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| I know it's a major point of contention, but it's an objective fact that Japanese bios consistently list traits and appearances of what we call "Kamek" and "Magikoopa" interchangeably with no distinction whatsoever, so there's no real question on that front. I'll leave the SMRPG section as you had it for now, though, since that is more ambiguous. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 13:50, July 16, 2023 (EDT) | | I know it's a major point of contention, but it's an objective fact that Japanese bios consistently list traits and appearances of what we call "Kamek" and "Magikoopa" interchangeably with no distinction whatsoever, so there's no real question on that front. I'll leave the SMRPG section as you had it for now, though, since that is more ambiguous. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 13:50, July 16, 2023 (EDT) |
| :It is an objective fact that the same thing happens in the bios of other characters like Yoshi and Toad. That does not change the fact that all three of these characters are still considered distinct individuals within their species, regardless of region. "Kamek" the character has a specific role that does not apply to all "Kameks". --[[User:Seandwalsh|Seandwalsh]] ([[User talk:Seandwalsh|talk]]) 14:17, July 16, 2023 (EDT) | | :It is an objective fact that the same thing happens in the bios of other characters like Yoshi and Toad. That does not change the fact that all three of these characters are still considered distinct individuals within their species, regardless of region. "Kamek" the character has a specific role that does not apply to all "Kameks". [[User:Seandwalsh|Seandwalsh]] ([[User talk:Seandwalsh|talk]]) |
| ::In Japanese, more often than not ''none'' of those three are. Semantics and translation are weird like that. It's kind of like how Koopa Kid in old Mario Party games is a singular character except when he isn't (and I'm not talking about "split into colors" version, I'm talking about "all colored like Bowser" versions). Anyways, I think we've got it whittled down to a good compromise at this point. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 14:19, July 16, 2023 (EDT)
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| :::Yet all three remain objectively as individual characters, which is the point. --[[User:Seandwalsh|Seandwalsh]] ([[User talk:Seandwalsh|talk]]) 19:58, July 16, 2023 (EDT)
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| ::::Not consistently though. The "individual character names" have been used in reference to clearly different individuals; most notably is the blue colored "Toad" in SM3DW, while ''every'' color of Yoshi is treated as "Yoshi, the character!" by ''Yoshi's Story''{{'}}s manual, despite there being eight at once and all just hatching for that story; also, MKT's yellow-colored "Yoshi (kangaroo)" being treated as "Yoshi" and not "Yellow Yoshi." And those aren't the only examples, just the most blatant. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 20:29, July 16, 2023 (EDT)
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| :::::It is consistent. The Toad in ''Super Mario 3D World'' is "Toad", the green Yoshi in ''Yoshi’s Story'' is "Yoshi" the character. You just seem to have this penchant for homogenisation of characters that simply does not exist. --[[User:Seandwalsh|Seandwalsh]] ([[User talk:Seandwalsh|talk]]) 06:13, July 17, 2023 (EDT)
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| ::::::All Yoshis in Yoshi's Story are "Yoshi" the character. I'm just saying what the enclosed manual says. Are you saying the manual "does not exist?" Also, NSMBUDX did the same with calling the previous Blue Toad and Yellow Toad just "Toad," to the point they share a character slot. Does that "not exist" either? Nintendo has also repeatedly said that any given singular generic Yoshi is "Yoshi" the character, even if there are more around (in which case they are ''also'' "Yoshi" the character). Do Nintendo "not exist?" It seems to me more like you're simply ignoring evidence that does not fit your viewpoint. Anyways, I'm tired of this conversation. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 07:34, July 17, 2023 (EDT)
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