MarioWiki:Proposals

Proposals can be new features (such as an extension), removal of a previously added feature that has tired out, or new policies that must be approved via consensus before any action(s) are done. Any user can support or oppose, but must have a strong reason for doing so, not, e.g., "I like this idea!" "Vote" periods last for one week. All past proposals are archived. A proposal section works like a discussion page: comments are brought up and replied to using indents (colons, such as : or ::::) and all edits are signed using the code {{user|User name}}. Signing with the signature code ~~~(~) is not allowed due to technical issues. How To Actions that users feel are appropriate to have community approval first can be added by anyone, but they must have a strong argument. Users then vote and discuss on the issue during that week. The "deadline" for the proposal is one week from posting at: Monday to Thursday: 17:00 (5pm) Friday and Saturday: 20:00 (8pm) Sunday: 15:00 (3pm) Every vote should have a reason accompanying it. At any time a vote may be rejected if at least three active users believe the vote truly has no merit or was cast in bad faith. However, there must be strong reasons supporting the invalidation. "# " should be added under the last vote of each support/oppose section to show another blank line. Any proposal that has three votes or less at deadline will automatically be listed as "NO QUORUM." The original proposer then has the option to relist said proposal to generate more discussion. All proposals are archived. The original proposer must take action accordingly if the outcome of the proposal dictates it. If it requires the help of a sysop, the proposer can ask for that help. There are two topics that cannot be decided on through a proposal: the first is sysop promotions and demotions, which are decided by Bureaucrats. Secondly, no proposals calling for the creation of Banjo and Conker articles are allowed (several proposals supporting them have failed in recent history). The times are in EDT, and are set so that the user is more likely to be online at those times (after work/school, weekend nights). If a proposal is added on Saturday night at 11:59 PM EDT, the deadline is the next Saturday night at 8:00 PM. If it is a minute later, the deadline is a day plus 15 hours (Sunday), as opposed to a day minus 4 hours. CURRENTLY: 17:30, 2 December 2024 (EDT) New Features No proposal at the moment. Removals None at the moment. Splits & Merges Grandma Toadstool A little bit of history before the proposal: in The Super Mario Bros. Super Show! episode "Little Red Riding Princess" (1989), the character Grandma Toadstool was introduced as Peach's grandmother. This was her official name, as seen on her mailbox, and it was a proper noun (ex. "Baby Mario" rather than "baby Mario"). Grandma Toadstool was a human character who lived in the Mushroom Woods. Later, in Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars (1996), a Toad character living in the Mushroom Castle appeared under the improper name, "Toadstool's grandma"/"Toadstool's grandmother." (note improper capitalization). Currently, our article named Grandma Toadstool is a joint article about both characters. The writers speculate that the two characters are the same person. However, I'm proposing that we split the article into two articles: one for each grandmother. Here's my reasoning: as seen in the Paper Mario, family structure in the Mushroom World is similar to non-fictional human family structure (Goombario's family and others). It is only logical that Princess Toadstool would have two grandmothers. This proposal aims to end the conjecture that the two characters with different names are the same person when they look entirely different. However, we can of course note the possibility that the two characters are the same on their respective articles, and I will include a template at the top of the articles linking to the other grandmother to avoid confusion. Proposer: Stumpers (talk) Deadline: August 7th, 2008, 17:00 Support Stumpers (talk) The two characters have nothing in common (not even species) and it is conceivable that Toadstool would have two grandmothers. Cobold (talk) Two entirely different characters with the same name have been split in the past. Stooben Rooben (talk) - Per Stumpers and Cobold. 02:43, 2 August 2008 (EDT) Luigi001 (talk)Per Stumpers. tanokkitails (talk) per all Glitchman (talk) I would have said no, but Stumpers's reasoning finally convinced me. I can't say no to his proposals. Walkazo (talk) - Per Stumpers. Oppose Comments Just for the record, if this passes the page names will be "Grandma Toadstool" for the SMBSS character and "Toadstool's grandmother" for the SMRPG one unless someone has an official name for the latter. (and can back it up!) Stumpers (talk) 18:39, 1 August 2008 (EDT) Is a Toad really Peach's grandmother? If that was true, wouldn't Peach have some sort of Toad-like feature? Anyway, some people consider the Super Mario Bros. Super Show to be alternate canon since it wasn't made by Nintendo. So, uh, the one from the show might not canonically be one of Peach's grandmothers. But sure, split the page if you guys think it's a good idea. CrystalYoshi (talk) 21:15, 4 August 2008 (EDT) Alternate canon simply means, according to Son of Suns, sources of unconfirmed connection to the main series of video games, so it's really not an issue whether it is alternate canon or not. I wouldn't assume that Rosalina and Peach were the same character if one came from alternate canon sources, so I wouldn't consider Peach's grandmothers to be the same character. By the way, if you want to consider only content made by Nintendo to be canon, then Super Mario RPG (made by SquareSoft) is also non-canon, and therefore both grandmothers would be, "non-canon." Stumpers (talk) Wow, canonicity's become a real hot topic all of a sudden. Anyway, there's been speculation that calling the Toad "Grandma" is just a term of endearment, based on Peach's lack of mushroomness, so there's a good chance they're not blood relations. And speaking of speculation, I think the article's assertion that Grandma Toadstool is the King's mother is wrong, seeing as one Granny lived in a woodland cottage, and the other didn't seem like the "King Mother"/"ex-Queen"-type. Even if we say the grandmothers are from either side, it's still questionable who mothered who, as it's been revelaed that King Toadstool is a human, and the reigning monarch, meaning his parents were the former rulers, and are now (or at least his father, if grandma married into the family) are dead (and certainly not living in the woods). Speculation makes a mess of things. And remember to use {{User|___}} here, please. - Walkazo (talk) Yeah, we're going to have to fix that. Instead of saying that she is on the paternal side, we could instead say that, "Because Grandma Toadstool, King Toadstool, and Princess Toadstool all share the same surname, Grandma Toadstool may be the mother of the king and the princess's paternal grandmother, although no official source has confirmed this." I suppose that a woman could end up living in the Mushroom Woods rather than a more... elegant location because of King Koopa's reign over the Mushroom Kingdom during the SMBSS, but then we're getting into speculation again. Princess Peach explicitly states that Grandma Toadstool is her grandmother, she doesn't say which side. Speaking of, is there any line in SMRPG that confirms that Toadstool's grandmother is actually her grandmother? Stumpers (talk) Species from Adventure Mode In Melee Okay, as many of you already know, we merged the Subspace Emissary enemies in to one article. But I noticed recently that the enemies from Adventure mode in Melee, such as Like Like, Octorok, Redead, Polar Bear, and others still have articles by themselves. I propose these should all be merged into one article, followed by their trophy descrpition, similar to the Subspace Emissary article. Those enemy articles virtually have nothing to do with Mario, and are likely not worthy enough of having their own articles. Proposer: Garlic Man (talk) Deadline: August 14th, 2008, 17:00 Support Garlic Man (talk) Per my proposal. (I haven't made one in a while, I just realized...) Blitzwing (talk) - Per Garlic. Stumpers (talk) - Merging/Splitting really shows our position on importance, so this is good if we want to take the importance of of SSB, but still keep the info. tanokkitails (talk)-per all Walkazo (talk) - Per all. Oppose Comments If this proposal goes through, what exactly would be the page that would have the enemies? Palkia47 (talk) I agree with this proposal, but i tihnk we should also get rid of minor stage-hazard like Tingle or Ultimate chimera (Or whatever the heck it's spell) Blitzwing (talk) Palkia: I haven't decided what the article name would be, but I guess something like "List of Adventure Mode Enemies" or something along those lines. Blitz: Those articles should probably be merged with the stage themselves. (Though Tingle has a different role in Brawl than he does in Melee). Garlic Man (talk) Changes Bios I have noticed, that the people's pages (i.e. Satoru Iwata) haven't got many or any information about their lives, childhood, etc. So i propse to add a decent bio to the most important pages. Proposer: User:Tucayo Deadline: August 7th, 2008, 17:00 Support Stooben Rooben (talk) - While it may not have much to do with Mario, I agree that the articles should be much larger. The Deanna Mustard article is fantastic (in my opinion), because it contains a lot about her life and how she got to be a voice actor. Tucayo (talk) - Per my proposal. Mario Gamer (talk) - Just because it doesn't directly relate to the Mario Wiki doesn't mean it's not an interesting read this website can provide someone with. I don't understand why people would vote against adding length to a relatively empty page. Luigi001 (talk)Per Stooben Rooben. The people do have a connection to the Mario series (voice acting, production, etc.) and we are a wiki covering anything Mario related, so the people deserve good bios. Per all. -Canama Oppose Palkia47 (talk) - No, as it has nothing to do with the Mario Wiki. As seen in my past proposals and other places, we are not to create/add info that have nothing to do with the Mario/DK/Yoshi/Wario/SSB series'. This possibly goes for profiles/bios for real life people whom had some kind of relation to Mario via creating games, etc. Mrsdaisyluigi (talk) Per Palkia47. Per Palkia Toadette 4evur (talk) DaWeegeeMan (talk) Per Palkia Goomb-omb (talk) only information related to mario should be added. example: Charles Martinet's favorite type of milkshake has nothing to do with his voice acting. Stumpers (talk) This proposal is not as specific as it should be. To what extent are you asking that we include information? As Goomb-omb said, you could conceivably use this proposal to justify putting in bits of trivia like favorite milkshakes. I really believe that our current policy on biographies is all that is needed: if anything lead up to a person's involvement, it can be lightly referenced, as can the reasons they left. Time Q (talk): Per Palkia and Stumpers. Walkazo (talk) - Per Stumpers. While minimalistic articles are a pain, this proposal would basically mean everything goes, which it shouldn't. If people really want to read about the person in-depth, they can always use the external links. Tanokkitails (talk)-as palkia47 said, they have absolutely nothing to do with the wiki. Comments You're allowed to include any information about what lead to their current position in the Mario production process. For example, with Lou Albano you would briefly mention that he earned his fame first as a wrestler and then as an wrestling manager, and eventually he started doing TV work. Then he was contacted to read for Mario and blah, blah, blah. At this point you get specific because it's about his role in the Super Show! rather than information about his life prior. So, as it stands you are allowed to lightly touch on what you're talking about as long as it pertains in someway to their role later in life. Reasons for leaving (if applicable) should also be mentioned. You could also mention a short bit about what they did after their involvement, but again, just touch on it. Stumpers (talk) Additionally, a link could be provided to a persons Wikipedia article in case the reader would like further information. -- Ghost Jam (talk) Palkia47 opposing something because it "has nothing to do with Mario"? Ohhhh the irony! Blitzwing (talk) ...I'm taking that has sarcasm or an insult. Needless to say, should I remove my vote? Palkia47 (talk) Is Tucayo going to support his own proposal or not? Pikax (talk) Wow, i tought i had alredy did, but it seems that me didn't The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tucayo (talk). This proposal isn't specific enough. Yes, I think a "decent bio" would be helpful, but I also agree with Palkia and Stumpers that we shouldn't cover aspects which aren't related to Mario. What should I vote for then? Could you please clarify what you're aiming to achieve with this proposal, Tucayo? Time Q (talk) I second this. The proposal should be such that voting against it maintains the norm. If I vote against it, am I saying that I don't want there to be, "decent bios" for real people? Stumpers (talk) For those of you opposing, this is a section from the Deanna Mustard article: "Deanna enjoyed school, was involved in choir and theater, and kept busy outside of school with dance. Participating in extra curricular activities introduced Deanna to a diverse group of peers. Deanna did not always want to be an actor though. She was interested in dance for most of her childhood, and wasn't actually introduced to theater until high school when she decided to audition for a one act play written by another student. Deanna was then approached by the drama teacher who persuaded her to sign up for her class. Deanna did, and she fell in love with it. Deanna's first job was working for her grandparents, where she would answer the office telephone and file papers. As a senior, Mustard was in an advanced drama class, and graduated in 1999. Deanna joined the theater department at Cornish College of the Arts in the fall, and she received her degree in acting in the spring of 2003. Deanna loved playing Gertrude Stein in a piece called "Notorious Women." Deanna researched the role, which she has stated was a challenge. Deanna also has a special place in her hear for the character Darla Danson." Now what part of that is anything close to Mario related? Garlic Man (talk) If you're gonna oppose, then you might as well fix the other articles first. Okay... what exactly are you trying to say? And please sign with {{User|__}} here. Anyway, how about this version: Deanna was interested in dance for most of her childhood, only being introduced to theatre in high school when she decided to audition for a one act play written by another student. Deanna was then approached by the drama teacher and was persuaded to sign up for her class. Aside from dance and her newfound love for theatre, Deanna was involved in choir, and enjoyed school as a whole. After taking an advanced drama class in her senior year, Deanna graduated in 1999 and joined the theater department at Cornish College of the Arts in the fall, receiving her degree in acting in the spring of 2003. Ironically, her first job had nothing to do with neither acting nor dance; she answered the office telephone and filed papers for her grandparents. It's shorter, and keeps all the important information about her education and career path. If people want more, they should go elsewhere. - Walkazo (talk) Yeah, the information might be important, but it's not Mario-Related. And that's why the opposers are opposing, because the bios would be "Non-Mario-Related". But there's plenty of non-mario-related info on Deanna Mustard. I was just wondering why they just let that one slip by. Garlic Man (talk) Maybe it was because it was a Featured Article. The article needs this info to pretty much be a Featured Article. Palkia47 (talk) Exactly. That article would not be featured, without the long biography. However, non-mario-related info is not supposed to be there. And the info that's not supposed to be there, made that article featured. Which is pretty ironic. Garlic Man (talk) It's like I said above: we already can discuss their life overall, so yes we will have to trim down Deanna's article slightly. What we're opposing are articles that would go on and on and on about one's childhood experiences, trivial things like favorite foods, or complete lists of all movies and TV shows a person has acted for (filmography). Stumpers! 18:22, 7 August 2008 (EDT) Catch Card Locations As I ran across the List of Catch Cards page, I noticed that the locations of the catch cards are not listed whatsoever. I found this rather...disappointing. So here's what I propose: Add an additional brief description as to the location of each catch card. This would include city (i.e. Lineland), if one must flip or enter a pipe to reach the card, and perhaps the chapter in which it is located to the List of Catch Cards article. I'd also like to note that I do not know the locations of really any catch cards, so I will need help from some other, more experienced Super Paper Mario players. Thanks in advance for whoever helps. Proposer: Stooben Rooben (talk) Deadline: August 14, 2008, 17:00 Support Stooben Rooben (talk) - I am the proposer, thus my reasons are stated above. Dom (talk) - This might sound biased because I'm a huge fan of Stooben - but I like this idea - I mean, why aren't the locations there? Although, it could get a bit repetitive since many cards are obtained by using a Catch Card or Catch Card SP on the enemy...so, hmm. Nah, it doesn't matter... Luigi001 (talk) Per all. Walkazo (talk) - Per all. Oppose Phoenix Rider As I stated on the Catch Card discussion page, the majority of Catch Cards must be purchased, and even then, the location list would really just become a list of enemy locations, which can be found at each enemy's respective page. Comments Per Dom and Pheonix. Although helpful, the repetitive occurrence of many of the cards may be a bother. Perhaps we can make it work, by displaying the locations of the cards that are NOT obtainable by a Catch Card? Furthermore, almost every obtainable card in the game may also be bought in a Card Shop respectively. Honestly, I believe this may just confuse some people, but it has potential of working. Just keep in mind that the repetition for over 90% of the cards may state something similar to this: Title; Lineland, Catch Card, Card Shop. File:Ominous.png--Ominous 22:23, 7 August 2008 (EDT) Miscellaneous None at the moment.