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| :::If this page is turning into a high traffic one (if that's what you call it) how about I get a [[Mariowiki:Administrators|Sysop]] to protect this page. {{User:Fawful's Minion/sig}} 01:01, 1 June 2016 (EDT) | | :::If this page is turning into a high traffic one (if that's what you call it) how about I get a [[Mariowiki:Administrators|Sysop]] to protect this page. {{User:Fawful's Minion/sig}} 01:01, 1 June 2016 (EDT) |
| ::::I don't think that's the problem, Fawful... {{User:Alex95/sig}} 01:03, 1 June 2016 (EDT) | | ::::I don't think that's the problem, Fawful... {{User:Alex95/sig}} 01:03, 1 June 2016 (EDT) |
| ::::Who said there was a traffic problem? And like I said, LOTS of Wikis I've visited have acknowledged when a level or stage is exceptionally difficult. The Zelda Wiki does it, the GTA Wiki does it. What makes it so different here? I'm not venting my anger or giving tips or strategies. I'm giving common knowledge that anyone would bring up. If I was venting my anger, it would be a lot more blatant. And if I was offering tips or strategies, I'd put them in the appropriate section and list what you're actually supposed to ''do'' to get around it. If it doesn't count as trivia, then don't revert it. Put it in the appropriate section, or ''add'' an appropriate section if it doesn't exist yet. [[User:EldritchNexus|EldritchNexus]] ([[User talk:EldritchNexus|talk]]) 01:23, 1 June 2016 (EDT) | | ::::Who said there was a traffic problem? And like I said, LOTS of Wikis I've visited have acknowledged when a level or stage is exceptionally difficult. The Zelda Wiki does it, the GTA Wiki does it. What makes it so different here? I'm not venting my anger or giving tips or strategies. I'm giving common knowledge that anyone would bring up. If I didn't make the edit, then someone else would. [[User:EldritchNexus|EldritchNexus]] ([[User talk:EldritchNexus|talk]]) 01:23, 1 June 2016 (EDT) |
| :::::Just because lots of wikis acknowledged the difficulty doesn't mean this wiki does. We follow our own rules and policies we set up, and we don't care how other wikis handle subjective information. As for the article, difficulty is mostly a subjective thing. Some players might find it difficult, others may not, some players play with different settings, others not. We're not going to go on a debate to state whether this minigame is easy or not, and collective opinion doesn't automatically mean it's the right or even the "superior" opinion. Just stating the facts is more professional that way, because those can't get argued with, whereas, stating the difficulty of the minigame ''can'' be argued and it would be a gigantic mess if we allow the debate of subjective opinions. It's better to leave all sorts of strategy off than on; we don't focus on it anyway, we only focus on providing the hard facts. And if someone else would make that edit, being ignorant of wiki policies, it would be quickly reverted like any other edit. This is just how wiki editors here work, who cares how many people add it back in because they don't care about wiki policies. This edit has no place here at all, and therefore, doesn't belong on this article anywhere. Oh and PS I've beaten the easy computers at this minigame, and with a crappy N64 controller, see, not everyone has the same experiences as you nor collective, popular opinion. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 01:32, 1 June 2016 (EDT)
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| :::::: But has anyone else had your luck? No? Then get off your high-horse and stop acting like your opinion is the only one that matters. Besides, how do we know you didn't cheat or hack the game? And if you ''did'' do it legit, how many tries was it, and how many times were you able to do it ''in a row''? If it's really so easy, you should be able to do it a dozen times non-stop. [[User:EldritchNexus|EldritchNexus]] ([[User talk:EldritchNexus|talk]]) 01:46, 1 June 2016 (EDT)
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| :::::::This debate is only proving my point on why we don't allow this on MarioWiki. I've never insinuated that my opinion is "better" than yours nor am I acting "elitist", my point is that people experience the game differently, people play through it differently, therefore, people get different opinions on the game. Is this minigame one of the worst minigames ever? Sure. Is it stupidly frustrating and hard? Definitely. Does this piece of "fact" belong here? Absolutely not. To make an analogy, Wikipedia doesn't call dictators like Hitler or Pol Pot the worst people in history because of common opinion, but they do list statistics and possibly official press opinion. If there was official press opinion of this minigame, it might get a spot on this article, but as for now, making statements about the general opinion of this game is bad, and flies against what we do in this wiki, so that's why your edit is considered a bad one. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 01:51, 1 June 2016 (EDT)
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| :::::::: Then we just need to remove the opinionated parts and merely acknowledge that the CPU is very broken; Even if you're on the side with two other computer-controlled players, the other side still pulls you just as easily as if you were all alone on the Bowser Suit side against the three computer players. Is it harder than any other mini-game? Maybe or maybe not, but it's not our place to judge. But you can't just ignore faulty AI, and I've seen enough of it in other parts of these games to know when a game is or isn't acting when it should. [[User:EldritchNexus|EldritchNexus]] ([[User talk:EldritchNexus|talk]]) 01:55, 1 June 2016 (EDT)
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| :::::::::The problem with that is that the faulty AI is difficult to detect properly. We don't know if the AI is intentionally programmed like this, or if it's a bug on their end. I'd rather not add information for an observation that is not 100% confirmed to be true. In my experiences with this minigame, I clearly remember killing the guy with the Bowser suit on Easy difficulty, and consistently as well. I could have been paired with another human, though. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 01:59, 1 June 2016 (EDT)
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