User:Camwoodstock/sandbox
Currently housing our proposed darkmode colors for navboxes and a proposal draft. Underlined means we've adjusted it for darkmode. You can compare/contrast with this.
Colors Zone
| Series | Banner | Subbanner/Footer | Header | Subheader | Background | Class 1 | Class 2 | ||
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| Mario | General/misc | #800 | #711 | #661107 | #550703 | #441711 | #311 | mario
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| Super Mario | #820 | #721 | #661707 | #551103 | sm
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| Donkey Kong | General/misc | #82562D | #774B22 | #641 | #531 | #332207 | #221703 | dk
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| Donkey Kong Country / Land | #741 | #631 | #552C0C | #4C2707 | dkc
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| Mario vs. Donkey Kong | #851 | #775011 | #60470C | #4F3907 | mvdk
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| Arcade | #972 | #862 | #705517 | #504710 | arcade
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| Wario | General/misc | #800780 | #700570 | #600460 | #470347 | #330233 | #202 | wario
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| WarioWare | #80A | #6C00A0 | #500077 | #430057 | ww
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| Wario Land | #A0A | #808 | #707 | #505 | wl
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| Yoshi | General/misc | #080 | #171 | #161 | #0C550C | #074407 | #033303 | yoshi
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| Yoshi's Island | #177717 | #136613 | #105510 | #0C4A0C | yi
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| Luigi's Mansion porp did this actually |
#060 | #005A00 | #004D00 | #030 | #002600 | #000D00 | lm
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| Peach games | #A27 | #901766 | #771150 | #500C44 | #440733 | #33032C | peach
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| Sports games | #681 | #571 | #446607 | #335507 | #223303 | #0C2202 | sport
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| Spinoffs | Mario Kart | #AA9000 | #887000 | #665000 | #504000 | #332700 | #221C00 | spinoff
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| Mario Party | #A90 | #887C00 | #665D00 | #504E00 | mp
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| Dr. Mario | #880 | #771 | #661 | #551 | dm
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| RPGs | Paper Mario | #00A | #009 | #070777 | #070766 | #114 | #113 | rpg
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| Mario & Luigi | #079 | #058 | #073366 | #072255 | ml
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| Super Mario RPG | #159 | #148 | #137 | #112755 | smrpg
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| Crossovers | General/misc | #296 | #275 | #196640 | #195538 | #114430 | #132 | crossover
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| Super Smash Bros. | #298 | #227770 | #196655 | #195550 | ssb
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| Alternate media | #A72 | #962 | #775517 | #554017 | #3A2211 | #291907 | media
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| Former subpages | #459 | #348 | #237 | #192966 | #151544 | #131333 | subpage
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| Consoles | #666 | #555 | #333 | #222 | #171717 | #0E0E0E | console
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| Default | #444 | #393939 | #2C2C2C | #222 | #171717 | #0E0E0E | |||
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Proposal Draft
On the leading "Princess" for Peach/Daisy/Rosalina, and/or lackthereof
In July of last year, jan Misali created a proposal to remove the leading "Princess" from the article name for "Princess Daisy". This failed 15-18, as people were interested in a proposal to move Peach alongside this. In November of last year, jan Misali created a follow-up proposal do exactly this, which failed again; among other concerns regarding redirects, most of the support was split between moving both Peach and Daisy to their Princess-less counterparts, and just moving Daisy, leaving the opposition in the lead. Guess third time's the charm.
This is simple; do we remove "Princess" from the names of the Princess Peach and Princess Daisy articles? Time and time again, we've removed or truncated full names or particles to more common names. However, for whatever reason, the "Princess" particles for Peach and Daisy stick, despite Nintendo being very hit-or-miss about how required these are, especially for Daisy, whose "Princess, despite never doing anything royal outside of her debut" status has been acknowledged, officially, multiple times.
We've seen various arguments against these, and aside from "personal preference for preferring particles", which we obviously can't argue with (at least, not without looking silly), we can't say we understand the majority of them:
- Concerns were risen about removing royalty particles from other article names, such as Princess Shokora or Princess Shroob or King Bob-Omb or Prince Mush (nevermind that in his case, it's a stage name and not royalty). In those cases, the characters have never been referred to without their particles, whereas Nintendo has been fairly interchangable with Peach and Daisy's "princess" particles, especially in Daisy's case.
- Concerns have been risen about the Peach and Daisy article titles potentially referring to generic subjects; however, as of writing this proposal, both "Peach" and "Daisy" directly lead to their corresponding princesses anyways by means of redirects. Other subjects are instead given a "For <x>, see <y>" in the Princess' articles introductions. These redirects are already present as-is, and these changes wouldn't change how a search lands.
- For internet traffic, given Peach and Daisy already lead to these articles, we still fail to see how this would impact much, unless we intentionally chose to not leave a redirect after a move; it should go without saying that, if we were to make a move of this magnitude, we would absolutely be leaving a redirect.
- For the "would prefer one, but not the other" angle, we have since introduced a poll format to more adequately determine more nuanced situations like this, without risking support being split between two groups and being out-numbered overall.
- While not mentioned, we do acknowledge that some people may be concerned about the costs of labor of changing a bunch of links; however, not only could this trivially be an automated rename, something our proprietor already does fairly regularly with templates, but even if this were somehow unworkable, we already have ample tools to manually perform such a change built into MediaWiki itself.
However, to us, the real smoking gun for why a move like this would not only make sense, but be perfectly fine, has been sitting right underneath our noses the entire time. Rosalina, or should we say Princess Rosalina? Rosalina has been called a Princess from sources dating as far back as 2010 and as recently as 2023. She's commonly coliqually known as a Princess by fans. Heck, Princess Rosalina is, as of writing this proposal, a valid redirect to her article, and her infobox states her full name is "Princess Rosalina". However, her article has sat at the title of "Rosalina" since its inception back in 2007, with the Princess redirect only being made in 2014. Rosalina is a Featured Article, so her page naturally receives a lot of traffic and scrutiny, but nobody seems to have questioned if it would be worth moving her article to "Princess Rosalina" to match the other two princesses; and while one could argue that Rosalina is "not much of a princess", that naturally begets the response that neither is Daisy, who keeps the particle anyways. (Even still, if you really wanted to, we've provided an option to, in addition for what to do to the "Princess" particles in Peach & Daisy's names, if we should add one to Rosalina's name, or keep it absent.)
In addition, for right now, we will acknowledge that Daisy as she appears in the films has its own article, and the movie is an admitted blind-spot of ours; for now, we're not touching it.
Proposer: Camwoodstock (talk)
Do we have a "Princess" particle for Princess Peach?
Deadline: April 2, 2025, 23:59 GMT
- Yes Princess (status quo)
- No Princess
- Camwoodstock (talk) Per proposal. While we think the arguments for keeping Peach's particle are the strongest, namely since we have an entire game from 2024 with the particle in the name, we do think if we remove this from Daisy, we should naturally remove this from Peach.
Do we have a "Princess" particle for Princess Daisy?
Deadline: April 2, 2025, 23:59 GMT
- Yes Princess (status quo)
- No Princess
- Camwoodstock (talk) Per proposal. To be honest, this has never been a contest for us; as far back as flavor text in Mario Party 9, Nintendo has acknowledged the lack of royalty to Daisy's character.
Do we have a "Princess" particle for Princess Rosalina?
Deadline: April 2, 2025, 23:59 GMT
- Yes Princess
- No Princess (status quo)
- Camwoodstock (talk) Per proposal. We hope we've made it apparent that we think adding the particle to Rosalina's article is very silly indeed, especially decades after the fact and when Rosalina is about as much of a princess as Daisy.
