Editing Talk:Poison Piranha Plant

==Putrid Piranha==
I'd like anyone who can to get the Shogakukan guide for this game so we can get a name for this enemy in Japanese, and see how it compares to [[Putrid Piranha]]. If it's the same, a merge may be in order. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 00:25, 27 October 2017 (EDT)
:There ''is'' such a thing as being overzealous with merging, and one name from one guide should not be the deciding factor. {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 01:06, 27 October 2017 (EDT)
::What's less viable about this (if the JP name is the same) that two [[Mega Mole|completely-different species of moles with different appearances and official names]]? Besides, The original Putrid Piranhas were just large, forward-facing regular-colored Piranhas. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 01:14, 27 October 2017 (EDT)
:::That situation is more complex than you're making it seem, and using it to justify this is shaky at best. {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 01:30, 27 October 2017 (EDT)
::::All I see is a lot of arbitrary bases. Either way, that's not the point of this discussion; the point is that we need to ''find out'' what this thing's Japanese name is, so a proposal can potentially be made if they happen to be the same. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 01:32, 27 October 2017 (EDT)
:::::Considering how your first comment concludes that merging the pages may be necessary, I don't see how it isn't relevant. {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 01:36, 27 October 2017 (EDT)
::::::I'm saying we'll cross that bridge when we get to it. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 01:37, 27 October 2017 (EDT)
:::::::And see, now we can see they have different names. So there won't be a proposal. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 22:35, 30 October 2017 (EDT)

== Merge with [[Putrid Piranha]] ==
{{Settled TPP}}
{{Proposal outcome|cancelled}}
Both piranha plants are based on the same idea: "Poisonous Piranha Plants."

They have the same Japanese name that indicates that they are the same.

Their biggest difference is that while a poison is liquid, the other is gaseous, but it's very minimal.

Finally, people use Viridi's dialogue in Smash as an argument, the same one who considers Petey a [[Petey Piranha|species]]? No thanks.

'''Proposer''': {{User|Sorbetti}}<br>
'''Deadline''': April 18, 2025, 23:59 GMT

====Merge(Support)====
#{{User|Sorbetti}} Per proposal.

====Keep Split(Oppose)====
#{{User|Nintendo101}} Though similar, these are different enemies, with different names from the people who created them, that have different means of attack, and were created by different studios over a decade apart from another. We would need Nintendo themselves to explicitly assert that Putrid Piranhas and Poison Piranha Plants are the same thing, similar to [[Frost Piranha]]s, but they have not done so in every opportunity given, including ''[[Super Smash Bros. Ultimate]]'', ''[[Mario Kart Live: Home Circuit]]'', [[Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door (Nintendo Switch)|''Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door'' on the Nintendo Switch]], or [[Mario Portal]], which is where Ice Piranha Plants in ''New Super Mario Bros. U'' were explicitly called "Frost Piranhas." In ''Ultimate'', a first-party Nintendo game, they explicitly asserted to be two different subjects in the dialogue written for Viridi, whether you personally think that is valid or not. At this point, I think lumping them together would be [https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/wishcasting wishcasting], rather than a reflection of what has been relayed in this media. Putrid Piranhas and Poison Piranha Plants are not the same ontological subjects.
#{{User|Blinker}} Per Nintendo101.

====Poison Comments====
{{@|Nintendo101}} 
You know, I made this proposal inspired by the Shark Chomp situation, which is the same. I would really like you to take a look at it, because the only reason I made this proposal was for that case.[[User:Sorbetti|Sorbetti]] ([[User talk:Sorbetti|talk]]) 10:28, April 4, 2025 (EDT)

===Addendum (proposal was canceled before I could comment===
Stating they have the same Japanese name is also false, because one is "Poison" (English word adapted to Japanese) and the other is "Doku" (Japanese word). [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 10:49, April 4, 2025 (EDT)