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| == Split Refreshroom (Giant) == | | == Split Refreshroom (Giant) == |
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| {{proposal outcome|vetoed|Too early to overturn [[Talk:Refreshroom#Split the Giant Bowser battle Refreshroom|this proposal]]}}
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| This is not just an ordinary mushroom. Like the [[Dash Mushroom]] that shares the same appearance as the normal [[Mushroom]], the '''Refreshroom''' from [[Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story]] shares a similar appearance but functions differently from its normal counterpart and is given a separate name (Admittedly, just in the original release). Unlike the [[Mario & Luigi (series)|M & L]] Mushroom that just heals 30 hp for either bro (and [[Bowser]] if he gets one from an enemy) this heals 50% of [[Giant Bowser]]'s health. In [[Mario & Luigi: Dream Team]], this item functions differently than in Inside Story as a mushroom that heals [[Giant Luigi]] just a bit more than a single small mushroom from the [[Rhythm Mushroom]] move. This mushroom only appears in giant battles. Here are the names in other languages for this item, | | This is not just an ordinary mushroom. Like the [[Dash Mushroom]] that shares the same appearance as the normal [[Mushroom]], the '''Refreshroom''' from [[Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story]] shares a similar appearance but functions differently from its normal counterpart and is given a separate name (Admittedly, just in the original release). Unlike the [[Mario & Luigi (series)|M & L]] Mushroom that just heals 30 hp for either bro (and [[Bowser]] if he gets one from an enemy) this heals 50% of [[Giant Bowser]]'s health. In [[Mario & Luigi: Dream Team]], this item functions differently than in Inside Story as a mushroom that heals [[Giant Luigi]] just a bit more than a single small mushroom from the [[Rhythm Mushroom]] move. This mushroom only appears in giant battles. Here are the names in other languages for this item, |
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| Didn't this [[Talk:Refreshroom#Split the Giant Bowser battle Refreshroom|just get merged earlier this month]]? You need to wait four weeks before you can overturn a previous proposal. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 05:36, January 20, 2025 (EST) | | Didn't this [[Talk:Refreshroom#Split the Giant Bowser battle Refreshroom|just get merged earlier this month]]? You need to wait four weeks before you can overturn a previous proposal. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 05:36, January 20, 2025 (EST) |
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| I was going to point out my proposal but I got an edit conflict. Besides that, I would like to point out the name Refreshroom in all languages was replaced by Mushroom in the remake. Admittedly I did forget Dream Team features similar mushrooms so I will have to think about this before deciding what option I would pick. {{User:LadySophie17/sig}} 06:13, January 20, 2025 (EST) | | I was going to point out my proposal but I got an edit conflict. Besides that, I would like to point out the name Refreshroom in all languages was replaced by Mushroom in the remake. Admittedly I did forget Dream Team features similar mushrooms so I will have to think about this before deciding what option I would pick. {{User:LadySophie17/sig}} 06:13, January 20, 2025 (EST) |
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| == Waiting a month before proposing again ==
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| I saw the merge but didn't pay attention to when it was merged. I'd assumed we'd have split the two mushrooms years ago since they're nothing alike but I guess not. I will retry this proposal on February 24.--{{User:Pizza Master/sig}} 18:22, January 20, 2025 (EST)
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| The Giant Mushroom/Refreshroom proposal will be postponed til the 27 of February. I will explain why when I re-propose it.
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| This is the real Pizza Master editing anonymously on mobile. {{User:Pizza Master/sig}}
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| ==Split Mushroom (Monstro Town)==
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| {{proposal outcome|passed|8-0|Split}}
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| This one is pretty simple. It's a mushroom that despite the identical name and appearance functions differently to the normal [[Mushroom]] and is treated as a separate item by the game itself. All the other mushrooms from [[Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars|this game]] have their own pages so why shouldn't this one, too? A good parallel to this would be the [[Lucky Hammer]] that was originally just called ''Hammer''. My [[User:Pizza Master/sandbox|sandbox page]] does a pretty good job of showing what this page would look like.
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| '''Proposer''': {{User|Pizza Master}}<br>
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| '''Deadline''': February 26, 2025, 23:59 GMT
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| ===Support===
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| #{{User|Pseudo}} Per proposal. This seems like a relic of the time during which the Mid Mushroom and Max Mushroom did not have their own articles and were part of the Super Mario RPG section of the Mushroom article themselves.
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| #{{User|FanOfYoshi}} Per all.
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| #{{User|Blinker}} Per all.
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| #{{User|Rykitu}} Different items mean different articles.
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| #{{User|Camwoodstock}} Makes sense to us. Different item, different article. Per proposal.
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| #{{User|ThePowerPlayer}} Per all.
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| #{{User|Kirby the Formling}} Per all.
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| #{{User|SComic}} Per all.
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| ===Oppose===
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| What about the Hammer from Seaside Town? If we were gonna split this sort of thing, I'd've gone with that first. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 00:27, February 12, 2025 (EST)
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| :That one has already been split as [[Lucky Hammer]] due to being renamed in the Switch version, as mentioned in the proposal text. 08:10, February 12, 2025 (EST) {{User:Pseudo/sig}}
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| ::Guess I'm out-of-the-loop, hehe, I thought that was referring to when it was ''previously'' given the "name" of that by the wiki... [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 09:49, February 12, 2025 (EST)
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| == Split Refreshroom/Mushroom (Giant) Part 2 ==
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| {{proposal outcome|failed|2-1-6|Keep Merged with Mushroom}}
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| Per everything I said in [[Talk:Mushroom#Split Refreshroom (Giant)|the previous attempt of this proposal]]. Added points (The reason I delayed this proposal by 3 days): [[Mushroom (Monstro Town)|The Monstro Town Mushroom]] that looks identical to the normal [[Mushroom]], has the same name, and heals the same amount got recently split because of the facts that it is treated as a separate item by the game (especially in the [[Super Mario RPG (Nintendo Switch)|Switch remake]] where it is given its own inventory "slot") and has the function of turning the player into a [[Mushroom (status effect)|Mushroom]]. In the same vein, the "Refreshroom" from [[BIS]] looks identical to a normal [[Mushroom]] and has the same name in the [[Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey|3DS remake]] but functions differently in that it heals for 50% HP rather than 30 HP and heals for a little more than a normal mushroom in [[Mario & Luigi: Dream Team]]. There's also the size difference which is less important. Also the previous attempt was vetoed (thus it reached no conclusion), so there is no conflict with me starting up this proposal again now.
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| '''Proposer''': {{User|Pizza Master}}<br>
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| '''Deadline''': March 13, 2025, 23:59 GMT
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| ===Support (Split as Refreshroom (Giant))===
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| #{{User|Pizza Master}} per
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| #{{User|Kirby the Formling}} Because it has a diffrent function and diffrent name in Japanese version, I think it's good enough.
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| ===Support (Split as Mushroom (Giant))===
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| #{{User|Pizza Master}} secondary
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| #{{User|PrincessPeachFan}}: They may be giants (pun not intended) but that doesn't change the fact that they're regular Mushrooms and Nintendo doesn't see a difference.
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| #{{User|Salmancer}} See now, I only commented on the merge proposal but didn't vote, but I do have to vote here. ''Dream Team'' is getting dragged into this, and in that game's case there was never a distinction made. It's Mushroom that has been scaled up so that you can see the things, and feel satisfied when you collect them, when the camera has to be zoomed much farther out for kaiju scaled combat.
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| #{{User|LadySophie17}} As the one who proposed the merge in the first place, I must oppose this. The Monstro Town Mushroom split makes sense to me because the item is treated as a separate type of Mushroom that has different effects within the same gameplay, while the giant battle Mushroom still has the same effect, just with a different amount of HP healed due to the different mechanics between battles. The Mushroom article already covers instances of Mushrooms with different effects, compare the ''Mario Party'' Mushrooms to the ''Mario & Luigi'' Mushrooms, for example.
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| #{{User|Blinker}} Per LadySophie17.
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| #{{User|Camwoodstock}} Per LadySophie17; the only really substantial difference is the scale and amount of health healed. If Nintendo didn't feel the need to distinguish, we probably shouldn't either.
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| #{{User|Power Flotzo}} Per all.
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| I made a rough draft version of what the article might look like on [[User:Pizza Master/sandbox|my sandbox page]].--{{User:Pizza Master/sig}} 19:59, February 27, 2025 (EST)
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| It's important to remember that while the Mushrooms may look the same and they're called Mushrooms meaning Nintendo doesn't really see a difference. Besides, there was a proposal to move the Refreshroom to the Giant Bowser article a month ago. [[User:PrincessPeachFan|PrincessPeachFan]] ([[User talk:PrincessPeachFan|talk]]) 08:59, February 28, 2025 (EST)
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| Also, I'd like to point out that one of the arguements for the original proposal was "In Mario & Luigi: Dream Team... that heals Giant Luigi just a bit more than a single small mushroom from the Rhythm Mushroom move". Remember, Giant Battles don't display numerical HP. And for the most part, stats kind of cease to exist. Since one mode of combat has numbers and not health bars and the other has health bars but not numbers, the two "kinds" of mushroom are incomparable. There's no good way to say the intended play experience of ''Dream Team'' is that players see the giant mushroom as being a stronger kind of mushroom. [[User:Salmancer|Salmancer]] ([[User talk:Salmancer|talk]]) 07:36, March 1, 2025 (EST)
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| Precisely, why should we re-split the Refreshroom if number 1. We already '''had''' a proposal to merge it with Giant Bowser and 2. There's no actual way to differentiate it? [[User:PrincessPeachFan|PrincessPeachFan]] ([[User talk:PrincessPeachFan|talk]]) 08:14, March 2, 2025 (EST)
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