Talk:Fish Bone

They're in Super Mario Land 2, in Turtle Zone.

Kingfin from Super Mario Galaxy greatly resemble these guys. Is he, perhaps, the king of the Bonefish?
— The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kobble (talk).

Yeah, pretty sure he is. yoshiyoshiyoshi (talk)

Uh, where are they in Mario Party 9? YoshiCookie (talk) 10:15, 10 December 2015 (EST)

Cheep Cheeps?

Are these actually confirmed to be Cheep Cheeps, or is this more "Mario series fish = Cheep Cheep variant" speculation? Niiue (talk) 08:31, 23 December 2015 (EST)

I think this fact come from Mario Party 4, in the minigame Mushroom Medic, in the background, there is a poster with a Cheep Cheep and its Fish Bone X-ray. This is also implied in the trivia section from Fishbone page. Other than that, I do not think there are other interpretations.--^(TALK) 21:50, 27 December 2015 (EST)

Super Mario World

When could they close their mouth? Randomly, or when we aproache them? --78.248.232.59 04:17, 1 May 2016 (EDT)

Co-Bone

Given Honebon was split for having a different Japanese name, should the SMG section here also be split? To recap, these things look more like Sharkbones (a la Kingfin), act exactly like Torpedo Teds, make sonar pings, and have turbine-like parts in their bodies. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 16:50, 31 January 2018 (EST)

There's also the issue of the "Fish skeleton" being on here, a generic dead fish that isn't even sapient from what I can tell. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 19:57, 1 February 2018 (EST)

I'll agree with the Mario Bros. information getting removed, but the Super Mario Galaxy seems to mark the debut of traits Fish Bones have now. In the New Super Mario Bros. games, they also ping and charge toward the player. imo, they shouldn't be split. 20:01, 1 February 2018 (EST)

They don't ping constantly, don't have propellors, and aren't particularly metallic-looking. It seems to me more like a case between Unbaba and Kounbaba. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 20:05, 1 February 2018 (EST)

Oh, I never realized these look more like robotic variants. Hm, along with the consistent pinging, these chase after the player rather than just charge at them. I guess they could be split using their Japanese name. 20:17, 1 February 2018 (EST)

Yeah, I'd suggest splitting them, as they're never called "Fish Bone" in any guide, and we have multiple pages dedicated to similar skeletal fish-themed enemies. BubbleRevolution (talk) 12:46, 27 February 2018 (EST)

According to Naming, "Kobōne" would be the name of the article, not Co-Bone. We could also wait for Dark Horse's Encyclopedia Super Mario Bros. translation to come out later this year (assuming it doesn't get delayed again), but given their rather minimalist localization approach in Hyrule Graphics, it will probably remain as Kobone. LinkTheLefty (talk) 14:00, 27 February 2018 (EST)

Side note, I was rather disappointed with that localization myself, but hey, Zazack=Daira by their minds. As for "Co-Bone," that wasn't what I was intending for the article to be named, just as a section header here as it's easier to type due to not having a "long o" key. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 03:20, 22 March 2018 (EDT)

Yeah, they should be split since they're pretty different things. -- FanOfYoshi 11:36, 16 October 2018 (EDT)

Split Fish Skeleton and Skeletal Fish Guard from Fish Bone

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split 10-0
These two subjects are entirely different from the usual Fish Bone. The Fish Skeleton is a junk item from the Game Boy Advance iteration of Mario Bros. that's an inanimate, half-eaten fish that still has the head and tail intact, which is entirely different from the undead enemy. The Skeletal Fish Guard is an enemy with a completely different name and design from Super Mario Galaxy that accompanies Kingfin; the English version of Super Mario Encyclopedia claims that it is Fish Bone on page 127, but that's because of us.

Proposer: LinkTheLefty (talk)
Deadline: November 17, 2018, 23:59 GMT

Support

1. LinkTheLefty (talk) Per proposal.
2. VOIDTHIS (talk) Per proposal.
3. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) Per my thoughts above and the proposal.
4. WeirdDave13 (talk) Per all
5. FanOfYoshi (talk) Per all.
6. Niiue (talk) Per all.
7. Doomhiker (talk) Per all.
8. TheFlameChomp (talk) Per all.
9. bwburke94 (talk) Per all.
10. Mister Wu (talk) Better to fix it before we start affecting yet another English translation...

Comments

Skeletal Fish Guard is actually the Kobōne i guess? -- FanOfYoshi 06:19, 14 November 2018 (EST)

Yeah, file name, since it's English (unlike several other file names, which are in a gray area between Japanese and English). Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 07:15, 14 November 2018 (EST)

Likewise for Ocean Small Turtle? Well, "small" and "turtle" in Japanese respectively romanize to "chibi" and "kame". So it's fine to use it as the actual english name. -- FanOfYoshi 07:47, 14 November 2018 (EST)

Ocean Small Turtle is as-is except with proper spacing instead of CamelCase. Not every file name is a literal romanization of Japanese; in fact, English localizations surprisingly show up in Japanese-developed games on occasion. For example, Super Mario Maker has the Costume Mario labels MegaMan, Charizard and Greninja, and there are a fair amount of Super Smash Bros. Brawl trophies that use NOA naming (namely Birdo, Boo, Buzzybeetle, Shyguy, Toad and Xananab, as well as a few non-Mario ones like Andross and Darknut). Also, some of the official Super Mario Sunshine guides apparently reference the internal names of certain things, most notably Wire Trap. Etc. At any rate, Skeletal Fish Guard is in the same boat. LinkTheLefty (talk) 18:50, 17 November 2018 (EST)

Fish Bone is a Cheep Cheep?

Is a Fish Bone really a Cheep-Cheep? None of its names in other languages indicate that it is related to Cheep Cheeps. CBFan5 (talk) 18:03, December 24, 2020 (EST)

This comes from a diagram in the background of a Mario Party minigame. Personally, I see this as more of a simple gag than an absolute statement of their nature; note that how unlike Jean de Fillet, the tails are totally different from Cheep Cheeps. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 01:42, December 25, 2020 (EST)

I personally think that's enough to label it as parent species; Honebōn and Jean de Fillet also diverge from game-respective Cheep Cheep designs yet are known to be their skeletons too. LinkTheLefty (talk) 15:51, January 15, 2021 (EST)

Small update: Page 180 of Perfect Ban Mario Character Daijiten seems to be one of the first mentions of Fish Bones being possibly related to Cheep Cheeps. Relevant portion in its introduction:

骨になったプクプクか!?
骨になってしまった魚。プフプフク(P190)の幽霊か?
(Pukupuku's become bone!? This fish has become bone. Is it Pukupuku's ghost?)

Note that Honebōn was stated to be Cheep Cheep's ghost here and earlier in the Super Mario Land 2 guide and site, so that may be why it uses the term yūrei. Like Ragumo, it doesn't outright confirm it, but it can be looked at like J-son, in which a later source did. LinkTheLefty (talk) 12:33, December 1, 2021 (EST)