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== Deciding what to do with Impostor Bowser == | == Deciding what to do with Impostor Bowser == | ||
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↑ Read my comments from the [[Talk:Fake Bowser#Waiting til Jamboree|Waiting til Jamboree]] section of this page and my comments and reasoning from the prior proposal, [[Talk:Fake Bowser#Split Impostor Bowser from Fake Bowser|Split Impostor Bowser from Fake Bowser]]. Also unlike other Fake Bowsers, Impostor Bowser doesn't revert back to being a generic enemy when defeated and is '''one enemy''' rather a species of enemies as previously mentioned by [[User:Hewer|Hewer]]. | |||
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'''Proposer''': {{User|Pizza Master}}<br> | '''Proposer''': {{User|Pizza Master}}<br> | ||
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#{{User|Hewer}} Per what I've said in the above two sections, this is a strange merge with too much guesswork involved for my liking, given the differences in name and appearance. The argument for the merge is that they're similar, which doesn't necessarily make them the same thing. Even if they did have fake Bowsers in mind when making this, it could still be a similar yet separate concept (like [[White Block]] and [[Grab Block]], [[Genie of the Lamp]] and [[Mushroom Genie]], or [[Princess (Paper Mario: Color Splash)|Princess]] and [[Princess (Paper Mario: The Origami King)|Princess]]), or just an individual member of the fake Bowser species. | #{{User|Hewer}} Per what I've said in the above two sections, this is a strange merge with too much guesswork involved for my liking, given the differences in name and appearance. The argument for the merge is that they're similar, which doesn't necessarily make them the same thing. Even if they did have fake Bowsers in mind when making this, it could still be a similar yet separate concept (like [[White Block]] and [[Grab Block]], [[Genie of the Lamp]] and [[Mushroom Genie]], or [[Princess (Paper Mario: Color Splash)|Princess]] and [[Princess (Paper Mario: The Origami King)|Princess]]), or just an individual member of the fake Bowser species. | ||
#{{User|Tails777}} Per Hewer. While the arguments against splitting are compelling, I still feel like this is a significant enough concept to be split, especially with Hewer's comparisons to the genies and Chain-Chomps. | #{{User|Tails777}} Per Hewer. While the arguments against splitting are compelling, I still feel like this is a significant enough concept to be split, especially with Hewer's comparisons to the genies and Chain-Chomps. | ||
===Support (Split as variant of [[Fake Bowser]])=== | ===Support (Split as variant of [[Fake Bowser]])=== | ||
#{{User|Pizza Master}} Secondary choice. | #{{User|Pizza Master}} Secondary choice. | ||
#{{User|Salmancer}} New Name + New Appearance = usually a new thing. Also the comment from before on why this is an especially key appearance change. A Fake Bowser that can be distinguished on sight is a major change from a stock Fake Bowser. And if the Yoshi's Island bosses still being separate after all this time is anything to go by, then a name remix makes the case stronger. | #{{User|Salmancer}} New Name + New Appearance = usually a new thing. Also the comment from before on why this is an especially key appearance change. A Fake Bowser that can be distinguished on sight is a major change from a stock Fake Bowser. And if the Yoshi's Island bosses still being separate after all this time is anything to go by, then a name remix makes the case stronger. | ||
===Compromise (Impostor Bowser info on [[Fake Bowser]] article stays there, but Impostor Bowser also receives an article)=== | ===Compromise (Impostor Bowser info on [[Fake Bowser]] article stays there, but Impostor Bowser also receives an article)=== | ||
#{{User|Pizza Master}} Tertiary choice. | #{{User|Pizza Master}} Tertiary choice. | ||
===Oppose=== | ===Oppose=== | ||
#{{User|LadySophie17}} Reiterating my vote. To start with, their Japanese names (the language of origin) are virtually identical ({{ruby|にせクッパ|Nise Kuppa}} and {{ruby|ニセクッパ|Nise Kuppa}}) apart from the use of hiragana/katakana. Their origins are also borderline identical (one is a minion transformed into a copy of Bowser and the other is a minion transformed ''by Kamek'' into a copy of Bowser). And finally, their functions in their respective games are similar enough (to be in place of Bowser) for me to consider them the same subject. Tail Bowser gets a pass because it has a (significant enough) visual difference, a different name and a different ability (that being the use of the Super Leaf). | #{{User|LadySophie17}} Reiterating my vote. To start with, their Japanese names (the language of origin) are virtually identical ({{ruby|にせクッパ|Nise Kuppa}} and {{ruby|ニセクッパ|Nise Kuppa}}) apart from the use of hiragana/katakana. Their origins are also borderline identical (one is a minion transformed into a copy of Bowser and the other is a minion transformed ''by Kamek'' into a copy of Bowser). And finally, their functions in their respective games are similar enough (to be in place of Bowser) for me to consider them the same subject. Tail Bowser gets a pass because it has a (significant enough) visual difference, a different name and a different ability (that being the use of the Super Leaf). | ||
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#{{User|Camwoodstock}} Now that the game's actually out and the similarities are far more apparent, sure, may as well. | #{{User|Camwoodstock}} Now that the game's actually out and the similarities are far more apparent, sure, may as well. | ||
#{{User|PrincessPeachFan}}: '''OY'''. | #{{User|PrincessPeachFan}}: '''OY'''. | ||
===Comments=== | ===Comments=== | ||
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::[[Tail Goomba]] (which has a page) is to Goomba what [[Tail Bowser]] is to Fake Bowser. It is a variant of a boss and it is not unreasonable for it to have its own page. I personally don't think it's the same situation. - [[User:Nintendo101|Nintendo101]] ([[User talk:Nintendo101|talk]]) 15:35, October 18, 2024 (EDT) | ::[[Tail Goomba]] (which has a page) is to Goomba what [[Tail Bowser]] is to Fake Bowser. It is a variant of a boss and it is not unreasonable for it to have its own page. I personally don't think it's the same situation. - [[User:Nintendo101|Nintendo101]] ([[User talk:Nintendo101|talk]]) 15:35, October 18, 2024 (EDT) | ||
Why do we need to do this? Impostor Bowser is literally the same guy and trying to say he's an individual because of a different Japanese name is not going to change anything. [[User:PrincessPeachFan|PrincessPeachFan]] ([[User talk:PrincessPeachFan|talk]]) 08:52, October 18, 2024 (EDT) | Why do we need to do this? Impostor Bowser is literally the same guy and trying to say he's an individual because of a different Japanese name is not going to change anything. [[User:PrincessPeachFan|PrincessPeachFan]] ([[User talk:PrincessPeachFan|talk]]) 08:52, October 18, 2024 (EDT) | ||