Editing Category talk:Third-party Super Mario characters

==Characters from ''Diddy Kong Racing''==
I was wondering if [[Banjo]] and [[Conker]] should be included here, since while their "proper" debuts were in development at the time (though the latter's development got restarted), they got their "preview" debut in ''Diddy Kong Racing''. Also, while I'm unsure about Conker, Banjo was definitely considered a Nintendo character rather than a Rare character until the Microsoft acquisition. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 13:12, December 22, 2024 (EST)
:I don't think they'd fit—at least not without overcomplicating this category. When planning out this category, I was prioritizing the intent of a character's creation rather than the game they debuted in. While ''Diddy Kong Racing'' may not have started development as a ''Donkey Kong'' game, its original characters weren't originally created for different games as Banjo and Conker were (with the possible exception of [[Tiptup]], but [[Talk:Tiptup|he's a whole other can of worms]]). [[User:SolemnStormcloud|SolemnStormcloud]] ([[User talk:SolemnStormcloud|talk]]) 13:30, December 22, 2024 (EST)
::Super Mario Wiki considers Banjo and Conker to not be Mario characters, straight up. In policy and everything. See paragraph 5 of [[MarioWiki:Coverage]]. So the answer is a no, I take it. [[User:Salmancer|Salmancer]] ([[User talk:Salmancer|talk]]) 13:35, December 22, 2024 (EST)
:::Well, that settles it. There's also the fact that [https://seandwalsh.tumblr.com/post/718258959825387520/since-banjo-the-bear-and-conker-the-squirrel-both Rare never considered ''Donkey Kong'', ''Banjo-Kazooie'', and ''Conker'' to share a universe in the first place]... [[User:SolemnStormcloud|SolemnStormcloud]] ([[User talk:SolemnStormcloud|talk]]) 13:39, December 22, 2024 (EST)
::::I don't consider any of the Diddy Kong Racing characters Super Mario characters. If anything, they're closer being Donkey Kong characters, a couple times removed from the Mario franchise. This category is mainly for Mario games whose characters have ownership for third parties, such as Super Mario RPG characters. But then, this just starts being a category for just Super Mario RPG characters. {{User:Mario/sig}} 16:11, December 22, 2024 (EST)
:::::I was using the name "''Super Mario''" in the context of the "meta-franchise" comprising the ''[[Super Mario (franchise)|Super Mario]]'', ''[[Yoshi (franchise)|Yoshi]]'', ''[[Donkey Kong (franchise)|Donkey Kong]]'', and ''[[Wario (franchise)|Wario]]'' franchise. I don't know what other name to use for this category that still has enough brevity—"Category:Third-party Super Mario characters" is a long enough name as is! On the plus side, characters from the ''[[Mario + Rabbids (series)|Mario + Rabbids]]'' duology have been added to this category, which I can agree to including. [[User:SolemnStormcloud|SolemnStormcloud]] ([[User talk:SolemnStormcloud|talk]]) 18:05, December 22, 2024 (EST)