Editing Talk:Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door

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== There's a LOT of stuff to trim ==

1. The boss section is too long. Can be fixed by just naming the Bosses and mini bosses

2. The crystal stars and special moves do NOT have to be seperate sections. They can easily be one section. They also give too much information, seeing as how they each have their own page. 

3. Add the chapters sentence into the Story section.

4. I think the tattle should be its own section.

My 2 cents.

--[[User:Luigifan14|Luigifan14]] 19:42, 27 July 2006 (EDT)

Do it youself. Make your two cents go far. [[User:HK-47|<font size="4">H</font><font size="1">K</font>]]

Good Job.[[User:HK-47|<font size="4">H</font><font size="1">K</font>]]

{{user|Luigifan14}} i personally think the game does not need to be trimmed who cares if crystal stars and special moves are seprate

== Questions ==

How does the gameplay change when you play as Bowser? What are the controls when you play as him?
::It's played more like a side-scroller when you control Bowser, instead of an RPG.  Except in Poshley Heights [[User:Almighty Rajah|Almighty Rajah]] 17:03, 5 August 2006 (EDT)

== Featured Article Material ==

Do any of you think Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door is good enough to be a featured article?
:There should be a general paragraph on the story. Also, critical acclaim? Looks like each section is a bit short. This has been a good article for a long time &ndash; maybe I'll play the game over a 3rd time soon and make this my next game project. {{User:Wayoshi/sig}} 23:38, 5 February 2007 (EST)

== Madam Flurrie ==

"She can blow wind at enemies to make them dizzy and blow fake walls away, revealing secret passages. '''She also dreams of becoming an actress.'''"

Isn't she ''already'' an actress? I thought she said that she was tired of the stage and took a house-vacation, until Mario came along. {{User:Luigi hc/sig}}

That is true. She ''returns'' to the stage after her adventure with Mario. -- [[User: Son of Suns|Son of Suns]]

==Merge==
This should be merged with {{fake link|Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door/Chapters}}, I think. Who's with me? {{User:Plumber/sig}}
:I am. {{User:Wayoshi/sig}} 21:15, 26 April 2007 (EDT)

OK. Should we vote on it? {{User:Plumber/sig}}

Since no one else has responded, and it's unanimous, I'll merge it.
{{unsigned|Plumber}}

okay this page looks kinda messy now :(

{{User:Great Gonzo/sig}}

== Chapters ==

Shouldn't the Story and Chapter be taken out of this article, and be a moved to '''Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door (Chapters)'''. After all, our [[Paper Mario]] page doesn't have a story, instead there is a seperate page for the story titled [[Paper Mario (Chapters)]]. What do you guys think? {{User:Pokemon DP/sig}}

Actually, there used to be a chapter page for this page too, but it got merged into the article. I think that one needs to be merged too.{{User:Knife/sig}} 22:18, 27 June 2007 (EDT)

== Audience section ==

The audience section looks like it has been directly copied from the audience article, it even tries to link to the article itself and also mentions Super Paper Mario. I think it needs a rewrite. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 05:51, 29 December 2007 (EST)

== About the Similarities Section ==

The content of the Similarities section is good, but I noticed that heaps of the points say "in ''both'' games." There are 3 Paper Mario games...so I'm guessing that was written before Super Paper Mario came out. I would fix it, but I'm not exactly sure how to...I'd just stuff it up. Is that saying SPM doesn't count, just because it's half-platformer? That's unfair. Someone experienced should fix it.

{{User:Dom/sig}} '''No-one reads these article Talk pages...so, meh.'''
:I fixed that. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 13:08, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

someone should also add that in both paper mario and ttyd, fuzzies first appear in chapter 1
{{unsigned|Josephiav}}

== Bosses section ==

The Shadow Queen and Bonetail both have the Special Attack "Various Severely Dangerous Magic". I know we can't list everything here, but "dangerous" doesn't really sound like a good word here. It sounds like an opinion. I think we should replace it with something more neutral. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 17:46, 2 January 2009 (EST)

== Plot ==

I fixed the plot to be more neutral. Should I get rid of the rewrite template?13:25, 13 July 2009 (EDT) {{unsigned|Random User}}

==Fake Images or Official Artwork?==
While drifting through various pages related to Paper Mario 2 I noticed that there are articles with pictures that just... look wrong somehow. Characters with poses and facial expressions they actually never took during the game. I will make a list:

*[[Bub]] - What is with his eye?
*[[Businessman]] - See the article's talk page
*[[Cleftor]] - I remember his facial expression to look different, especially his eyes.
*[[Francesca]] - May just be taken during an unfortunate moment, but it looks strange.
*[[Frankie]] - He never does anything like that in the game iIrc, and it looks strange.
*[[Goldbob]] - His feet look misplaced.
*[[Green Fuzzy]] - See the article's talk page.
*[[Lucky]] - Same as Bub.
*[[Rocko]]/[[Vinny]]/[[Tony]] - Both of their arms are visible in the game, here it is only one of them.
*[[Toodles]] - I cannot recall her to blink like she does in the picture anywhere.

These are some of the articles with pictures I find strange. What do you think about this? Please leave your opinion. - {{User:Edofenrir/sig}} 16:49, 21 October 2009 (EDT)

A former user named {{user|Yoshi Mastar}} made these images in around 2006. He utilized the pieces from this [http://www.hocuspocus.taloncrossing.com/rii/pm2/ link], and attempted to recreate the image of the character himself. Unfortunately, since he left (presumably for other stuff), these images remain in the database. Should we renew the images with more clear detail anyway? -{{User:RAP/sig}} 01:34, 7 November 2009 (EST)
:Definitelly. Some of them are ok, but the other ones don't look that right. - {{User:Edofenrir/sig}} 01:37, 7 November 2009 (EST)
::So I'm guessing we should remove the mentioned pictures? --{{User|Garlic Man}}

== Goofs ==

There are a few translation errors in the game.

"You got a super boots"
"You got a ultra boots"

Also, the phantom sisters (or whatever) are referred to once as "male" due to their being male in the Japanese version.

[[User:PoisonMushroom|PoisonMushroom]] 05:57, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

I don't think so. Those two errors never happened to me, and they also were never referred to as male in the Us version.
{{User:Booderdash/sig|.}}

To learn more about this "male" topic, you can go to [[Vivian]]'s page
User:J-yoshi

: Here's one more mistake I found, but I'm not sure if I'm right. If you use Double Dip and discards the second item, the game will ask you, "Don't use this item? (Yes/No)", and Yes means to discard the item while No means to use one. My English teacher said that No means "don't do the thing", not "do the opposite of what you say". [[User:Another gossip-loving Toad|Another gossip-loving Toad]] ([[User talk:Another gossip-loving Toad|talk]]) 22:08, 17 January 2015 (EST)

== Gallery ==

Why doesn't the page have a full gallery? There's only the Japanese boxart and two scenes. Most major characters in this game have artwork, so we should probably have a gallery with all those artworks. {{User:CrystalYoshi/sig}} 15:27, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

== Boss section ==
the boss section kinda got screwed up. Could somebody revert the page to the state from the 25th januar? for some reason I can't edit the page. [[User:Poseidome|Poseidome]] 11:46, 3 February 2011 (EST)
:Done. You couldn't edit it because you aren't autoconfirmed, probably. {{[[User:Yoshiwaker47|Yoshiwaker47]]}} 13:20, 3 February 2011 (EST)

== I think there's something not right.... ==

Peeka does not have bunny ears! This need to be corrected! She has cat ears also. 
[[User:SuperPaperFan|SuperPaperFan]]

Your right Lahla is the shopkeeper of the westside goods for the American version. I believe each version is different. I am not sure what version that maybe.{{User:YoshiGo99/sig}}
==um==
Why can't I edit the article? [[User:Kartsy|Kartsy]] 19:03, 29 April 2012 (EDT)
:This page has been semi-protected so that only autoconfirmed users can edit it, and since you only joined yesterday, you're not autoconfirmed yet. To become autoconfirmed, you need to be a member of this wiki for at least one week and you need to make at least ten edits. Then you should be able to edit this page. {{User:Mariomario64/Sig}} 20:29, 29 April 2012 (EDT)
::ok. [[User:Kartsy|Kartsy]] 20:53, 30 April 2012 (EDT)

== I will make this a Featured Article! ==

It need some work, but it is almost done, someone should help me and check the grammer.

Please.

{{User:Megadardery/sig}}

:I did the opening to the first chapter. There was a lot of comma splices like this "blach blah did this, and wanted something". You use commas to separate two clauses, like a semicolon. But yeah, I'll continue working on it later. {{User:BabyLuigiOnFire/sig}}

== IMPORTANT read before changing this page back ==
{{user:megadardery/sig}}
Items section should be deleted as if [[Paper Mario]] does not have this section. If one wants this he should copy it from here and continues it before posting it again OK?

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*[[Super Luigi series#Super Luigi Volume 4: The Shards of Truth|Super Luigi 4]]
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== Emerald Star Owner ==

Wasn't it originally owned by the puni elder?

Nope,
They were guarding it, but nobody had been down to the room in years, since at least before the current puni elder came to power.


== Incorrect? ==

The glitches section mistaken calls the emblem badges (Which alter your appearance to look like Luigi, Wario, and Waluigi) a glitch, while in reality, they were an intended part of the game (Evidenced by the trouble you can only complete while wearing the L emblem badge.)
As I don't have an account, or for that matter, editing privileges, I thought I'd bring it to attention to be fixed.
Really, the whole glitch section could be expanded on and cleaned up, because it leaves much to be desired.

== Create a article for each Paper Mario chapters ==
{{SettledTPP}}
<span style="color:red;font-family:Comic Sans MS;font-size:150%">DON'T CREATE 4-9</span>

I think each Chapter from Paper Mario need their own article, because, they are too short describe on the page of their game. We should set up a page for each chapter that would be much more detailed with the places visited, the enemies/bosses encountered and important characters in history. We should do this for Paper Mario and Super Paper Mario, too. So, why not? 

'''Proposer''': {{User|LudwigVon}}<br>
'''Deadline''': April 14th, 2015 at 23:59 GMT.

====Support====
#{{User|LudwigVon}} Per my proposal
#{{User|Binarystep}} Per LudwigVon.
#{{User|Toadbrigade5}} Yeah, the Story section is kinda cluttered too. Per
#{{User|Marioluigikid}} This sounds REALLY nesacery (Sorry, I cant spell XD). Per in all favor!

====Oppose====
#{{User|SuperYoshiBros}} I don't think it's necessary. Besides, if we make it any longer it will probably start to sound like a walkthrough.
#{{User|Tails777}} The idea of levels and chapters are pretty different. Paper Mario: Sticker Star and Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon are more similar to levels in mainstream games (games like Super Mario World or New Super Mario Bros. for example) while Paper Mario and Paper Mario: TTYD's chapters are simply meant to split the overall long storyline into sections. Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon, while it did have a story, it was more mission based as with Sticker Star (if Sticker Star's "storyline" is even considered one). In short; Paper Mario/TTYD's chapter system is different when compared to Dark Moon/Sticker Star's mission system and the chapters aren't really considered levels.
#{{User|SmokedChili}} Per all.
#{{User|Walkazo}} - Per Time Turner. Having separate chapters will likely users to wrote long, crufty [[MarioWiki:Good writing#Summaries that aren't|summaries that aren't]], which we don't want even if they avoid walkthrough-style writing. The overviews of the main plot points on the game page are enough, with the specifics about the storylines found on the relevant character and location pages instead. Or, in SPM's case, into level pages, with the existing chapter-equivalent location pages like [[Lineland]] mainly serving as hubs, as they should, since going over the plot three times (the game page, a world/chapter/etc. page and the specific locations/level pages - plus character bios) would be very redundant.
#{{User|Stonehill}} Per all, especially Walkazo.
#{{User|Yoshi876}} Per Walkazo.
#{{User|Burningdragon25}} Per all on this case! I like it stood as a story!
#{{User|Viper26}} Per Walkazo.
#{{User|Lumastar}} Per all.

====Comments====
SuperYoshiBros, the wiki have a page for each level of Paper Mario: Sticker Star, each level of Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon. Since, chapters from Paper Mario and it's two first sequels works like level, we need a article for each.--{{User:LudwigVon/sig}}  19:53, 31 March 2015 (EDT)
:Not really. We already have the summaries on the game pages, and each location has its own page. If you can tell me what these chapter pages would add to the wiki that we don't already have, I may reconsider. --{{User:SuperYoshiBros/sig}} 21:07, 31 March 2015 (EDT)

There are plenty of other games that have stories as well, like ''[[Paper Mario]]'' or ''[[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]]''. Making a proposal for just this and not the other ones is far too inconsistent. {{User:Time Turner/sig}}
:If you read my comment above about the proposal, it say (maybe not clearly) that I will also do it for Paper Mario and Super Paper Mario.--{{User:LudwigVon/sig}}  15:38, 1 April 2015 (EDT)

== Misprint in the Insert! ==

The name of the very first special move (the one you get from the actual map) is Sweet Treat, but the manual/insert in my case calls it "Tasty Treat"

Just thought I'd share that information :)

== Characters and locations ==

I have a small suggestion is that we could add the characters encountered in the game in each of the items that correspond to locations in the game? It would be convenient. Some of the locations articles of this game miss it.--{{User:LudwigVon/sig}}  14:40, 12 November 2015 (EST)
:Elaborate? Example? {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 16:14, 12 November 2015 (EST)
::Sorry for the late edit, but I just look a it today. Well, by example, I look at Rogueport Sewers article and I found it not completed, because we cannot see the characters we can encountered in the sewers and It's really annoying, because I always need to check in the template to the end of the page and It's hard to find them. Je vais l'expliquer en français, je trouve que certains articles de ce jeu manque un peu d'informations, comme celles des personnages que nous pouvons rencontrer dans le jeu dans certains endroits et je trouve que c'est un peu ennuyant de devoir toujours aller voir dans le "template" en bas de la page pour retrouver le nom des personnages que je peux retrouver dans certains endroits comme celle du sous-sol de Port-Lacanaïe (Rogueport Sewers) et je m'y perd souvent.--{{User:LudwigVon/sig}}  17:18, 28 November 2015 (EST)

== korean version ==

is there one, actually? a korean title was added [http://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=Paper_Mario:_The_Thousand-Year_Door&diff=878704&oldid=873686 here], but
1. i can't find any evidence of a korean release, anywhere, and 2. the korean wikipedia article on ttyd [https://ko.wikipedia.org/wiki/%ED%8E%98%EC%9D%B4%ED%8D%BC_%EB%A7%88%EB%A6%AC%EC%98%A4_RPG isn't even under that title] {{User:Twentytwofiftyseven/sig}} 23:39, 19 April 2016 (EDT)

== The Book in the Intro ==
{{talk}}
Does the red book in [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8HxEVtxiSI the intro] have an article, gallery (similar to [[Gallery:Rosalina's Storybook]]), or other sort of main reference anywhere on MarioWiki, similarly to the [[Dark Prognosticus]] and [[Light Prognosticus]]? There's images in [https://www.spriters-resource.com/fullview/26958 this sprite sheet] that I don't see anywhere in [[:Category:{{BASEPAGENAME}} Images]] or [[Gallery:{{BASEPAGENAME}}]]. --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 21:43, 16 November 2016 (EST)

== Regional differences - incorrect language regarding Vivian ==

It should be "a cisgender girl instead of a transgender girl" instead of "a cisgender female instead of a male-to-female gender dysphoriac" with links to the cisgender and transgender wikipedia pages each of those words
{{unsigned|Clockwork erin}}
:Transgender and gender dysphor'''ic''' are synonyms, though, regardless of what some people say. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 02:13, 5 November 2018 (EST)
::I disagree. Transgender means the person identifies as the gender "opposite" to their birth sex (i.e. a person or was born male but identifies as a woman ''or'' who was born female but identifies as a man) ''whereas'' gender dysphoria refers specifically to the distress that ''may'' arise due to not identifying as cisgender.

::Sources: "Gender dysphoria (GD) is the distress a person feels due to their birth-assigned sex and gender not matching their gender identity. People who experience gender dysphoria are typically transgender." - [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_dysphoria|Wikipedia]

::[[User:MiracleDinner|MiracleDinner]] ([[User talk:MiracleDinner|talk]]) 05:57, July 27, 2019 (EDT)

:This is another old, long-abandoned discussion, as indicated by the date of "November 2018". --{{User:Lord Grammaticus/sig}} 06:47, July 27, 2019 (EDT)

::What do you suggest as the limit to how old a thread should be before I avoid contributing? [[User:MiracleDinner|MiracleDinner]] ([[User talk:MiracleDinner|talk]]) 06:55, July 27, 2019 (EDT)

:::Probably anything older than a year as a bare minimum. If it's genuinely important for the page, though, it wouldn't hurt to try starting a new topic line. --{{User:Lord Grammaticus/sig}} 07:16, July 27, 2019 (EDT) 
== The category of "Similarities to Paper Mario" (number 18 in the contents) on the main Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door page ==

"Chapter 5 takes place on a tropical island with coconuts in both games and both involve an expedition. Also, in both games, this is when Mario's oldest partner joins him, and they both have to be rescued from being stuck in a tree before they do so." 

I'm not 100% certain, but I'm pretty sure Admiral Bobbery does not need to be rescued from a tree to have him join your party. He is next to a tree but isn't stuck in it. Sushie '''is''' definitely stuck in a tree. {{unsigned| ‎PaperMariofangirl11}}
:iirc, he hides in the tree with the Embers attack him. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 11:22, 5 November 2018 (EST)
:He does hide in a tree, and you have to hammer him to make him fall out. See [https://youtu.be/-SrZe13V-w0?t=41m49s this video]. [[User:Scrooge200|Scrooge200]] ([[User talk:Scrooge200|talk]]) 12:30, 5 November 2018 (EST)

== I'm going to upload themes for TTYD. ==

[[File:The Final Battle - Shadow Queen Phase 2.oga]]
[[File:Shadow Peach - Shadow Queen Phase 1.oga]]
So i'll wait until anyone edits these in. --{{User|Tent2}} 12:46, April 4, 2019 (EDT)

== Credit movement ==

In the credits, some letters move and there are 2 types of movement. Can someone see if they say anything?--[[User:Svtopdog|Lava Juggle]] ([[User talk:Svtopdog|talk]]) 16:34, May 17, 2020 (EDT)

== Suggestion to move regional differences of this page into a subpage ==

There's a lot of differences between the Japanese and international versions that haven't been covered yet so I suggest we should make the regional differences part of this main page into its own subpage since the main page is already quite long.
[[User:Mr. Kite|Mr. Kite]] ([[User talk:Mr. Kite|talk]]) 21:08, November 14, 2020 (EST)