back. Its confusing and the different paths you can take to or from each course are already mentioned on the page.Eldritchdraaks (talk) 19:18, 27 October 2016 (EDT)
Linking levels by how they connect to each other is standard practice for any game with a non-linear map layout. The order you access the levels is not set in stone; so the "logical level progression" thing doesn't work. Dark BonesSig.png 19:21, 27 October 2016 (EDT)
True, though Color Splash is actually fairly linear in its level progression. even though you can unlock Golden Coliseum and Redpepper Volcano after getting through Kiwano Temple, only Golden Coliseum can be played through next. That's just an example, though I'm sure you see my point. No one seemed to be against the way I ordered the http://www.mariowiki.com/Template:PMCS when I did.Eldritchdraaks (talk) 19:30, 27 October 2016 (EDT)
I want to come to an agreement on this, as I believe Color Splash is linear enough to warrant the way I did the links.Eldritchdraaks (talk) 20:08, 27 October 2016 (EDT)
It isn't linear enough. For instance, you had Cherry Lake linked to Indigo Underground. Not only does Cherry Lake not link to that level, there is nothing dictating that you play it next. You can get the blue Mini Paint Star and do Bloo Bay Beach instead. And since BBB links to Daffodil Peak, you can do that level before IU too. On the other hand, if you do choose to play IU first, it links to both Daffodil Peak and Bloo Bay Beach, depending on the star you get. Both of those levels are immediately playable upon being unlocked, so there's no designated order. Regarding Redpepper Volcano, even though you don't explore it proper until very late, the game forces you enter it early on anyway because there's a Rescue Squad Toad there you need to get past the Sacred Forest pipe.
Take a look at Wiggler's Tree House from Sticker Star, for example. It links forward to three different areas specifically for this reason. Dark BonesSig.png 20:53, 27 October 2016 (EDT)
Alright, I concede. In my play through, I went to The Crimson Tower right after Cherry Lake, and repainted the Bridge Master, which prompts me back to Port Prisma to get the Blue Mini Paint Star and unlocks IU. When then faced with where to go next, logically I went with IU as I just unlocked it. Then when you get the stars there that unlock BBB and DP, I went to BBB because it had already been unlocked before. I guess I didn't notice I had other choices at the time. Can you see how It'd make sense to go IU BBB DP now? However with RV, while that's true, everything was ordered by the order its properly explored, so RV would still remain in the same position. Other than that, I can see how your system works better now, but I think I'll try refining it once we can get icons of the other mini paint stars.Eldritchdraaks (talk) 22:31, 27 October 2016 (EDT)

Undead

You like undead characters too. Cool! My avatar is a Dry Bones you can check my Userpedia page to see it and tell me what you think. :) Sprite of Black Ninjakoopa, from Paper Mario. Sprite of Red Ninjakoopa, from Paper Mario. The RPG Gamer (talk) (edits) 22:10, 27 October 2016 (EDT)

Bloo Bay Beach path

I don't necessarily see the point in making this distinction:

"Collecting the Blue Mini Paint Star in Plum Park also leads to this level, but since it cannot be accessed without having completed Bloo Bay Beach, this path's only purpose is to serve as a shortcut on the world map."

The stars never unlock a course, only a new path leading to a course. Therefore the purpose of all paths are to serve as shortcuts on the world map. I'm not really opposed to this distinction, I just don't see why it's needed. Would you mind informing me?Eldritchdraaks (talk) 20:06, 30 October 2016 (EDT)

"The stars never unlock a course, only a new path leading to a course."
This is not true. The way you're wording this makes no sense; you make it sound like there is a way to access a course without opening a path to it, which is obviously false. That bit I added clarifies that the blue MPS in Plum Park does not unlock the course, it just opens up a path leading to it, since there is no way to actually access Plum Park without having completed Bloo Bay Beach. The original wording implied that Plum Park's blue star was an option for unlocking the level, which is misleading. Dark BonesSig.png 20:40, 30 October 2016 (EDT)
Ah, I see it now. What I'm trying to say is that every star will unlock a new path that leads to either a new course or an old course. For the course pages I worded it the way I did to make that distinction of the stars unlocking new paths. However, I see where It became misleading. Thank you.Eldritchdraaks (talk) 20:56, 30 October 2016 (EDT)

Course notes

Okay, so I took a look at some of the levels of past Paper Mario games, and none of them feature the notes section of the level box describing the level briefly, so I didn't have anything else to compare this to, other than Marmalade Valley and Sunset Express. Those two fare just fine with a three word description, so I don't see why the same can't be done with Green Energy Plant. Actually, we need to decide what sort of information belongs there. Personally, I believe it would be fitting to describe the location, rather than the events of the level. If not, these notes may just be unnecessary. I'm kinda tired while typing this, so I'm not sure if I'm getting my point across or not.Eldritchdraaks (talk) 01:30, 3 November 2016 (EDT)

Comparing the levels in Color Splash to locations from older PM games is comparing apples to oranges. "Notes" aren't compulsory, but isn't any reason to remove them if they're informative. Furthermore, I am rather confused by your line of logic. "Super Mario Bros. 3-themed sub-level" is a fragment, not a complete thought. Green Energy Plant itself is not the SMB3 level, it contains one within it. Your version of the note does not clarify this. While we do try to avoid bloat, that doesn't mean the opposite is a good thing either. Clarity and completeness are far, far more important than the number of words being used. The examples you gave (Marmalade Valley and Sunset Express) are not good examples; those need to be rewritten (I might do that another time, but not now). Simply put, we do not shorten things just to make them shorter. Dark BonesSig.png 01:51, 4 November 2016 (EDT)