Editing Talk:Sheep

==Delete this page==
{{Settled TPP}}
{{Proposal outcome|canceled}}
How is this necessary? This is just a list of generic sheep with no actual purpose in any of the games they appear in, which I'm pretty sure violates [[MarioWiki:Generic subjects]].

'''Proposer''': {{User|Niiue}}<br>
'''Deadline''': August 26, 2017, 23:59 GMT<br>
'''Date withdrawn''': August 12, 2017, 11:20 GMT

===Support===
#{{User|Niiue}} Per proposal.

===Oppose===

===Comments===
While I agree sheep don't have any significant purpose in the games listed here, there are sheep in ''[[Super Mario Odyssey]]'', where they're found in [[Tostarena]] and might even serve a more important role this time around (if I recall correctly, one Tostarenan asks Mario to return his sheep to him). Would it be best to wait until the game's release to make this proposal? {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 07:01, 12 August 2017 (EDT)
:Didn't know about that, thanks for pointing that out. Yeah, I'll put this on hold until there's more info about their role in SMO. [[User:Niiue|Niiue]] ([[User talk:Niiue|talk]]) 07:18, 12 August 2017 (EDT)

== Herd up this article ==
{{Settled TPP}}
{{Proposal outcome|passed|8-3|clean up the article}}
"A bunch of generic sheep appear in certain games! Isn't that interesting?"

Yeah.

A lot of this article fails the [[MarioWiki:Generic subjects|generic subjects policy]]. We already have articles for "specialized sheep" such as the [[Lamb's Lure]], [[Sheep Attack]], [[Snooze Ewes]], [[Falling Asheep]], [[Shear Terror]], and the like. '''Really, the only "sheep" that serves a merit here are the sheep from ''[[Super Mario Odyssey]]'', as they are beings you can actually interact with and actually herd to obtain [[Power Moon]]s.''' None of the other sections should be allowed to stay.

So, shall we shear this article?

'''Proposer:''' {{User|Toadette the Achiever}}<br>
'''Deadline:''' December 4, 2018, 23:59 GMT

===Herd it up and then shear it===
#{{User|Toadette the Achiever}} I've got shearing scissors, why not use them?
#{{User|Waluigi Time}} Per proposal, this article is baaad.
#{{User|BBQ Turtle}} Per all of the bad sheep puns.
#{{User|Niiue}} Per all.
#{{User|TheFlameChomp}} Per proposal.
#{{User|Doomhiker}}The shear amount of padding in this article is Baaaffling (Such as with the [[Mario Party Advance]] section, where the [[Snooze Ewes]] page sums it up better) so I am supporting shearing up this article.
#{{User|bwburke94}} Per all. We don't need to cover every generic subject.
#{{User|GrainedCargo192}} Per all.

===Let it roam free===
#[[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) "Smithy, the resistance has been turning all our soldiers into '''sheep'''!" I think SMRPG should count; I also feel that the stampedes from the early PM games should count as well.
#{{User|WeirdDave13}} Changing vote, we should include the sheep from PM and SMRPG.
#{{User|FanOfYoshi}} Per all.

===Comments===
@Doc von Schmeltwick: I don't see what makes those two instances of sheep any more important than the other ones that would be cut with this proposal. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 19:49, 20 November 2018 (EST)
:After reading the article again, I suppose the SMRPG one could stay, but I don't think the PM ones need to. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 20:03, 20 November 2018 (EST)
:Even relating to items specifically, it's actual gameplay significance. To the idea of not having it, I give {{file link|SheepattackSMRPG.png|this face}}. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 20:17, 20 November 2018 (EST)
::The ''Paper Mario'' sheep doesn't need to be in the article if it's already covered at [[Sleepy Sheep]]. Likewise, the ''Super Mario RPG'' sheep doesn't need to be in the article either if the [[Lamb's Lure]] and [[Sheep Attack]] articles basically sum up the game's sheep appearances, which I'm pretty sure they do. {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 20:19, 20 November 2018 (EST)
:::Sleepy Sheep is an item that summons actual sheep; said sheep are not Sleepy Sheep themselves. Also, following that logic, [[Tweester]] shouldn't have a ''Mario Party'' section, since their role is essentially summed up in the [[Tweester Orb]] article. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 20:30, 20 November 2018 (EST)
::::Tweester is an entirely different pen. Because Tweesters are a species actually unique to the ''Mario'' franchise, the Tweester Orb is mentioned, but only briefly. What I'm saying is that, for example, a horse's appearance in ''Mario's Time Machine'' or ''Mobile Golf'' should not be documented just because there's [[Horse's Bit|an item]] used on it or it belongs to [[Bean (Mobile Golf)|Bean]], respectively. {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 20:54, 20 November 2018 (EST)
:::::I'm still not up to speed on why gameplay-intrinsic appearances in ''WarioWare'' microgames don't warrant mentions. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 21:46, 20 November 2018 (EST)
::::::You mean that we should remove sections from the article? --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 10:50, 4 December 2018 (EST)

== Mario RPG and Paper Mario ==
Do they worth be readded here? Not that i'm necessarily questioning the above proposal, but at least, they are relevant to the gameplay, unlike other generic sheeps. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 06:38, June 11, 2019 (EDT)
:They're not really that distinct from the items that summon them, imo. {{User:Niiue/sig}} 06:59, June 11, 2019 (EDT)
::How aren't they? --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 13:17, June 13, 2019 (EDT)
:::The above proposal caused a massive loss of important information, and these worth mentioning. You know what? [[MarioWiki:Generic subjects]] is dumb, and IIRC, {{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}} tried to make a proposal not to include living, moving things, which i'd have supported. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 02:43, June 17, 2019 (EDT)
::::They don't exist outside the items that summon them, making them functionally the same as, say, the ghost of Zess T. that shows up when you use a [[Zess Dynamite]]. {{User:Niiue/sig}} 03:03, June 17, 2019 (EDT)
:::::What about the Super Mario RPG ones? --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 03:19, June 17, 2019 (EDT)
::::::Forgot to mention: The Super Mario RPG ones are just people who got turned into sheeps. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 10:23, June 18, 2019 (EDT)

== Should pages that are not covered by this article link to this article? ==

A number of articles for topics that have sheep in them still link here, despite sheep content from those games being removed by a proposal above this section. (ex. [[Snooze Ewes]], [[Falling Asheep]]) Should those links be removed? [[User:Salmancer|Salmancer]] ([[User talk:Salmancer|talk]]) 18:14, August 17, 2024 (EDT)

== Help describing invisible walls in the Mushroom Kingdom ==

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There are definitely some invisible walls exclusive to Sheep in the [[Mushroom Kingdom (Super Mario Odyssey)]]. Only problem is, they're invisible and therefore really hard keep track of, let alone describe. (They could also exist on a per Sheep basis to ensure the player is moving toward the goal in the somewhat complex Mushroom Kingdom map, which makes the situation worse.) Could I have some help with this one? [[User:Salmancer|Salmancer]] ([[User talk:Salmancer|talk]]) 13:37, January 28, 2025 (EST)