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...isn't this similar to the PNG Images proposal that just happened? Or it could lead to the problem that it dealt with. {{User|Rise Up Above It}} | ...isn't this similar to the PNG Images proposal that just happened? Or it could lead to the problem that it dealt with. {{User|Rise Up Above It}} | ||
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===Delete the Following=== | |||
<span style="color:red;font-family:Comic Sans MS;font-size:150%">DO NOT DELETE 0-21</span> | |||
*[[MarioWiki:Autoconfirmed users]] | |||
*[[MarioWiki:Autopatrolled users]] | |||
*[[MarioWiki:Bots]] | |||
*[[MarioWiki:Bureaucrats]] | |||
*[[MarioWiki:Patrollers]] | |||
*[[MarioWiki:Proprietor]] | |||
*[[MarioWiki:Vandalism]] | |||
*[[MarioWiki:Users]] | |||
*[[MarioWiki:Trolls]] | |||
All these pages are rather hidden and very unneeded; for example, the troll page is unnecessary because users will figure out what is a troll if they never heard of one, I have. I stumble across all these pages when I typed down in the search "How can I be an admin?" and it was in a pile of search results, AFTER I tweak the search options a bit. | |||
I suggest to copy, paste, and alter the information into Userpedia. | |||
A few of those pages have a list of questions, so in this proposal, it proposes to move those questions to the FAQ page. | |||
A few of them have a link to the list of current admins, sysops, bureaucrats, etc. I propose to move those links into the welcome letter every user now gets for easy access just in case of a situation of sorts. | |||
'''Note:''' For all you opposers, what do you propose to do with these pages about the part that they are hidden? | |||
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'''Proposer:''' {{User|Zero777}}<br> | |||
'''Deadline:''' August 5, 2011, 23:59 GMT | |||
====Support==== | |||
====Oppose==== | |||
#{{User|Walkazo}} - All the pages have the potential to be informative (like [[MarioWiki:Autoconfirmed users]]). Why force people to dig through the FAQ when we can have specific pages they can go to? Having lots of pages link to the lists is better than just the Welcome letter, which some people never really pay much attention to (I've seen lots of people simply remove it). The wiki's policy pages are largely a work in progress: it's better to let the admins deal with them, rather than ''forcing'' things to happen with a Proposal. And whatever happens, linking to Userpedia for basic information about how the wiki is set up is a VERY bad idea: we're running the risk of dealing with fanon-strewn pages like [[userpedia:Sysop|this]], whereas we can ensure that our pages are professional and authoritative. | |||
#{{User|Goomba's Shoe15}} per Walkazo | |||
#{{User|Mario4Ever}} Per Walkazo. | |||
#{{User|Phoenix}} None of the above pages are really unneeded: they're there for a reason, and each one of them serves a purpose. If and when (new) users need information on certain things, it's important that we have pages where they can go to find out what they need to know quickly and easily. Saying that users will be able to figure something out on their own is not really a good reason to delete them. While that may be true for some, it may not necessarily be true for others, and a new user who may never have used a wiki before in their life shouldn't have to witness their talk page being mercilessly vandalized by a troll to figure out what one is if the same end result can be achieved by reading a page about trolls instead. | |||
#{{User|Superfiremario}} Per Walkazo and Phoenix. | |||
#{{User|M&SG}} - Those pages exist to help users know what their status abilities are. After all, if any user gets promoted to an administrator ranked status (Patroller, Sysop, Bureaucrat), that user has to follow ALL the rules, regardless of experience. | |||
#{{User|BoygeyMario}} Per All! | |||
#{{User|Bowser's luma}} I fear using my <sarcasm> thing twice in two minutes will be frowned upon, so I will just say Per all. | |||
#{{User|Lindsay151}} They're there for an exact reason. Per all | |||
#{{User|Super Mario Bros.}} – To quote somebody, "This is as ridiculous as the Mario Knockoffs proposal, per all." Also, '''stop suggesting we move things to Userpedia'''. That comment is directed at everybody. The Userpedia staff should be consulted on anything of that sort, and the suggestion is haphazardly thrown around without a bit of thought behind what Userpedia is going through, how much Userpedia is trying to fix up, and how ridiculous dumping stuff from here is. And we need these pages anyway, so yeah. | |||
#{{User|MrConcreteDonkey}} - Per all, mostly Walkazo and SMB. Userpedia isn't just a dump for this information. | |||
#{{User|Not Bugsy}} - Per all. You never know when a user might need these pages, so it's best to have these on hand. | |||
#{{User|Toad85}} - Per Walkazo, Phoenix, and SMB | |||
#{{User|Lakituthequick}} - Why should we? When I was new, these pages informed me really. Per all. | |||
#{{User|Mario Bros.!}} –Per absolutely everyone | |||
#{{User|Reddragon19k}} I'll agree! That's per all fifteen! | |||
#{{User|Smasher 101}} Per all. | |||
#{{User|MeritC}} Forgive me if I'm sounding crazy on this vote, but if this gets removed, it's going to do nothing but create a WHOLE LOT OF CONFUSION about which users belong to which group. The layout we have here is fine as it is. So IT DOES NOT NEED TO BE CHANGED. Period. | |||
#{{User|Mpeng}} I actually found some of those pages really useful when I made my account here a while ago. Don't fix something that's not broken. | |||
#{{User|Jjrapper100}} Those pages are useful for beginners you never know when you need it. | |||
#{{user|Mario12345}} per Jjapper100 | |||
====Comment==== | |||
Access to the current lists of patrollers and sysops is in the welcome message already. {{User|Mario4Ever}} | |||
:The deadline was wrong. Wrong day, wrong time. - {{User|Walkazo}} | |||
'''@Walkazo:''' The FAQ page isn't that big, so users can go there and see the question they are looking for if we put the correct title on it. As mentioned, the list is there in the welcome letter, but if it isn't there is no problem in doing so. If the staff really believe this is for the worst and will be ''unconstitutional'' for this proposal to pass, they can remove with a reason. And I suggested to move the words (copy and paste) in the page and move it to the respectful article. I checked out the articles and there won't be a problem because the info has been separated by paragraph that one can obviously tell which one is the real informative one and which paragraph is fanon. {{User|Zero777}} | |||
:They're not hidden. In the case of new users, they're easily accessible via the welcome message (which I'm sure doesn't get deleted at least without being read). Say a user wants to ask a sysop something. He or she clicks the link in the welcome message and is directed to a list of sysops. If he or she does not know what a sysop is, he or she clicks the word ''sysop'' next to the name of a user and is directed to MarioWiki:Administrators, from which most of the other pages can be accessed in the "See Also" section. Alternatively, a user can become familiar enough with one or more users to ask for any information that he or she cannot find on his or her own. It's better to let users ask for help than to force them to find such information such as is in these pages by coincidence and not understand it. {{User|Mario4Ever}} | |||
::You know that the MarioWiki:Admin page doesn't have a list of Sysops, it has a link which redirects to a list that look similar to a watchlist. And everyone else, stop saying that I am ''dumping'', like trash dumping, info into the Userpedia, the respectful articles are barely edit with and the info present in these pages can massively help those individual articles. But really, how can we ''advertise'' these pages more because I don't think the Welcome letter will cut it as Walkazo said. {{User|Zero777}} | |||
:::We can link to them whenever the terms come up on MarioWiki and Help pages, like how we link to articles on the wiki. For example, MW:Admins is linked to on this page and both the [[MarioWiki:Blocking Policy|blocking]] and [[MarioWiki:Warning Policy|warning]] policy pages (and the latter also links to the lists of Sysops and Patrollers, as does [[MarioWiki:Courtesy]]). Pertaining to your earlier comment, the questions are only extra content anyway: the main point of the pages is the information - information that users should not have to go to another website to find. Userpedia may be about the users of this wiki, but it is not officially affiliated with us and we do not, and should never, rely on it for anything, least of all administrative material. As for the prospect of the admins forcibly removing the proposal, we'd only do that as a last resort: as explained [[MarioWiki talk:Proposals#New Rule|here]], if something we're not keen on can still be voted down by the community as a whole, we'd rather let the proposal run its course and give ''everyone'' a chance to have their say. - {{User|Walkazo}} | |||
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Revision as of 19:01, August 5, 2011
Recipe ImagesLEAVE AS IS 3-7 I've noticed an inconcistency with the images for the recipes. You can even look now at many of them. Many of them are quite alike, but they are different to the others alike. This has caused not only constant headaches with users like myself, but also more work for every user to do. Just go to here and notice how each image is [[File:PaperMario Items <itemname>.png]] for the most part (as some are like .gif and .jpg). This is a great example - for the most part - of what I am talking about. Now go to here or here, and notice how many images are like [[File:<itemname> PM2.png/PNG]], [[File:<itemname>TTYD.png/PNG]], [[File:<nameitem>TTYD.png/PNG]], [[File:<itemnickname>.png/PNG]], [[File:<itemname> SPM.png/PNG]], and then even images for items that are used for more than one game because there isn't a image found! My point I'm trying to come across is that many of our pages have had major work done on them because of this inconsistency, as well as editing them now being a major pain-in-the-neck. Changing them to something that will work out for all of them ([[File:PaperMario Items <itemname>.png]], [[File:<itemname> PM2.png]], and [[File:<itemname> SPM.png]] are what the ideal file names would be), we'll be able to create these pages more efficently, as well as editing further pages be a lot more smoother and less time-consuming. As an example, this is more efficent way of making images easier, as the template already holds the key factors ([[File:PaperMario Items <itemname>.png]]) in it, which would allow the editor just to simply put in the item name. And for the pages that don't use that template, it will still allow easier editing since they would have to only put the key factors and the item name instead of looking up the image and copying it into a page. The downside to all of this is that many of the pages already having these mix-matched file names would need to be fixed and updated to the latest things. Hopefully it won't take much time, and I already have it planned to quickly update each page before it ends up as a project that will take more than a few days. If the proposal pass, I'll start immediately on working, and hopefully have some help to get it down. That is the only downside I can see to this passing afaik. Even if it takes some work, it is better to have consistency then have all this annoying work done if it could be much simplier. Template:Scrollbox Remove Staff PagesKEEP PAGES 2-16 The title explains it all. I feel that the staff pages for the games are not needed in the fact that they are not really about "Mario" himself. We talk about Mario here, not about the people who made the games. People who play the games can know who made the game and all of that kind of stuff. But when we're talking about Mario on the Super Mario Wiki, these staff pages have no business being created. Template:Scrollbox Merge all Donkey Kong sidebar lists with Mario listsMERGE DONKEY KONG LISTS 10-3 This proposal started off as a TPP, which I said the list of Donkey Kong bosses with the Mario bosses list. Goomba's Shoe15 than told me in the comments that we need to merge all other Donkey Kong lists to prevent inconsistency. I liked the idea, and then created this proposal. EDIT: Just to clear up some confusion, I mean the side bar lists such as, Games, Characters, Allies, etc. I don't want to merge the categories. Template:Scrollbox Remove Logos from Infobox TitlesREMOVE 17-4 Quite a few games have logos instead of plain text for their infobox titles, but seeing as the game boxart also contains the logo and is located directly beneath the title, all this really does is show us the exact same graphic twice. This is redundant, and it looks sloppy, especially when the logos are transparent and the background colour interferes with the words. It's also inconsistent, since most games just use good ol' fashioned text. Compare Mario Kart DS with Mario Kart: Double Dash!! - there's no question as to which one looks more professional, and by extension, which style we should use. Other games using the superfluous title-logos include Super Mario Sunshine, Super Mario Galaxy, all three Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games titles, Mario Party 8, Mario Kart Wii and both Super Smash Bros. Melee and Brawl, among others. Then you have the occasional character page with a title-logo, which is completely unnecessary. The only time it makes sense to have logos is for series pages, since a single boxart isn't adequately representative of all the games involved. Some example of this logo usage are Super Smash Bros. (series), Mario Party (series), and Mario Kart (series) (compare with Mario Kart DS), but even then, the logos are being used as the infobox images, not the titles. And, while the consoles don't really the logos in their images, the transparency issue is still a problem, and the inconsistency with other types of pages is also undesirable, so it'd be better of the logos were simply used elsewhere. In short, I propose we remove all instances where the logos are being used for the infobox titles. The logos can be put into the galleries (or incorporated into the body text, as is the case with the character and console pages), so nothing is being lost. Series pages with logos being used as their images will not be affected. Artwork Transparency IssuesREMOVE BAD TRANSPARENT IMAGES 25-20 During the past set of months, I've been noticing that a good number of JPEG artworks were being replaced by PNG artworks with transparent backgrounds. However, a lot of those images look quite ugly when they're viewed in backgrounds that aren't colored white. I've mentioned this dilemma at the admins boards, and some of the Sysops there do agree with my statement. I propose that any artworks with ugly-looking transparency has to lose the transparency. After all, we shouldn't be modifying the artworks by any means; if the artworks are JPEGs, upload them as JPEGs; if the PNG artworks don't have anything transparent, upload them that way. Update: To understand what's going on, please look here for examples of good transparency and bad transparency. Template:Scrollbox Merge the non-game lists on the side bar with the video game listsMERGE SIDEBAR LISTS 8-0 I find it very weird that this wiki considers the non-game elements canon but still keeps them separate on the side bar so i think we should merge the two lists together because if everything is official/canon than they should be on the same list. Because right now the two lists separates the game and non-game elements on these lists and i don't think we should do that. Plus we already merged all of the non-game categories so i think it only makes sense to merge the lists two Template:Scrollbox Reform MarioWiki:ProposalsLEAVE AS IS 11-20 As two old users, we jointly feel that the decision-making system pre-MarioWiki:Proposals was superior to the current system. The current system of MarioWiki:Proposals is based upon popularity contests. The previous system involved discussion on the Community Portal and Talk:Main page. This new proposal would restore any potential problems to be discussed on Talk:Main page, not with "support" and "oppose" columns, but genuine ”bona fide” arguments and discussion. When consensus has been reached, the fate of the "proposal" will be decided. This was the way the system worked before the infamous and perfidious troll A Link to the Past (talk) tricked Porplemontage (talk) and Wayoshi (talk) into creating the proposals (only after his disastrous MarioWiki:Peer Review scheme had failed; Proposals were made largely as a concession to his whining). If this measure passes, it shall go into force July 17, 2011, although any Proposals that still need to expire will be left to expire at their natural time. EDIT: MarioWiki:Proposals will still serve as the main place for talk page proposals. Many thanks to Goomba's Shoe15 (talk) for bringing that up. MLA FormatLEAVE AS IS 2-13 All articles should be written with the most updated version of MLA Format. This will help in the eternal preservation of always citing your sources. Cover Mario KnockoffsDON'T COVER 1-20 The Super Mario Wiki is a place where everything Mario should be covered. I have checked and we have done well. However, we have only covered the licensed things (as far as I know). The unlicensed things have not been touched. I am talking about knockoff games. Games like Mobario, the mobile "Mario" game for phones and the Great Giana Sisters, the peculiar platform game about two punk girls named Giana and Maria. Since we are the Mario wiki, we should cover everything Mario, licensed or not. Change the Gallery pages' names from "Gallery:(page name)" to "(page name)/Gallery"LEAVE AS IS 0-20 The Gallery pages will look better if are labeled as the glitches, beta elements and staff ones. They look different by their names. DK WikiLEAVE AS IS 7-44 Well, I think that there shouldn't be Donkey Kong things here. Why? Beacause its caled Super MARIO wiki, not Super MARIO AND DONKEY KONG Wiki! Right? Yeah, thats right! Another wiki could be made, and it just needs ALOT of copy and pasting. Here, look: New rule for imagesLEAVE AS IS 1-19 As you can see, the PNGs have better quality than JPGs. And I've seen some good quality PNG artwork get replaced with JPGs with worse quality & I think it's best to have images with the best possible quality. So I suggest that we add a new rule. The rule is that we don't allow PNG artwork to be converted to JPGs so that the quality of the images are better. Delete the FollowingDO NOT DELETE 0-21
All these pages are rather hidden and very unneeded; for example, the troll page is unnecessary because users will figure out what is a troll if they never heard of one, I have. I stumble across all these pages when I typed down in the search "How can I be an admin?" and it was in a pile of search results, AFTER I tweak the search options a bit. I suggest to copy, paste, and alter the information into Userpedia. A few of those pages have a list of questions, so in this proposal, it proposes to move those questions to the FAQ page. A few of them have a link to the list of current admins, sysops, bureaucrats, etc. I propose to move those links into the welcome letter every user now gets for easy access just in case of a situation of sorts. Note: For all you opposers, what do you propose to do with these pages about the part that they are hidden? |
