Editing Talk:Vine

==Vine==
I guess this is just the same as '''[[Vine]]'''? / [[User:Time Q|Time Q]] 10:39, 22 August 2007 (EDT)
:I Think so. {{User:Xzelion/Signature}}

==Um?==
Yeah. Um, where did the second image come from? {{User:CrystalYoshi/sig}} 14:30, 6 April 2008 (EDT)

==[[Piranha Plant]]?==
I'm wondering if the beanstalk in SMB3 - NSMBW is a type of piranha plant? (Not hurting [[Mario]]/[[Luigi]]/[[Blue Toad (character)|Yvan]] & [[Yellow Toad (character)|Wolley]]) 

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==Vine==
Should this article be moved to Vine, seeing as it's the most recent in-game name? {{User:TheDarkStar/sig}} 13:53, September 15, 2019 (EDT)
:Probably. Same may go for moving "Warp Pipe" to "Pipe", which is also more common and recent. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 14:11, September 16, 2019 (EDT)
::For what it's worth (if anything), I second both. [[User:AgentMuffin|AgentMuffin]] ([[User talk:AgentMuffin|talk]]) 01:35, September 17, 2019 (EDT)
:I still believe the article should be moved per the "If a subject's name has changed over time" step of [[Project:Naming]]. The object is called Vine in the ''Super Mario Maker'' games, suggesting that this is the current official name of the object from the 2D platformers. The only newer game that the article relates to this Vine is ''Luigi's Mansion 3'', and I haven't found an official name for this appearance.<br />Although I think this is a fairly clear-cut rename, and I've supported it here and raised the issue multiple times on the Discord server since September 2019, nothing has come of it. I recall no dissent, but no action, either, so I've become nervous to seek further consensus. If there was an expectation that someone steps up and moves the article themself, I don't have the permissions for this: the target page has revision history from 2007, before it became a redirect to this article.<br />I'm sorry if I come off as frustrated—I hold no ill will toward any party involved in this situation—but is there anything else I should do to try to get this discussed further or resolved at last? [[User:AgentMuffin|AgentMuffin]] ([[User talk:AgentMuffin|talk]]) 05:34, March 14, 2021 (EDT)
::If a discussion isn't gaining traction after a while you can always start a proposal about it, those typically get more attention than talk page discussions do. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 14:49, March 14, 2021 (EDT)
:::Should probably be moved to "Vine (climbable)" to allow for a page on swinging vines as well (which are currently in a weird place on the [[rope]] page I believe). [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 15:45, March 14, 2021 (EDT)
::::Well the swinging ones are technically climbable as well, but the beanstalk vine should take priority over it anyway. Agreed on the "Beanstalk"->"Vine" move; I think no one bothered to do it yet because it's a big page with many links, but if more recent games have been using that name, it should be moved. {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 00:16, March 15, 2021 (EDT)
:While the changes are being enacted, I'm also going to recommend changing the earliest appearance to ''Donkey Kong Jr.'', especially if the swinging vines are going to be restructured here. Both the [[:File:DKJ Instruction Banner.jpg|English]] and [[:File:DK Jr. Japanese Flyer Back.jpg|Japanese]] versions refer to them as vines as well (though sometimes the metallic objects in later levels are called chains), and they need coverage somewhere. They're even climbed a similar way in the original ''Super Mario Bros.'', as Mario/Luigi grabs the vine from the side like Donkey Kong Jr. did. They don't always come from blocks, after all. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 08:32, October 27, 2021 (EDT)
:Or, since the rope article seems to cover a very similar type of object under the "''Donkey Kong'' (Game Boy)" section, would it be better to cover the ''Donkey Kong Jr.'' vines and chains in that article instead? [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 12:12, November 12, 2021 (EST)

== Vine V3 ==

If they call them vines in [[Super Mario Maker|SMM]] and [[Super Mario Maker 2|SMM2]], shouldn't we rename this to vine? Besides, the vines in [[Super Mario Odyssey|SMO]] are CLEARLY not beanstalks, because they're grown from what appears to be some sort of nut or seed, not a [[Bean]]. The same thing going on with [[Talk:Warp Pipe|Pipe]]. In my (Clearly insignificant) opinion, the Super Mario Maker series has told us what [[Nintendo]] wants us to call stuff in the Super Mario series. [[Special:Contributions/106.69.172.127|106.69.172.127]] 03:57, May 25, 2023 (EDT)
:Late reply, but I definitely agree. Worth considering a proposal for this. [[User:BubbleRevolution|BubbleRevolution]] ([[User talk:BubbleRevolution|talk]]) 13:40, January 2, 2024 (EST)

== Finally move Beanstalk to Vine ==

{{TPP}}
It's basically common knowledge at this point that these leafy, climbable stalks are almost always referred to as "vines" in modern ''Mario'' games; their names in ''[[Super Mario Maker]]'' and its [[Super Mario Maker 2|sequel]] have basically cemented that. As the discussions above show, people have been discussing the idea of moving this article for almost ''five years'' now, with no dissent that I'm aware of. ...Though, since this is moving an article for a relatively widespread feature of the Mario franchise, it is probably best we vote on it in a proposal.

'''Proposer''': {{User|DrippingYellow}}<br>
'''Deadline''': April 11, 2024, 23:59 GMT

=== Support ===
#{{user|DrippingYellow}} Per progrowsal.
#{{user|Blinker}} Per proposal. Vinally.
#{{User|MegaBowser64}} Per proposal. It's about time we raise this name into the clouds.
#{{User|FanOfRosalina2007}} Per proposal. I don't have a pun, though... :(
#{{User|Camwoodstock}} Per all. This is way overdue.
#{{User|Nintendo101}} Overdue. (Perhaps moving "warp pipe" to "pipe" can be considered next.)
#{{User|Tails777}} This sounds like a vine idea (yes, I know Blinker already used a similar pun). Per proposal.
#{{User|Hewer}} This just leafs me confused how it took so long for a proposal about this to sprout.
#{{User|Scrooge200}} "Vine" is the most recent name, I think the ''Maker'' games used it too? Per proposal.
#{{User|Archivist Toadette}} "Vine" is indeed most recent. [[Perilous Vine Climb|I mean, if both main]] [[Vines in the Castle|''Super Mario Maker'' games use the name...]]
#{{User|ThePowerPlayer}} I'm surprised this hasn't been done yet.
#{{User|FanOfYoshi}} Considering Berry...
#{{User|JanMisali}} Per all. It's about time!

=== Oppose ===

=== Comments===
Can it be "vine (beanstalk)" or "vine (climbable)" to properly exclude the swinging vines (which are currently mostly awkwardly left on the [[rope]] article)? Or perhaps we should treat upwards and hanging vines as the same object, since some items on the page are currently a hanging-but-not-swingy type? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 16:01, March 28, 2024 (EDT)
:[https://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=File:SMG_Asset_Texture_Swing_Rope.png&diff=3688869&oldid=3688379 From what I have observed], I thought folks have already been directing all mentions of swinging vine objects to "Beanstalk". - [[User:Nintendo101|Nintendo101]] ([[User talk:Nintendo101|talk]]) 17:46, March 28, 2024 (EDT)
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 == Finally move Beanstalk to Vine ==
-{{Settled TPP}}
-{{Proposal outcome|passed|14-0|move}}
+{{TPP}}
 It's basically common knowledge at this point that these leafy, climbable stalks are almost always referred to as "vines" in modern ''Mario'' games; their names in ''[[Super Mario Maker]]'' and its [[Super Mario Maker 2|sequel]] have basically cemented that. As the discussions above show, people have been discussing the idea of moving this article for almost ''five years'' now, with no dissent that I'm aware of. ...Though, since this is moving an article for a relatively widespread feature of the Mario franchise, it is probably best we vote on it in a proposal.
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 #{{User|FanOfYoshi}} Considering Berry...
 #{{User|JanMisali}} Per all. It's about time!
-#{{User|Arend}} Vine by me- [[Vine with Me|wait...]]
 === Oppose ===
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 Can it be "vine (beanstalk)" or "vine (climbable)" to properly exclude the swinging vines (which are currently mostly awkwardly left on the [[rope]] article)? Or perhaps we should treat upwards and hanging vines as the same object, since some items on the page are currently a hanging-but-not-swingy type? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 16:01, March 28, 2024 (EDT)
 :[https://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=File:SMG_Asset_Texture_Swing_Rope.png&diff=3688869&oldid=3688379 From what I have observed], I thought folks have already been directing all mentions of swinging vine objects to "Beanstalk". - [[User:Nintendo101|Nintendo101]] ([[User talk:Nintendo101|talk]]) 17:46, March 28, 2024 (EDT)
-BTW, would we have to split the Sunflower from Yoshi's Island from this once the article's renamed? It's only been named a beanstalk in the 1995 Player's Guide, but has been called a flower or sunflower in more recent games, doesn't really ''look'' like a Vine, nor can be interacted as such (Yoshi has to hop from leaf to leaf as they were separate platforms, instead of climbing on the stalk as if it were a ladder). And what about that giant Beanstalk from ''New Super Mario Bros. U'' ([[Skyward Stalk|you know the one]]), or the Beanstalk from ''Yoshi's New Island'' (the one from [[Bouncy Beanstalk Walk]], that is)? {{User:Arend/sig}} 12:31, April 6, 2024 (EDT)
-==Names==
-{{talk}}
-We should do something with the one from Yoshi's island as the Yoshi's Island DS Nintendo Strategy Guide calls it a Sunflower, which counts as a new name. Also, are these still called beanstalks in the Super Mario RPG remake? If they are, we may have to move this back because of the recent in-game name. [[User:PrincessPeachFan|PrincessPeachFan]] ([[User talk:PrincessPeachFan|talk]]) 08:58, June 21, 2024 (EDT)