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So since we decided ''Hotel Mario''{{'}}s "Toad" was a misidentified 1-up Mushroom, should we do the same for this? This is clearly based off ''Bullet'' Bill's original artwork, is at a normal size for Bullet Bill, and essentially acts like the diagonal Bullet Bills from ''Super Mario World''. This seems to be a mistake on the manual writers' part. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 15:59, May 6, 2020 (EDT) | So since we decided ''Hotel Mario''{{'}}s "Toad" was a misidentified 1-up Mushroom, should we do the same for this? This is clearly based off ''Bullet'' Bill's original artwork, is at a normal size for Bullet Bill, and essentially acts like the diagonal Bullet Bills from ''Super Mario World''. This seems to be a mistake on the manual writers' part. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 15:59, May 6, 2020 (EDT) | ||
:Maybe you should write a proposal about this. This is Bull's-Eye Banzai all over again. {{User:Ray Trace/sig}} 14:39, September 16, 2020 (EDT) | :Maybe you should write a proposal about this. This is Bull's-Eye Banzai all over again. {{User:Ray Trace/sig}} 14:39, September 16, 2020 (EDT) | ||
::The difference here is that ''Hotel Mario'' | ::The difference here is that ''Hotel Mario'''s "Toad" is also identified as an "Extra Mario Mushroom", which was a name used for 1-Up Mushroom in ''Super Mario World'' material. Technically, what's called a Banzai Bill in the manual is still visibly a bit longer than a common Bullet Bill, which also had inconsistent physical characteristics at the time. Besides, some of the game's designs aren't exactly 1:1, such as Spiny or Mecha Koopa. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 10:42, September 19, 2020 (EDT) | ||
:::If there's no material contradicting this and saying it was a Bullet Bill, I'd say this is a judgment call we shouldn't really be making. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 19:54, January 17, 2022 (EST) | :::If there's no material contradicting this and saying it was a Bullet Bill, I'd say this is a judgment call we shouldn't really be making. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 19:54, January 17, 2022 (EST) | ||
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==Bull's-Eye Cat== | ==Bull's-Eye Cat== | ||
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Now that this is "Bomber Bill", shouldn't we move [[Bull's-Eye Banzai]] and [[ | Now that this is "Bomber Bill", shouldn't we move [[Bull's-Eye Banzai]] and [[Cat Banzai Bill]] to "Bull's-Eye Bomber Bill" and "Cat Bomber Bill", respectively? Those were their names in Mario Portal (most recent source), which was also the first appearance of the "Bomber Bill" name. Changing them would allow us to be as consistent with the new name as possible while still sticking to official names. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 13:37, October 17, 2024 (EDT) | ||
:My stance is not until their next appearance. These names not only came years later, but it'll leave out Mad/Gold Banzai Bill and Banzai Bill Cannon anyway. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 17:40, October 17, 2024 (EDT) | :My stance is not until their next appearance. These names not only came years later, but it'll leave out Mad/Gold Banzai Bill and Banzai Bill Cannon anyway. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 17:40, October 17, 2024 (EDT) | ||
::But since this page is already Bomber Bill, those other variants being inconsistent with that is unavoidable, so I don't see the benefit of also leaving these two variants out when we don't have to. I'd say it's a bit similar to [[Sledge Bro's Card Chaos]], where we bent the naming rules a bit (prioritising British name over American name) for the sake of consistency with the name of another subject, except in this case I feel like this would be consistent with the rules since we generally didn't ignore the Mario Portal names (Bomber Bill having formerly been an exception only because it had appeared under its old name way more frequently and recently than lots of the other enemies, much more than either of these two variants). {{User:Hewer/sig}} 18:01, October 17, 2024 (EDT) | ::But since this page is already Bomber Bill, those other variants being inconsistent with that is unavoidable, so I don't see the benefit of also leaving these two variants out when we don't have to. I'd say it's a bit similar to [[Sledge Bro's Card Chaos]], where we bent the naming rules a bit (prioritising British name over American name) for the sake of consistency with the name of another subject, except in this case I feel like this would be consistent with the rules since we generally didn't ignore the Mario Portal names (Bomber Bill having formerly been an exception only because it had appeared under its old name way more frequently and recently than lots of the other enemies, much more than either of these two variants). {{User:Hewer/sig}} 18:01, October 17, 2024 (EDT) | ||
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::Better to not base our decisions on baseless speculation. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 18:01, October 17, 2024 (EDT) | ::Better to not base our decisions on baseless speculation. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 18:01, October 17, 2024 (EDT) | ||
:::That's not basis for decision. That's merely pointing something relevant out. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 18:07, October 17, 2024 (EDT) | :::That's not basis for decision. That's merely pointing something relevant out. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 18:07, October 17, 2024 (EDT) | ||
::::My two cents is that if this wiki is insisting on keeping original names, if we require the wiki to use [[ | ::::My two cents is that if this wiki is insisting on keeping original names, if we require the wiki to use [[Kodeka Maimai]] or [[Wonder Haiden]] rather than extrapolating English names, then all instances of "Banzai" should not be renamed to "Bomber". {{User:Mario/sig}} 01:32, October 18, 2024 (EDT) | ||
:::::Those don't have official English names at all, which is why we'd need to extrapolate them. These two variants, meanwhile, got their "Bomber" names from Mario Portal like the main Banzai Bill, so it's not "extrapolating", it's just using the latest English name. Note that I'm not suggesting we rename the Banzai Bill variants that weren't in Portal, as they haven't yet used the new name. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 03:04, October 18, 2024 (EDT) | :::::Those don't have official English names at all, which is why we'd need to extrapolate them. These two variants, meanwhile, got their "Bomber" names from Mario Portal like the main Banzai Bill, so it's not "extrapolating", it's just using the latest English name. Note that I'm not suggesting we rename the Banzai Bill variants that weren't in Portal, as they haven't yet used the new name. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 03:04, October 18, 2024 (EDT) | ||
:Besides, the Mario portal is pulling a George Lucas claiming that Bomber Bills have always been called that even though they've been explicitly called Banzai Bills '''in-game'''. | :Besides, the Mario portal is pulling a George Lucas claiming that Bomber Bills have always been called that even though they've been explicitly called Banzai Bills '''in-game'''. {{Unsigned|PrincessPeachFan}} | ||
::We're not arguing whether it was called Bomber Bill in the past, we're arguing what to call it now. Mario Portal applies name changes retroactively, whereas we don't. Not incorrect, just different to the wiki's policies (and it makes sense since Portal would otherwise be inconsistent with itself). And this page already got moved to Bomber Bill anyway. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 07:16, October 19, 2024 (EDT) | ::We're not arguing whether it was called Bomber Bill in the past, we're arguing what to call it now. Mario Portal applies name changes retroactively, whereas we don't. Not incorrect, just different to the wiki's policies (and it makes sense since Portal would otherwise be inconsistent with itself). And this page already got moved to Bomber Bill anyway. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 07:16, October 19, 2024 (EDT) | ||
