Talk:Microsoft

As stated before, is this page necessary? Microsoft has never been directly involved with the Super Mario franchise, They created the Windows and MS-DOS systems that some Super Mario edutainment games released on, which is incidental, since those also released on Mac, and hundreds of thousands of software was released on Windows due to its availability and not needing Microsoft's approval to have it released on there. Bill Gates isn't inherently synonymous with Microsoft, and that skit was mostly about Windows 95. Diddy Kong Racing is only a Super Mario game by the fact that Diddy Kong was licensed for inclusion, not because Banjo and Conker were ever Super Mario characters. The Microsoft buyout of Rare can just be mentioned on the Rare article and Donkey Kong franchise pages. Microsoft allowing Banjo and Kazooie in Super Smash Bros. is just something that could be described on the Super Smash Bros. Ultimate page or something, since the Super Mario franchise wasn't involved in that decision. It feels as if the page is trying to string together connections that either incidental or not there to begin with. The Rare Ltd. and Bill Gates sections are basically rehashes of what's on their respective pages.

If Microsoft owned Donkey Kong from the buyout, that would've given me more inclination that they can have their own page. But they only bought out Rare and their properties wholesale, none of which were ever part of the Super Mario franchise. Super Mario RPG (talk) 17:57, May 28, 2024 (EDT)

This is just a collation of different existing Mario-related elements on the wiki just because they have the common thread of having something to do with Microsoft. The company itself is only remotely related to the Mario franchise. I support deleting the page. Mario JC 03:26, May 29, 2024 (EDT)

My vote is a hard pro-keep, as there was no previous page at all to cover MS-DOS (let alone Windows GUI versions for which Mario games were released) that wasn't just a redirect to Category:MS-DOS games, while the Rare info (which I worked for around a week to collect) is substantially more extensive than what the Rare Ltd. page itself has at the time of writing. While the Bill Gates section I admit is a stretch, I would only change vote if, and only if, a dedicated MS-DOS page is created in its place, while the currently strangely short Rare Ltd. page would had have to be almost doubled in vertical height. DandelionSprout (talk) 10:00, May 29, 2024 (EDT)

@Mario jc Yeah that's what I've been trying to communicate. Super Mario RPG (talk) 15:17, May 29, 2024 (EDT)

Somewhat strangely, it didn't dawn on me that userspace test pages could be expected to have talkpages. 😓 Nevertheless, the claim that MS-DOS wouldn't need a page would be absurd, as it has more games released for it with Mario in them than what for instance Game Boy Color had. The Rare section was not even close to a rehash, and the connections seem firm to me. DandelionSprout (talk) 18:57, May 29, 2024 (EDT)

Also, it seems pretty odd to me that you (Super Mario RPG) are mass-undoing the links to the Microsoft page even before any decisions pertaining to deletion have even come close to a ruled-on decision. For instance for Dixie Kong. This is getting ridiculous. DandelionSprout (talk) 21:01, May 29, 2024 (EDT)

No, it's because you added it to a lot of pages and now it's being considered for deletion. If it's decided to stay, the links can be reinstated, though not the MS-DOS and Windows, since those are redirect links. Super Mario RPG (talk) 21:04, May 29, 2024 (EDT)

There was a page for MS-DOS; it was deleted and redirected to a category per this proposal for a similar reason. Mario JC 00:23, May 31, 2024 (EDT)

Information here is served better in other articles. A chunk of the article relates to MS-DOS as a platform, which was already deleted for being tangential to MarioWiki, another part is to Bill Gates (we have a standalone page to this), and another one is to Rare, Ltd. There isn't much in the page that even directly goes into Microsoft's relationship to the Mario franchise. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 16:10, May 31, 2024 (EDT)

Yeah, this just rehashes info from elsewhere, especially the Rare Ltd. and Donkey Kong Country (series) pages. Super Mario RPG (talk) 16:41, May 31, 2024 (EDT)