Talk:Big Blooper
Moving to Big Blooper.
This page shouldn't be moved to Big Blooper because Mega Blooper is a different character. Greenpianta (talk) 13:24, February 23, 2020 (EST)
- Yeah, I agree. The two are completely different.
16:30, February 23, 2020 (EST)
- See here. The point is not to merge them with that, but to move that to "Big Blooper (Super Paper Mario)" and merge this with Super Blooper and the TTYD/SSBfWU Big Blooper, moving the result to Big Blooper, as that is its most recent name. That's why the template says "move" and not "merge." Now, since our rename template's "discuss" link is stupid and can't be made to point to another page's talk page like the merge ones can, that bit is not fixable. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 17:48, February 23, 2020 (EST)
Legendary Blooper
Where should Paper Mario: The Origami King's Legendary Blooper fit in? It's much smaller in size than the other Big Blooper seen in the game, the one holding the sign. Plus, the Japanese script doesn't seem to give it a distinct name. Scrooge200 (talk) 
23:57, November 11, 2020 (EST)
- I'd presume either consider it a notable member or merge it with regular Blooper since it's just the 400cm Blooper when fishing. Same goes for the Legendary Cheep Cheep. LinkTheLefty (talk) 12:38, November 12, 2020 (EST)
Reorganizing early Paper Mario Big Bloopers
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only affects TTYD boss 4-1-1
See here. The easy stuff is out of way now. The trickier question is how to handle the Bloopers from the earlier Paper Mario games. To recap:
- Paper Mario - The Super Blooper is described by Goombario as a large-sized Blooper in relation to the other two Blooper bosses. Its Japanese name is also literally 「ビッグゲッソー」 (Biggu Gessō, Big Blooper), wherein "Biggu" was sometimes applied to ordinary big-sized enemies (although more notably used for Yoshi's Island bosses, which are normally treated separately). However, given that it is shown directly spawning Blooper Babies on-screen (as opposed to Dance Dance Revolution: Mario Mix, where they just show up as two-dimensional images from the bottom of the screen), the Super Blooper can specifically be considered a type of Blooper Nanny. As such, a big Blooper Nanny from the Super Mario Maker series can potentially be treated as a Super Blooper. So this will have two options on its own: either consider Super Blooper a Big Blooper or a big Blooper Nanny, which will affect Super Mario Maker coverage. (Note that this would necessitate changing the current identifier.)
- Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door - The Blooper boss fought by Mario is only known as a "Blooper" in this game, despite its large size. However, regular-sized Bloopers are later encountered in Bowser's underwater platforming section. Additionally, a large-sized Blooper appears in the Paper Mario stage in Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS and Super Smash Bros. Ultimate, and while the whale from the first game also makes a cameo in the S.S. Flavion section, its design most closely points to this particular Blooper. In all languages, it is identified as a "Big Blooper" via tips. This will be the primary focus of the proposal. With the original game depicting two different Blooper sizes and the Super Smash Bros. depiction seemingly identifying the same subject as a Big Blooper, the big boss will be primarily covered under Big Blooper instead of Blooper, while the regular-sized Bloopers will be primarily covered in the main Blooper article.
- Super Paper Mario - The original discussion included this game as a possibility. However, I've since changed my mind on including it, as this specific one is mentioned in Blooper's Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS trophy. I may add it for completion's sake if there's a demand for it, but I no longer stand by it and it's probably best to consider it a notable Big Blooper like the current case.
Note that the more recent Legendary Blooper from Paper Mario: The Origami King is beyond the scope of this proposal, as that best involves consistency with the game's Legendary Cheep Cheep.
Proposer: LinkTheLefty (talk)
Deadline: March 29, 2022, 23:59 GMT
Only The Thousand-Year Door boss
- LinkTheLefty (talk) - Preferred option. I honestly think this one is clear-cut.
- Hewer (talk) Per proposal.
- Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) - I'm for this solely because I'm still erring to keep the "biggu" enemies separate at this juncture; I wouldn't consider Super Blooper a Blooper Nanny because it actively spawns the babies rather than just a fixed number appearing by default.
- Tails777 (talk) Per proposal.
The above, and Paper Mario's Super Blooper is also a Big Blooper
- LinkTheLefty (talk) - Secondary option. As noted, certain qualities tend to be mixed and matched.
The above, and Paper Mario's Super Blooper is a big Blooper Nanny
- LinkTheLefty (talk) - Tertiary option. Far from favored, but I'll accept.
Keep as is
Comments
What exactly does 'Only The Thousand-Year Door boss' mean? Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 17:19, March 15, 2022 (EDT)
- It means that only the "Blooper" boss from The Thousand-Year Door, which is noticeably a lot bigger than the Blooper enemy seen elsewhere in the game and is represented in the Super Smash Bros. series as "Big Blooper", would be reorganized under Big Blooper; Super Blooper from Paper Mario would remain unaffected. LinkTheLefty (talk) 17:39, March 15, 2022 (EDT)
I'd still rather go by what the game considers the subject as like with Piranha Plants/Fire Piranha Plants, but if the first option wins I think the main Blooper page should still mention the TTYD boss rather than everything only being covered on the Big Blooper page. 
Nightwicked Bowser 
18:55, March 15, 2022 (EDT)
- Of couse, the main Blooper page will still mention the game's big "Blooper" boss regardless of how the proposal passes, just the specifics/subject will be in more detail and link there instead (also, for reasons I'll get into when I get around to adding Super Mario 64/DS Shogakukan guide info, I'd hold that thought about Fire Piranhas for another time). LinkTheLefty (talk) 19:13, March 15, 2022 (EDT)
- In case of Fire Piranha, there were cases like the MvsDK games where they come in non-fiery and fiery variants, but were all just called Piranha Plants, and we decided to keep those split. TTYD's Blooper is more on that principle. See also how we handle Super Mario Galaxy's big Pokeys. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 01:55, March 19, 2022 (EDT)
Split Blooper (Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door) from Big Blooper
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Put simply, I do not understand why the Blooper boss from TTYD does not have its own page when similar bosses from PM64 and SPM have their own. I am aware of the discussion above and on Big Blooper (Super Paper Mario), and I definitely agree that the TTYD Blooper boss is a Big Blooper. However, I think it makes more sense for it to have its own page, where it is labeled as a specific Big Blooper (as in, the species section of the character infobox), and it can still be mentioned and linked to in the Big Blooper page like the other PM bosses. Having its own page would allow for a more detailed discussion on not only its boss fight mechanics (and easier access for those looking for info, especially considering the TTYD remake releasing), but its cameo in Super Smash Bros., its quotes in the game, and a gallery. It also allows for consistency between the three Paper Mario games and how these specific bosses are handled (they all have their own pages in addition to mentions here).
To summarize: The Blooper boss from The Thousand-Year Door should have its own page, while still being linked here and considered a Big Blooper, due to it being a boss and character, and for ease of finding information on it.
Proposer: Technetium (talk)
Deadline: July 30, 2024, 23:59 GMT
Support
- Technetium (talk) As proposer.
Oppose
- Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) - I could see Super Blooper being merged here, but the SPM boss is explicitly a unique individual, being labeled as a "king" in the Japanese script. The TTYD boss is just treated as a Blooper who happens to be supersized.
- DryBonesBandit (talk) Per Doc.
Comments
I'd argue the TTYD Blooper is considered more than just a Blooper, considering its prevalence in, say, the game's credits, especially so in the remake. Its fight is unique from other Big Bloopers with the two tentacles and falling off the ceiling mechanics, and I think it is important to have all the information about the boss in one location, rather than spread around in and drowned out in a larger page. The names in other languages for the tentacles also feels quite odd on this page. I feel as though it is just as notable as an individual as the SPM Big Blooper - I personally think too much emphasis is being placed on names here. From an organizational and convivence point of view, it just makes more sense to split it. I also think PM Super Blooper should stay split, too, for the same reasons. I think I could make a sandbox page for what the split would look like, which would hopefully get my thoughts out better. --Technetium (talk) 17:55, July 16, 2024 (EDT)
