Editing Talk:Goat

==This page's contents==
{{talk}}
Given recent rulings on "real-world" species articles (cow, elephant, horse, dog, etc.), this page is ripe for being overhauled. I'd suggest splitting off mountain goat for the MK7 info, keeping the Thing sticker info here, and nixing the rest, as one's a generic background element, and none of these previous proposals have kept mentions of ''WarioWare'' stuff anyways. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 18:27, 28 August 2018 (EDT)
:I was just about to make a proposal suggesting the same exact thing! {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 18:29, 28 August 2018 (EDT)

== Split Mountain Goat from this page ==

{{TPP}}
This proposal is per mine and Doc von Schmeltwick's comments above. If you're wondering why this looks so generic, let me just clear up that this is about splitting the ''Mario Kart 7'' stage obstacle from this page. Taxonomically speaking, mountain goats are not true goats, instead being more closely related to antelopes and gazelles. It's not like the games necessarily treat Mountain Goats and true goats as the same thing anyways. That said, I think we should split [[Mountain Goat]] from [[Goat]], though I also have the option of moving the page itself and removing the information on generic goats and relocating the remaining info to their respective articles.

'''Proposer:''' {{user|Toadette the Achiever}}<br>
'''Deadline:''' September 11, 2018, 23:59 GMT

===Split as proposed===
#{{User|Toadette the Achiever}} My preferred option.
#{{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}} The only consistent thing here is that they're colloquially identifiable as goats, but as mentioned, they are only related close enough to all be {{wp|even-toed ungulate}}s with horns. Also one's a racing obstacle and one's an off-kilter item.

===Move the page itself to Mountain Goat and remove/relocate the information on actual goats===
#{{User|Toadette the Achiever}} Second choice.
#{{user|7feetunder}} Per Waluigi Time.
#{{User|Bazooka Mario}} I vote for this too.
#{{User|TheFlameChomp}} Per all.
#{{User|Waluigi Time}} The other goats already covered by this page seem fairly generic to me, and don't need coverage.
#{{user|Mario jc}} Per all.
#{{User|BBQ Turtle}} Per all.
#{{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}} Yeah, we should probably do something about the Things as a whole before creating an exception.
#{{User|rollerC}} Per all.
#{{User|bwburke94}} Per all. Real-life animals don't necessarily need coverage.

===Do nothing===

===Comments===
@Waluigi Time & Mario jc: I made the change as requested. {{unsigned|Toadette the Achiever}}

:What do you mean by "relocate"? That seems like the same as splitting. {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 23:42, 29 August 2018 (EDT)
::Presumably simply the [[Sticker (Paper Mario: Sticker Star)#Things|thing]] area of the sticker article, despite the goat being uniquely a living thing (and as such rather....distinct. I think as such they should just be split. The game says it's a statue, but it moves rather organically.....it's just weird.) [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 23:45, 29 August 2018 (EDT)
:::In my opinion, it wouldn’t make much sense to split the ''Sticker Star'' Thing into its own article, unless other Things had their own articles. --{{User:TheFlameChomp/sig}} 08:18, 30 August 2018 (EDT)
::::And why shouldn't they? This one at least is necessary to continue, not all of them are. Very few, if fact. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 14:21, 30 August 2018 (EDT)
:::::While this one, unlike some of the others, can be used to complete a level, this one isn’t actually necessary, as any kind of Vacuum obtainable at the time can be used instead. Deciding on whether or not to separate the Things should be a separate discussing, and not decided by this proposal. --{{User:TheFlameChomp/sig}} 16:47, 30 August 2018 (EDT)
::::::Yeah, it's better to add a proposal to the [[Talk:Sticker (Paper Mario: Sticker Star)|Sticker (''Paper Mario: Sticker Star'') talk page]] than to deal with it here. In fact, the very bottom section on that page from two years ago brings up this issue. {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 22:18, 31 August 2018 (EDT)
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 ==This page's contents==
+{{talk}}
 Given recent rulings on "real-world" species articles (cow, elephant, horse, dog, etc.), this page is ripe for being overhauled. I'd suggest splitting off mountain goat for the MK7 info, keeping the Thing sticker info here, and nixing the rest, as one's a generic background element, and none of these previous proposals have kept mentions of ''WarioWare'' stuff anyways. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 18:27, 28 August 2018 (EDT)
 :I was just about to make a proposal suggesting the same exact thing! {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 18:29, 28 August 2018 (EDT)
 == Split Mountain Goat from this page ==
-{{settled TPP}}
-{{proposal outcome|passed|2-11-0|rename the page itself to "mountain goat"}}
+{{TPP}}
-This proposal is per mine and Doc von Schmeltwick's comments above. If you're wondering why this looks so generic, let me just clear up that this is about splitting the ''Mario Kart 7'' stage obstacle from this page. Taxonomically speaking, mountain goats are not true goats, instead being more closely related to antelopes and gazelles. It's not like the games necessarily treat mountain goats and true goats as the same thing anyways. That said, I think we should split [[Mountain Goat]] from [[Goat]], though I also have the option of moving the page itself and removing the information on generic goats and relocating the remaining info to their respective articles.
+This proposal is per mine and Doc von Schmeltwick's comments above. If you're wondering why this looks so generic, let me just clear up that this is about splitting the ''Mario Kart 7'' stage obstacle from this page. Taxonomically speaking, mountain goats are not true goats, instead being more closely related to antelopes and gazelles. It's not like the games necessarily treat Mountain Goats and true goats as the same thing anyways. That said, I think we should split [[Mountain Goat]] from [[Goat]], though I also have the option of moving the page itself and removing the information on generic goats and relocating the remaining info to their respective articles.
 '''Proposer:''' {{user|Toadette the Achiever}}<br>
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 #{{User|rollerC}} Per all.
 #{{User|bwburke94}} Per all. Real-life animals don't necessarily need coverage.
-#{{User|George Jones}} Per bwburke94.
 ===Do nothing===
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 ::::And why shouldn't they? This one at least is necessary to continue, not all of them are. Very few, if fact. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 14:21, 30 August 2018 (EDT)
 :::::While this one, unlike some of the others, can be used to complete a level, this one isn’t actually necessary, as any kind of Vacuum obtainable at the time can be used instead. Deciding on whether or not to separate the Things should be a separate discussing, and not decided by this proposal. --{{User:TheFlameChomp/sig}} 16:47, 30 August 2018 (EDT)
-::::::Yeah, it's better to add a proposal to the [[Talk:Sticker|Sticker (''Paper Mario: Sticker Star'') talk page]] than to deal with it here. In fact, the very bottom section on that page from two years ago brings up this issue. {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 22:18, 31 August 2018 (EDT)
+::::::Yeah, it's better to add a proposal to the [[Talk:Sticker (Paper Mario: Sticker Star)|Sticker (''Paper Mario: Sticker Star'') talk page]] than to deal with it here. In fact, the very bottom section on that page from two years ago brings up this issue. {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 22:18, 31 August 2018 (EDT)
-==Names in Other Languages==
-In ''[[Mario Kart Tour]]'', when dashing through them the name appears, and as this game has a lot of languages, can someone add them? (also shouldn't this be renamed to "Goat" since its the most recent/in-game name rather than taken from a manual?) --[[User:Magma.|Magma.]] ([[User talk:Magma.|talk]]) 17:43, May 21, 2020 (EDT)
-==Name==
-Shouldn't we move this page to just 'goat' since that's a more recent English name than 'mountain goat' is, and it's from a game rather than a manual? (sorry if I'm doing something wrong, I haven't used talk pages before now) [[User:Hewer|Hewer]] ([[User talk:Hewer|talk]]) 14:03, February 9, 2021 (EST)
-:Sure. The previous proposal was more about removing overly generic info on goats, so go ahead if that's indeed the current name. {{User:Archivist Toadette/sig}} 14:17, February 9, 2021 (EST)
-It won't let me move the page because '[[Goat]]' is already a redirect. Sorry if there is some obvious solution I should be aware of but I've never moved a page before so I wouldn't know. [[User:Hewer|Hewer]] ([[User talk:Hewer|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Hewer|contributions]]) 14:24, February 9, 2021 (EST)
-:Tagged for deletion. {{User:Archivist Toadette/sig}} 14:41, February 9, 2021 (EST)