Talk:Boomerang Bro

Mario & Luigi series formatting

Due to the short amount of information in the Paper Mario series section, the Mario & Luigi section is formatted badly. Simply leaving it as-is results in a very crowded look, but [br clear=all] results in too much white space. To get around this, I added 18 empty lines between the two sections, giving the page a clean formatting-look when published. I was wondering if this was okay, since it's currently the only way to make it look so good. If it is, I'd like this to serve as a warning so people won't remove the lines thinking it's a mistake. Redstar 10:36, 8 December 2009 (EST)

actually, their shells are blue,but on the picture in the main article their shell is black.the pic is too old.
The preceding unsigned comment was added by Club Penguin (talk).

Separate M&L:SS Boomerang Bro.?

They look nothing like normal Hammer Bros. (tall and skinny, with sunglasses, no boots, brown boomerangs, and purple domed helmets with sprout growing out of the top...), so I think we should give them their own article to reflect the fact that they're a different species. This is going by the same logic that split Dark Koopatrol (Super Paper Mario) from Dark Koopatrol, which led to similar splits of Dark Paratroopa and Dark Koopa. I'll make a Talk Page Proposal if I have to, but if we can come to an informal consensus, I think it'd be faster (the aforementioned Koopatrol pages were split without need of a TPP). - Walkazo 00:28, 19 February 2011 (EST)

I think they are like Troopeas; they are Bean Bean versions of them except their name remains unchanged from the normal species. When I first encountered them, I didn't think that they are a Boomerang Bro. Ray Trace^(T|C)

Since no one opposed, I split them. - Walkazo 13:53, 11 March 2011 (EST)

Merge Boomerang bros M&L:SS to Boomerang Bro.

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I feel this is necessary since the Japanese name for both simply calls them Boomerang Bro. also they share the same attack and it doesnt make sense to have them as two seperate species of the same name since we don't have anything else like that

Proposer: Iggykoopa (talk)
Deadline: 13 April 2011 23:59 (GMT)

Merge

1. Iggykoopa (talk) per my proposal
2. Reddragon19k (talk) Per him! Yay!
3. Zero777 (talk) Per proposal, also isn't the M&L:SS Hammer Bro. in the Hammer Bro. article?

Keep Split

1. Walkazo (talk) - Per what I said in the section right above this one. ("They look nothing like normal Hammer Bros. [...] so I think we should give them their own article to reflect the fact that they're a different species. This is going by the same logic that split Dark Koopatrol (Super Paper Mario) from Dark Koopatrol, which led to similar splits of Dark Paratroopa and Dark Koopa.")
2. FourPaperHeroes (talk) - Per Walkazo.

Comments

sorry if i did anything wrong im kinda new at this Iggykoopa (talk)

But those actually are different species since they have different names and please tell me is there an official source that says they are a different species and if not you must assume that they are the same sharing the same name and attacks Iggykoopa (talk)

They have different names in the French and Italian versions. Besides, just because something has the same attack doesn't automatically make it the same thing if it looks completely different: that's when you've gotta use common sense, rather than blindly going by names alone. If it quacks like a duck but looks like a peacock, odds are, it's not really a duck, and assuming it is one despite the obvious differences would be a bad idea. - Walkazo (talk)

Really so the official Japanese name which is mentioned as the proof in of point in a number of other proposals doesn't matter here is what your saying if the Japanese didn't intend for it to be the same species why would they give it the same name also your logic means nothing here since they share the same name in japan while the dark koopatrol has a totally different name in japan that means Shadow Koopatrol so tell me if it has the same name and has the same attacks why would it be a different species Iggykoopa (talk)

Generally the Japanese names are the more discerning ones, which is why we keep citing them when we want to split things that look different but have the same English name, but that's not always the case. For example, Para-Beetles and Parabuzzies have the same name in Japan (pata metto), but they're obviously different species (namely, one has legs, one doesn't), which is why we look no further than the English names and give them separate pages. Whether it's from NCL, NOA or NOE, we use the naming convention that makes the most sense given everything we know about the species. As for why it's a different species despite the name and attack, it's because it looks different, as I keep saying. You want a RL example? European blackbirds and North American blackbirds are both called blackbirds, and they attack things by pecking at them, but they're completely different kinds of birds if you look at their body shape and diet and other such details. OR, were you asking why Nintendo would have intended them to be different species even though they gave them the same name (in some regions)? BLOF already answered that question: same reason why Koopa Troopas were replaced by Troopeas (and Lakitus by Lakipeas, Spinies by Sharpeas, Paratroopas by Paratroopeas and Scaratroopeas, etc.) - to give the Beanbean Kingdom its own quirky, unique set of critters; no idea why Nintendo got lazy and didn't give the Hammer Bro. equivalents new names too (in some regions), but that's no excuse for us to be lazy too, now is it? - Walkazo 22:35, 30 March 2011 (EDT)

But your still overlooking the fact that they have the same name according to every official source unlike all those other things you just mentioned and just because they look different does not make them a different species otherwise we should split the hammer bros from super mario rpg because they look different from regular hammer bros Iggykoopa (talk)

No, you're overlooking the fact that I clearly stated that "they have different names in the French and Italian versions" in my first comment. If it wasn't official, it wouldn't be on the articles, so at least a couple folks affiliated with NOE (or possibly NOA: I'm not sure where the French came from) officially think they're different. Lots of species have small differences in different games, but the M&L:SS Boomerang Bros. are significantly different: they have sprouts growing out of their heads, for one thing. Also, the changes can't just be chocked up to style like the SMRPG designs, since the M&L:SS Hammer Bros. (which were part of the Koopa Troop) look very much like Hammer Bros. found in all the other games, and not at all like the M&L:SS non-Koopa Troop Boomerang Bros. Every other game that has both species depicts them as being nearly identical, so what would be the point of changing it up so drastically in M&L:SS if they're not meant to be different? And in fact, the Hammer Bros. are a bit fatter in M&L:SS than other games, which could have been done to make them contrast with the skinny Beanish Boomerang Bros. to an even greater extent. Point is, the different Boomerang Bro. design was clearly done on purpose, like all the other Beanish Koopa-lookalikes, whereas the same-name thing was almost certainly a goof, which was in fact caught and corrected in at least two translations. - Walkazo 23:52, 30 March 2011 (EDT)