Talk:Gold Shell

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Hummm, why is this article written as a story? Supermariofan14

What kind of effect does the gold shell have when its thrown underwater? Does it home in or not? wow it's Kiryu (^T_C)

I think it doesn't. Supermariofan14

It looked like it did for me. I'm pretty sure it does, yeah. I watched it follow an eel round a corner. Avengah 08:00, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Split?

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The Gold Shell in New Super Mario Bros. 2, Super Mario 3D World, and Mario Kart World appears to be a different object from the Gold Shells in other games. It has a different function, and as of Kart World it has a different name too ("Coin Shell"). I think it should be split. jan Misali (talk · contributions) 13:35, April 7, 2025 (EDT)

Let's wait until the game is released first, please? PrincessPeachFan (talk) 08:55, April 9, 2025 (EDT)

This merge is comparable to the Mario Kart Lightning Cloud and Thunder Cloud merge. The Thunder Cloud (MKGP) and Lightning Cloud (the one from MKWii) look the same but are differently named and function differently from each other, yet they are merged since the identical appearances alone is enough to consider them the same item. The Gold Shell from MKGPDX and Coin Shell from MKWorld look exactly the same so I'd argue they're the same item. I'd say this article should instead be moved to Coin Shell and be rewritten to fit that name as that seems to be the new name for the Gold Shell. -- Pizza Master (talk)

Also worth mentioning is that the Coin Shell from Mario Kart World looks almost completely identical to the Shell worn by Gold Koopas in New Super Mario Bros. 2. The 'Gold Shell' from NSMB2 goes unnamed in official media related to the game including the files of the game itself but would presumably be called a Gold Shell given the game's naming pattern of "object X" + "Gold Ring Effect" = "Gold X" or simply Gold Koopa Shell given that it's worn by a Gold Koopa. -- Pizza Master (talk)

Well, it went unnamed in official materials for a while, until Mario Kart World, in which it reappears with the name "Coin Shell". jan Misali (talk · contributions) 00:03, April 22, 2025 (EDT)

I think you misunderstood. The Gold Shell is unnamed in official materials for New Super Mario Bros. 2 specifically. It is called a gold shell in official materials for Super Mario Galaxy, Mario Kart Arcade GP DX, and Super Mario 3D World. It's even referred to as a "gold shell" in-game by Coach in Galaxy. Not meaning to be condescending, just clarifying. -- Pizza Master (talk)

So it turns out the Mario Kart World item is actually called ゴールデンこうら (Gōruden Kōra) in Japanese, which doesn't match up with its previous names in that language either, but does match up with the Japanese name for Gold Koopas (ゴールデンノコノコ, Gōruden Nokonoko). Given that I'd now be inclined to say that it's likely meant to be the same object as the Gold Koopa shells from New Super Mario Bros. 2 at the very least. Though it doesn't feel right to me either to treat the gold shells from Super Mario Galaxy and the Mario Kart Arcade GP games as necessarily the same item. However, while I think the Japanese name they went with for the Mario Kart World item is potentially relevant, I don't think it actually matters much what they decided to call it in English and other languages either way. ("Coin Shell" strikes me as another arbitrary NoA/NoE change more than anything.) PaperSplash (talk) 18:15, April 23, 2025 (EDT)

I mean, Gōruden Kōra or ゴールデンこうら (Golden shell) isn't that different a name from ゴールドこうら or Gōrudo Kōra (Gold shell) (The item's name in GP DX). On the point regarding the differing functionality between Galaxy and the GP series, think of the Ice Flower. It functions differently in Super Mario Galaxy and New Super Mario Bros. Wii but doesn't get split pages because it's clearly the same item. -- Pizza Master (talk)

True, but while this is getting a bit into speculation territory, I personally believe that the shared use of ゴールデン/Gōruden for both the Gold Koopa and the Mario Kart World shell is likely not a coincidence, especially given the aforementioned visual resemblance. Though fair point about the Ice Flower, I suppose. But regardless, I do also get the feeling that the gold shells from the Mario Kart Arcade GP series, the ones from Super Mario Galaxy and the ones from New Super Mario Bros. 2 onwards (excluding GP DX) were likely more-or-less conceptualized independently, for what that's worth. PaperSplash (talk) 17:43, April 24, 2025 (EDT)

TBH, I'd be all for it. Like, are we seriously gonna document these items that have nothing to do with coins on an article named Coin Shell just because they're the same color?--PopitTart (talk) 00:52, April 24, 2025 (EDT)

That's also a good point. PaperSplash (talk) 17:43, April 24, 2025 (EDT)

The 3D World Shell is called a Gold Shell and gives you coins so that's incorrect. Not to mention the similarity in Japanese naming between them should be enough to put this to rest. -- Pizza Master (talk)

What's incorrect? The 3DW item being called "Gold Shell" doesn't change the fact that documenting the iterations of golden-colored shells that have nothing to do with coins under "Coin Shell" is simply silly. This choice of name for the localization clearly suggests they aren't considering these to be the same subject. Compare Rift Mario and Dark Mario, both of which are called "Kage Mario" in Japanese.--PopitTart (talk) 01:18, April 25, 2025 (EDT)

You make good points here. However, I have more to add. There is a sort of indirect connection that the Galaxy Gold Shell has to coins. They're used to get Power Stars which are connected to coins via Red Coin, Purple Coin, Blue Coin, and 100-Coin missions. So there's an admittedly very indirect connection the shell has to coins in Galaxy. Gold Shells from GP DX are unlocked using Mario Coins (correct me if that's incorrect.) So both Galaxy and the GP series gold shells do have connections to coins even if they're indirect. -- Pizza Master (talk)

Not sure how to explain without coming off as snarky but the supposed connection in Galaxy at least feels like more than a bit of a stretch to me. PaperSplash (talk) 15:52, April 27, 2025 (EDT)

Fair enough. Although, if we split the Galaxy Gold Shell from the Coin Shell and only the Galaxy Gold Shell from Coin Shell, it'd feel a bit strange to me. It could be argued that Gold inherently has a connection to coins given the Coins of the Mario series are often classified as Gold coins. So the shell could be considered to have that connection by association, though I see that too is a bit of a stretch. -- Pizza Master (talk)