MarioWiki:Proposals

Current time: Wednesday, December 18th, 02:05 GMT

Proposals can be new features, the removal of previously-added features that have tired out, or new policies that must be approved via consensus before any action is taken. Voting periods last for two weeks, but can close early or be extended (see below). Any autoconfirmed user can support or oppose, but must have a strong reason for doing so. All proposals must be approved by a majority of voters, including proposals with more than two options. For past proposals, see the proposal archive and the talk page proposal archive.

If you would like to get feedback on an idea before formally proposing it here, you may do so on the proposals talk. For talk page proposals, you can discuss the changes on the talk page itself before creating the TPP there.

How to

If someone has an idea about improving the wiki or managing its community, but feel that they need community approval before acting upon that idea, they may make a proposal about it. They must have a strong argument supporting their idea and be willing to discuss it in detail with other users, who will then vote on whether or not they think the idea should be implemented. Proposals should include links to all relevant pages and writing guidelines. Proposals must include a link to the draft page. Any pages that would be largely affected by the proposal should be marked with {{proposal notice}}.

Rules

1. Only autoconfirmed users may create or vote on proposals. Anyone is free to comment on proposals (provided that the page's protection level allows them to edit).
2. Proposals conclude at the end of the day (23:59) two weeks after voting starts (all times GMT).
   • For example, if a proposal is added at any time on Monday, August 1, 2011, the voting starts immediately and the deadline is two weeks later on Monday, August 15, at 23:59 GMT.
3. Users may vote for more than one option, but they may not vote for every option available.
4. Every vote should have a strong, sensible reason accompanying it. Agreeing with a previously mentioned reason given by another user is accepted (including "per" votes), but tangential comments, heavy sarcasm, and other misleading or irrelevant quips are just as invalid as providing no reason at all.
5. Users who feel that certain votes were cast in bad faith or which truly have no merit can address the votes in the comments section. Users can ask a voter to clarify their position, point out mistakes or flaws in their arguments, or call for the outright removal of the vote if it lacks sufficient reasoning. Users may not remove or alter the content of anyone else's votes. Voters can remove or rewrite their own vote(s) at any time, but the final decision to remove another user's vote lies solely with the wiki staff.
   • Users can also use the comments section to bring up any concerns or mistakes in regards to the proposal itself. In such cases, it's important the proposer addresses any concerns raised as soon as possible. Even if the supporting side might be winning by a wide margin, that should be no reason for such questions to be left unanswered. They may point out any missing details that might have been overlooked by the proposer, so it's a good idea as the proposer to check them frequently to achieve the most accurate outcome possible.
6. If a user makes a vote and is subsequently blocked for any amount of time, their vote is removed. However, if the block ends before the proposal ends, then the user in question holds the right to re-cast their vote. If a proposer is blocked, their vote is removed and "(blocked)" is added next to their name in the "Proposer:" line of the proposal, which runs until its deadline as normal. If the proposal passes, it falls to the supporters of the idea to enact any changes in a timely manner.
7. Proposals cannot contradict an already ongoing proposal or overturn the decision of a previous proposal that concluded less than four weeks (28 days) ago.
8. If one week before a proposal's initial deadline, the first place option is ahead of the second place option by eight or more votes and the first place option has at least 80% approval, then the proposal concludes early. Wiki staff may tag a proposal with "Do not close early" at any time to prevent an early close, if needed.
   • Tag the proposal with {{early notice}} if it is on track for an early close. Use {{proposal check|early=yes}} to perform the check.
9. Any proposal where none of the options have at least four votes will be extended for another week. If after three extensions, no options have at least four votes, the proposal will be listed as "NO QUORUM." The original proposer then has the option to relist said proposal to generate more discussion.
10. If a proposal reaches its deadline and there is a tie for first place, then the proposal is extended for another week.
11. If a proposal reaches its deadline and the first place option is ahead of the second place option by three or more votes, then the first place option must have over 50% approval to win. If the margin is only one or two votes, then the first place option must have at least 60% approval to win. If the required approval threshold is not met, then the proposal is extended for another week.
    • Use {{proposal check}} to automate this calculation; see the template page for usage instructions and examples.
12. Proposals can be extended a maximum of three times. If a consensus has not been reached by the fourth deadline, then the proposal fails and cannot be re-proposed until at least four weeks after the last deadline.
13. All proposals are archived. The original proposer must take action accordingly if the outcome of the proposal dictates it. If it requires the help of an administrator, the proposer can ask for that help.
14. After a proposal passes, it is added to the appropriate list of "unimplemented proposals" below and is removed once it has been sufficiently implemented.
15. If the wiki staff deem a proposal unnecessary or potentially detrimental to the upkeep of the Super Mario Wiki, they have the right to cancel it at any time.
16. Proposals can only be rewritten or canceled by their proposer within the first four days of their creation. However, proposers can request that their proposal be canceled by a staff member at any time, provided they have a valid reason for it. Please note that canceled proposals must also be archived.
17. Unless there is major disagreement about whether certain content should be included, there should not be proposals about creating, expanding, rewriting, or otherwise fixing up pages. To organize efforts about improving articles on neglected or completely missing subjects, try setting up a collaboration thread on the forums.
18. Proposals cannot be made about promotions and demotions. Staff changes are discussed internally and handled by the bureaucrats.
19. No joke proposals. Proposals are serious wiki matters and should be handled professionally. Joke proposals will be deleted on sight.
20. Proposals must have a status quo option (e.g. Oppose, Do nothing) unless the status quo itself violates policy.

Basic proposal and support/oppose format

Below is an example of what your proposal must look like. If you are unsure how to set up this format, simply copy the following and paste it into the fitting section. When updating the bracketed variables with actual information, be sure to replace the whole variable including the squared brackets, so "[insert info here]" becomes "This is the inserted information" and not "[This is the inserted information]". Proposals presenting multiple alternative courses of action can have more than two voting options, but the objective(s) of each voting option must be clearly defined. Such options should also be kept to a minimum, and if something comes up in the comments, the proposal can be amended as necessary.

===[insert a title for your proposal here]===
[describe what issue this proposal is about and what changes you think should be made to improve how the wiki handles that issue]

'''Proposer''': {{User|[enter your username here]}}<br>
'''Deadline''': {{subst:#time:F j, Y|+2 weeks}}, 23:59 GMT

====Support====
#{{User|[enter your username here]}} [make a statement indicating that you support your proposal]

====Oppose====

====Comments====

Autoconfirmed users will now be able to vote on your proposal. Remember that you can vote on your own proposal just like the others.

To vote for an option, just insert #{{User|[add your username here]}} at the bottom of the section of your choice. Just don't forget to add a valid reason for your vote behind that tag if you are voting on another user's proposal. If you are voting on your own proposal, you can simply say "Per proposal".

Talk page proposals

Proposals concerning a single page or a limited group of pages are held on the most relevant talk page regarding the matter. All of the above proposal rules also apply to talk page proposals. Place {{TPP}} under the section's header, and once the proposal is over, replace the template with {{settled TPP}}. Proposals dealing with a large amount of splits, merges, or deletions across the wiki should still be held on this page.

All active talk page proposals must be listed below in chronological order (new proposals go at the bottom) using {{TPP discuss}}. Include a brief description of the proposal while also mentioning any pages affected by it, a link to the talk page housing the discussion, and the deadline. If the proposal involves a page that is not yet made, use {{fake link}} to communicate its title in the description. Linking to pages not directly involved in the talk page proposal is not recommended, as it clutters the list with unnecessary links.

List of ongoing talk page proposals

• Move Shadow (character) to Shadow (Sonic the Hedgehog) (discuss) Deadline: December 23, 2024, 23:59 GMT
• Merge Shy Guy's Space Buffet into Bowser's Warped Orbit (discuss) Deadline: December 25, 2024, 23:59 GMT
• Move "Rare Ltd." to "Rareware" or "Rare" (discuss) Deadline: December 25, 2024, 23:59 GMT
• Make changes to List of Smash Taunt characters (discuss) Deadline: December 27, 2024, 23:59 GMT
• Tighten Category:Deceased characters (discuss) Deadline: December 27, 2024, 23:59 GMT
• Merge Cascading Stone, vanishing platform, and moon platform with Falling Platform (discuss) Deadline: December 28, 2024, 23:59 GMT

Unimplemented proposals

Proposals

Break alphabetical order in enemy lists to list enemy variants below their base form, EvieMaybe (ended May 21, 2024)

Standardize sectioning for Super Mario series game articles, Nintendo101 (ended July 3, 2024)

^ NOTE: Not yet integrated for the Super Mario Maker titles, Super Mario Run, and Super Mario Bros. Wonder.

Create new sections for gallery pages to cover "unused/pre-release/prototype/etc." graphics separate from the ones that appear in the finalized games, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 2, 2024)

Add film and television ratings to Template:Ratings, TheUndescribableGhost (ended October 1, 2024)

Use the classic and classic-link templates when discussing classic courses in Mario Kart Tour, YoYo (ended October 2, 2024)

Clarify coverage of the Super Smash Bros. series, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended October 17, 2024)

Remove all subpage and redirect links from all navigational templates, JanMisali (ended October 31, 2024)

Prioritize MESEN/NEStopia palette for NES sprites and screenshots, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended November 3, 2024)

Stop considering reused voice clips as references (usually), Waluigi Time (ended November 8, 2024)

Allow English names from closed captions, Koopa con Carne (ended November 12, 2024)

^ NOTE: A number of names coming from closed captions are listed here.

Split off the Mario Kart Tour template(s), MightyMario (ended November 24, 2024)

Split major RPG appearances of recurring locations, EvieMaybe (ended December 16, 2024)

Talk page proposals

Split all the clothing, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 12, 2021)

Split machine parts, Robo-Rabbit, and flag from Super Duel Mode, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 30, 2022)

Make bestiary list pages for the Minion Quest and Bowser Jr.'s Journey modes, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended January 11, 2024)

Allow separate articles for Diddy Kong Pilot (2003)'s subjects, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended August 3, 2024)

Create articles for specified special buildings in Super Mario Run, Salmancer (ended November 15, 2024)

Expand and rename List of characters by game to List of characters by first appearance, Hewer (ended November 20, 2024)

Determine how to handle the Tattle Log images from Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door (Nintendo Switch), Technetium (ended November 30, 2024)

Merge False Character and Fighting Polygon/Wireframe/Alloy/Mii Teams into List of Super Smash Bros. series bosses, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended December 2, 2024)

Writing guidelines

None at the moment.

New features

A Hamburger in Super Smash Bros. Brawl For Everyone

A Hamburger in Super Smash Bros. Brawl.

I was sifting through new files the other day, and I happen to think "What could make this job better?" Well, the obvious answer was A Hamburger in Super Smash Bros. Brawl.

So, I'm proposing that we have A Hamburger in Super Smash Bros. Brawl available to any and all of our editors 24/7. Flavors include pie flavor and freedom (due to monitory constraints, it might be wise to limit ourselves to just those flavors). Further, these A Hamburger in Super Smash Bros. Brawls would be made and hand delivered by the A Hamburger in Super Smash Bros. Brawl Button, using its, and I quote, "1337 wiki skillz".

Think about this for a moment. If out active users had a hot, fresh A Hamburger straight from Super Smash Bros. Brawl hand delivered to them while they edit....well, just think of the high quality articles that we would gain. A full, satisfied Hamburger in Super Smash Bros. Brawl is a power force.

Proposer: Hewbert P. Edia (talk)
Deadline: November 3, 2024, 15:00 EDT

Delicious A Hamburger in Super Smash Bros. Brawl

1. Hewbert P. Edia (talk)
2. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) ADD HAMBURGER AND PIE! PLUS PINK BURGERS TO SATISFY PINK DONKEY KONG SENIOR(PS. I thought Pink DK Sr. was Cranky Kong in a color phase when TV turned from black and white to color) AND ALSO HAVE THEM IN EVERY SMASH PAGE, nay, EVERY MARIO WIKI PAGE!!!!!!!
3. Yoshi Hater (talk) YASS!!!1!1
4. Power Flotzo (talk) borgr in barwl
5. Anime Hater (talk) Might as well.
6. Food Lover (talk) YES YES YES YES!!!
7. Meh (talk) Meh.
8. FOOD FOR LIFE!!!! (talk) YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
9. Paimon (talk) I'm glad I won't be eaten this year.

No A Hamburger in Super Smash Bros. Brawl for You (AKA TOO MUCH SMASH COVERAGE)

1. Hewberger (talk) - This is pure nonsense.
2. Pink Donkey Kong Sr. (talk) hotpink
3. Arend (talk) Why not A Hamburger in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate?
4. Tails777 (talk) As someone who just finished their shift at McDonald’s, I say no hamburger.

I want to go to Hamburg.

1. Wynn Liaw (talk) I've never been there.

Comments

I vote for A Hamburger in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate instead of A Hamburger in Super Smash Bros. Brawl...

...er, yes, what exactly are you trying to say? Hewberger (talk) 10:43, April 1, 2024 (EDT)

What we mean to say is th===one of every food and driink===

You all don't seem to understand just how 1337 the A Hamburger in Super Smash Bros. Brawl Button really is. It is so damn 1337 that it can actually hax0r a piece of A Hamburger in Super Smash Bros. Brawl, physically, through your computer screen. There is nothing virtual about it. Hewbert P. Edia (talk) 13:17, April 1, 2024 (EDT)

I cant believe that 3 voters are voting for A Hamburger in Super Smash Bros. Brawl, THIS IS A NONSENSE! Hewberger (talk) 13:17, April 1, 2024 (EDT)

I gotta ask, though: why did you pick the name "Hewberger" if you hate hamburgers so much? Sorry if it's a sensitive question or something, I'm just curious. rend (talk) (edits) 15:02, April 1, 2024 (EDT)

*shrug* VOTE FOR ALL BURGERS! SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 14:04, April 1, 2024 (CST)

What are you saying I am not named after burgers!! That would be stupid it's spelled Hewberger! Next you'll be saying Hamburgers are named after Hamburg or something and not ham Hewberger (talk) 15:13, April 1, 2024 (EDT)

Please remain civil in these comments. This is not a nonsense proposal at all, I just want to spread the joy of A Hamburger in Super Smash Bros. Brawl to all. I hear your complaints, your detraction's and your concerns. Perhaps we don't see eye to eye, but I am here for you. I've been here for you for years and I know how to help you fully understand the untapped potential A Hamburger in Super Smash Bros. Brawl presents for us. A Hamburger in Super Smash Bros. Brawl help you all. Hewbert P. Edia (talk) 15:18, April 1, 2024 (EDT)

Can we have one ever fery food and drink to

pictured: We want this (& more)

we want one of ewvery food & driink

Proposer: Camwoodstock (talk)
Deadline: April 2, 2024, 23:59 GMT until we get our food And drink

Support

1. Camwoodstock (talk) [make a statement indicating that you support our foood and dink]
2. Camwoodstock (talk) Please
3. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) Pink Donkey Kong Sr., there will be pink foods & PIE in there.
4. Anime Hater (talk) Might as well.
5. Food Lover (talk) YES YES YES YES!!!
6. Meh (talk) Meh.
7. FOOD FOR LIFE!!!! (talk) YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GO BACK TO SLEPE. & STARF

1. Pink Donkey Kong Sr. (talk) hotpink
2. Hewberger (talk) Ugh, take out the hamburgers, I hate hamburgers.
3. Hewbert P. Edia (talk) Please don't hog A Hamburger in Super Smash Bros. Brawl. Let all the editors heal six percent of their health if they so wish.
4. Koopa sin Carne (talk)

Comments ~Camwoodstock (talk) 11:36, April 1, 2024 (EDT)

Bruh @Camwoodstock using "comments" literally. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 14:00, April 1, 2024 (CST)

Removals

[insert a title for your proposal here]

[describe what issue this proposal is about and what changes you think should be made to improve how the wiki handles that issue]

Proposer: {{User|[enter your username here]}}
Deadline: [insert a deadline here, 7 days after the proposal was created (14 for writing guidelines and talk page proposals), at 23:59 GMT, in the format: "April 1, 2024, 23:59 GMT"]

Support

1. Koopa con Carne (talk) Hard agree from me. Such an attitude is of utmost salience in a community and should be deeply and proactively fostered to ensure not just the growth of this knowledge base, but the synergy between the registered userbase and readers.
2. Pink Donkey Kong Sr. (talk) hotpink
3. Yoshi Hater (talk) Such perfectly constructed arguments you got there! I agree with everything you said!
4. Arend (talk) [make a statement indicating that you support your proposal]
5. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) This proposal honestly confused me. I saw it as a proposal to expand our coverage to everything Mario, which I support. And by everything Mario, I MEAN EVERYTHING MARIO! [Insert edit about being confused and potentially mis-interpreting the proposal]
6. Tails777 (talk) [Insert obligatory “Per all” vote]
7. Camwoodstock (talk) [Insert obligatory subsequent "Per all" vote]
8. ShlyRd (talk) [Insert positive argument statement]

Oppose

1. Hewbert P. Edia (talk) OK, I'm really confused. I don't understand this logic at all. How could anyone come to that conclusion with this little official evidence? And what would happen to pages like this if this dumb proposal were to pass? Hard oppose from me, let's keep this wiki reliable as a source of information. EDIT: For some extra clarity, I want to be very clear that I still oppose this proposal. It feels hastily written and doesn't fully consider the whole situation, so the result would be pretty messy. I might support an option to only make half of the changes if it was added, though, since I can somewhat see the argument for those.
2. XDfan17 (talk) [long, well-thought counter-argument that everyone ignores because there are more support votes]

Comments

@Hewbert P. Edia the proposal literally states that the article you mention won't be affected. -- KOOPA CON CARNE 09:19, April 1, 2024 (EDT)

My bad, I should've read the proposal more closely. I'm still opposing, though, because I still think the idea of just suddenly making a change like this is pretty stupid. I've edited my vote to be clearer. Hewbert P. Edia (talk) 09:41, April 1, 2024 (EDT)

I mean, put yourself in Miyamoto's shoes for a moment: wouldn't you want Luigi to have another year dedicated to himself and get people talking about it online? That's what I mean by synergy. It's just common sense to cite the Luigi fanfic in that article; Nintendo is a small, hardworking indie company and deserves every bit of promo for their Luigi campaign. -- KOOPA CON CARNE 14:22, April 1, 2024 (EDT)

@XDFan17 You didn't read the proposal.SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 09:41, April 1, 2024 (CST)

Yes I did, otherwise I wouldn't have a reason to oppose it. XDfan17 (talk)

No you didn't. If you did, then tell me what it's about. :-). SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 10:19, April 1, 2024 (CST)

It's right there in the description. You can't figure that out? XDfan17 (talk)

I think it's time for you to go home, XDfan. You're off your rocker again. BMfan08 (talk) 11:35, April 1, 2024 (EDT)

Changes

Trim Super Smash Bros. navigational templates

Over time, this wiki has, with good reason, significantly reduced its coverage of the Super Smash Bros. series. However, as has been the subject of multiple other proposals, there are a lot of vestigial remnants left over from when Smash still received full coverage.

One of the most prominent and blatant cases of this is found in the Super Smash Bros. navigational templates, namely Template:SSB, Template:SSB moves, Template:SSBM, Template:SSBM moves, Template:SSB4, Template:SSB4 moves, Template:SSBU, and Template:SSBU moves.

Each of these templates contains links to subjects that no longer have dedicated articles, and take the reader to a subsection of a list article instead. The "move" templates are especially rough, since the majority of Smash Bros. moves are no longer even covered on the articles that these links redirect to. I propose that these navigational templates should be significantly trimmed down, much like the ongoing efforts to clean up the various "series" categories.

Furthermore, without the unnecessary links to subjects that no longer are within this wiki's scope, having moves in a separate template from the main navigational template for those games may no longer be necessary, so it might also make sense to remove the "move" templates entirely, moving the links to Super Mario-related Smash Bros. moves to the main Smash navigational templates.

Proposer: JanMisali (talk)
Deadline: April 3, 2024, 23:59 GMT

Remove all redirect links from Super Smash Bros. navigational templates

1. JanMisali (talk) Second choice, per proposal.

Remove all redirect links from Super Smash Bros. navigational templates and delete the "move" templates entirely

1. JanMisali (talk) First choice, per proposal.
2. Camwoodstock (talk) Honestly surprised this hasn't been done sooner. Per all.
3. Koopa con Carne (talk) per proposal
4. SolemnStormcloud (talk) Per proposal.
5. Super Mario RPG (talk) Please do. The excessive amounts of Super Smash Bros. coverage is a huge pet peeve of mine, since it hinders accessibility for Super Mario content.
6. LadySophie17 (talk) Per all, thank you very much.
7. Mushzoom (talk) Per all.

Comments

You forgot the navigational templates for Super Smash Bros. Brawl, Template:SSBB and Template:SSBB moves. SolemnStormcloud (talk) 12:11, March 27, 2024 (EDT)

Ah, so I did. Yes, those would also be covered by this. jan Misali (talk · contributions) 13:15, March 27, 2024 (EDT)

Forbid the use of images without captioning them

This proposal aims to ban the use of images without captions, both in text and galleries. It's for a similar reason as why one should add a reason when adding a maintenance template, and without it, unfamiliar readers may ask themselves, "What's the subject? What does it do? What's it trying to illustrate?"

I looked around for an example, and I'll use the Icicle page. Quite a few sections add sprites without captioning them. While the section heading alone would be enough to suggest that it's a sprite from the game, additional context could be at risk of being left out. Mario Bros. has been re-released many times, so when I see the icicle sprite, I may ask myself, "What version is it from? The arcade? The NES? The Game Boy Advance?" While it's true that sprites can't easily display captions, due to being small images, there could be a way to make it easier to caption them.

This problem also applies to infoboxes. On the Itsunomanika Heihō page, what's going on in the infobox image? There's so many things in it, and it doesn't make clear who Itsunomanika Heihō is, which is the Shy Guy.

On a bit of a side note, too many articles have images that feel added in the text just for the sake of adding images, and captionless images seem among them. Why does the Lubba page have three images in the Super Mario Galaxy 2 section? Are they essential enough to be included or could they just be addendums to a gallery? Two of the images are just Lubba saying a quote, something that's hardly as much of interest as, let's say, Mario's first meeting with Lubba. Should this proposal pass, perhaps a separate proposal, or a precedent, could be set for tightening the use of images in article sections unless they are plot-essential, show a major difference between games, or for historical context, such as when something first appeared.

Proposer: Super Mario RPG (talk)
Deadline: April 3, 2024, 23:59 GMT

Support

#Super Mario RPG (talk) As proposer.

Oppose

1. Tails777 (talk) Forbidding is a strong conclusion if you ask me. Simply adding a caption or moving images to a gallery is enough rather than just outright forbidding a captionless image.
2. JanMisali (talk) Per Tails777. This would be a pretty big policy change, and it would be better to handle it on a case-by-case basis.
3. Nightwicked Bowser (talk) It's really not a big deal at all if there are a few images without captions. If you think one is necessary, then there's nothing stopping you from adding one but making this a strict policy is going too far.
4. Camwoodstock (talk) Per all; we really ought to take these on a case-by-case basis, as while some of these instances are not clear like the Mario Bros. Icicle image... Other captionless images on that very same article, like the Mario Clash Icicle are very much clear enough as-is since Clash only ever had one platform it released on. And the Itsunomanika Heihō infobox really just needs a new image outright if you ask us; if the image used cropped out the Bandit and Baby Mario and giant in-game arrow pointing at them, leaving the Shy Guy on Yoshi's back as the focal point, you'd fix the vast majority of the clarity issues. (of course, don't go updating the image itself, as it's used on other articles, instead this'd have to be a new image.)
5. PnnyCrygr (talk) Best add a caption to the image sans caption, or just move it to a gallery page. Per all.
6. Scrooge200 (talk) Per all, a blanket ban on uncaptioned images would do more harm than good. It'd be better to just fix the cases that are unclear.
7. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) Abso-huckin'-lutely not. The amount of times I've had to remove a caption from a tiny, tiny image that can't even support a caption I can't even count.
8. YoYo (talk) oh please. i dont think i need to explain - but the comment below does perfectly.
9. Hewer (talk) Per all, some images needing captions doesn't mean they all do.
10. ThePowerPlayer (talk) Per all. Also see the comments; trying to add a caption to a tiny game sprite says it all.
11. Arend (talk) Yeah no, per all. Some images are just too tiny to add a caption to (tiny images being something this Icicle article that's being brought up is chock full of), but also too essential for a section to be outright removed. Doc perfectly demonstrates that in the comment section.
12. Mario (talk) The ideal way to proceed with this is either make caption interesting or remove the caption and let the image do the talking.
13. MegaBowser64 (talk) We should be working on captioning images that need it, not putting an umbrella ban over every image! This idea is more destructive that constructive, images are always good for context, even if they don't have written context themselves.
14. FanOfYoshi (talk) As Don Lino from Shark Tale said it best... "Are you kidding me, are you outta your MIND?!". Per all.
15. Nintendo101 (talk) Image captions are generally helpful, but one would find that published textbooks do not even do this consistently, and for good reason. An image can sometimes be confidently contextualized just by the text it is next to. To impose a rule like this can potentially worsen some articles. Additionally, I think a rule like this is too heavy-handed and weakens our editorial discretion.
16. Mister Wu (talk) As noted by Doc, our current modus operandi with the sprites directly collides with this policy, and redoing all the sprites at double or triple the resolution in every axis just to make the caption readable is time consuming and arguably not even that correct in terms of presenting what the sprite originally looked like.

Comments

In what universe is this even remotely acceptable? You can't even read it!

Please tell me how the image to the left is ideal. Because that's what this proposal's trying for. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 17:52, March 27, 2024 (EDT)

In my argument in the proposal, I was talking about like a template or something that could use captions in such cases. Multiframe now comes to mind. Super Mario RPG (talk) 18:08, March 27, 2024 (EDT)

Which adds a lot of dead space in the image space itself. I'm fine with using that when they'd blend with the default background (see: Spray Fish), but using them for captions is superfluous. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 18:36, March 27, 2024 (EDT)

Yeah, padded whitespace makes the page look relatively bigger when actually there is no content. It sucks for an article to have superfluous space created by overly long captions in floated tiny images. When creating an article, an article should look nice.  ^P_nn^yC_ryg^r  18:39, March 27, 2024 (EDT)

I want to revisit this proposal to ask about the Icicle example... you say that a lack of caption would result in additional context being left out, to which I ask.... what additional context is there to a sprite of an icicle? Adding captions would simply make it extremely repetitive. "An icicle in Super Mario Bros 3" ... "An icicle in Super Mario World" ... "An icicle in..." and so on. - YoYo (Talk) 10:27, March 29, 2024 (EDT)

TBF the game Mario Bros. has a slew of versions across different systems, so in that particular icicle example it'd be beneficial to state which version it comes from. Not even the sprite's file page states the exact source. If it's a small sprite, surely there's some parameter that widens its frame to fit a caption, right? I could be wrong. -- KOOPA CON CARNE 13:41, March 29, 2024 (EDT)

In that case, alt text would probably be preferable. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 22:22, March 29, 2024 (EDT)

For the Mario Bros. section in specific, I think it would be beneficial to apply a Multiframe in order to include Icicle sprites across all applicable versions of Mario Bros. (similar to what's done with the Super Mario Maker section). We'd probably have to scour through many spritesheets for that, since this wiki seemingly only has the icicle sprite from the arcade version.
As for the other sections that only include a sprite, I agree that including a caption to those might also be too repetitive, on top of the image being too small. rend (talk) (edits) 07:04, March 30, 2024 (EDT)

Allow our BJAODN pages to be Featured Articles

Our Featured Articles have always been about showing everyone what true too standards for quality articles look like. Articles that show the best writing and such. But I also believe that another good way of showing what our best looks like is by also showing what our bad jokes or other deleted nonsense looks like. Therefore I propose that we allow all our bad jokes and other deleted nonsense to have the opportunity to join the ranks as some of our best articles! Sure, they have to pass a nomination first, but let’s give our worst a fighting chance!

Proposer: User:Heads333
Deadline: Tomorrow

Let’s Do It (Support)

1. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) YES PLEASE NO DISCRIMINATION OF PAGES!!
2. Pink Donkey Kong Sr. (talk) hotpink
3. Hewbert P. Edia (talk) How will anyone be able to tell what's good if we keep suppressing the bad?
4. Camwoodstock (talk) how else can we get the recognition that MarioWiki:BJAODN/In the Clouds deserves

Are you Crazy? (Oppose)

1. Tails777 (talk) I dunno who this Heads333 guy is, be he might be nuts.

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Proposer: SolemnStormcloud (talk) Pink Donkey Kong Sr. (talk)
Deadline: April 2, 2024, 23:59 GMT

Support

1. Pink Donkey Kong Sr. (talk) hotpink
2. Koopa con Carne (talk) are you strawberry flavored? i want to lick your fur

   This you? Hewbert P. Edia (talk) 09:20, April 1, 2024 (EDT)

   is this where you live ~Camwoodstock (talk) 15:28, April 1, 2024 (EDT)

3. Yoshi Hater (talk) PINKY! THE PINKEST OF THE PINK!
4. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) GOTTA RESTORE RESTORE RESTORE!!!!!!!!!
5. Camwoodstock (talk) From one monkey to another, we must.
6. Hewbert P. Edia (talk) Fine, I'll support, but just to be clear, this proposal isn't really necessary. He will rise from beyond the grave whenever He sees fit. We don't truly have the power over Him that we pretend we do. Pink Donkey Kong Jr. is not our slave. He is our puppet master, and we are but His pawns.
7. Wynn Liaw (talk) More people will know about the cluster of ruined temples in Vietnam.

Comments

You heard him! Just vote to support and let me free! I don't wanna be Klaptrap food! SolemnStormcloud (talk) 08:45, April 1, 2024 (EDT)

Don't worry, he is a playble character in the Ultimate Fighting Game since January 1, 1988. Wynn Liaw 22:30, April 1, 2024 (EDT)

Miscellaneous

Plant a tree for every article we have

Let's face it: the world is dying, thanks to global warming and stuff. Best to prolong the inevitable death as much as we can with all the power we've got, and what better way to do that than planting trees?

This proposal seeks to rectify the pollution from the big corporations by making the Super Mario Wiki the greenest wiki there is... by planting a tree for every single article we have! This would result in approximately 28,521+ fresh trees. Not only that, but I also propose that we should plant a tree for every new article we create as well (hence the + at the aforementioned page count). This would add the incentive to not only create more articles, but also to save the world little by little. Two for the price of one!

Note that I'm only counting content pages here. If we're counting every page (talk pages, user pages, etc.), we'd have to plant approximately 320,705+ trees, which frankly might be a tad too cumbersome. Hence I'm not basing the number of trees to be planted on uploaded files (211,489+), total edit count (4,013,837+) or the amount of words in content pages (13,986,672+) either.

Now who's ready to save the planet?

Proposer: Arend (talk)
Deadline: April 1, 2024, 23:59 GMT

Support

1. Arend (talk) Let's save planet Earth!
2. Tails777 (talk) All for expanding the Woody Woods!
3. Pink Donkey Kong Sr. (talk) hotpink
4. Yoshi Hater (talk) The Lorax would be proud!
5. Nintendo101 (talk)
6. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) SAVE THE TREES, END THE GREENHOUSE EFFECT!

Oppose

1. Camwoodstock (talk) Ehh, another AI fling using up so much electricity will just offset any carbon benefit anyways. Hewbert P. Edia (talk) Would get in the way of other wiki projects. Let Earth die so we can all focus our efforts on our wiki, it's much more important than that random planet. メガ クッパ 六十四 (talk) LET IT DIE! LET IT DIE! LET IT SHRIVEL UP AND DIE! (come on, who's with me)

Ban any mention of OOSAPION FROM THE WIKI

That's right! Usapyon is an asshole! Yes, uSAPYON FROM yOKAI wATCH! Why? Because... In 2D artwork, he CONSTANTLY GRINS WITH TEETH, BUT HIS TEETH NEVER EXIST IN 3D/CGI, EVER§ This is simply uncacepptable! Usapyon should be held accountable for this heinous crime on only reserving this to the 2D realm and withholding it in 3D/CGI... Actually, that applies to pretty much ANY Anime character who make facial expressions such as swirly eyes, heart eyes, star eyes and so on and so forth exclusively in 2D and never CGI (the 2D-3D inconsnstency crime) (looking at YOU, Ash Ketchum, my fictional counterpart!) We shall fight for 2D-3D consistency! And if i don't have a picture of Usapyon with teeth in 3D/CGI by tomorrow, i will riot against these characters! You hear me?

Proposer: A passionate hater of the green dinosaur, of course

Ban YOUSAPAION!

1. FanOfYoshi (talk) A rare picture of me (Larry) directly berating Usapyon (pATRICK)
2. Arend (talk) Shouldn't be too difficult since USApyon has barely any relevance here aside from sharing his Japanese name with that of an unrelated enemy that's about a decade older, right?

Ban every anime character who makes these facial expressions in 2D, but never 3D/CGI

1. FanOfYoshi (talk) Same as above, but not limited to just Usapyon

Wario

1. Hewario (talk) Get Wario'd!
2. Tails777 (talk) Wah
3. Pink Donkey Kong Sr. (talk) hotpink
4. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) DOWN WITH ANIME! EVEN WARIO IS BETTER, AND EVEN HE SUCKS, AND THAT'S SAYING SOMETHING!
5. Anime Hater (talk) I AGREE WITH @SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
6. Wario (talk) Wawa wia
7. Camwoodstock (talk) Look at how much longer it takes to vote for Wario
8. Arend (talk) As secondary choice, I pick WWWWAAAAAAARRRRIIIIIOOOOO!!!!
9. WWfan08 (talk) WWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARIOOO TIME!

Trash talk

Need some clarification on the Wario option. It first stated "Ban Wario", now it just says "Wario", and so all supporters are voting it because they want Wario to stay. rend (talk) (edits) 10:22, April 1, 2024 (EDT)

Eh, Wario isn't Anime. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 09:28, April 1, 2024 (CST)

I just thought it'd be funnier to simply have the word Wario without anything specific lol -- FanOfYoshi 10:31, April 1, 2024 (EDT)

KEEP WARIO! BAN ANIME! Anime Hater (talk) 13:35, March 26, 2024 (CST)

Are the enemies in SMB2 literal créations of Wart, or simply residents of Subcon who happened to have been corrupted by him?

Ok, you might think this debate is stupid as shit, but hear me out: Multiple enemies, such as Shy Guys, Birdoes, Ninjis and many others have reappeared in régions outside of Subcon, and Shy Guys and Snifits existed in Yoshi's Island, a game canonically set long before the events of SMB2, so there's a lingering question: Were the ones seen in SMB2 simply corrupted, or outright créated? Oh and if you're gonna argue that "But Yoshi! Shy Guys and Bob Ombs popped into existence from short, shallow jars", then i'll respond: First, it's FAN OF Yoshi... uh, i mean... HaterOfYoshi. Second, maybe Wart tampered with the very way they come into existence?

Option 1: You agree that they used to be residents of Subcon until Wart corrupted them, and that Fry Guy was the only one brought into existence/life.

Option 2: Self-explanatory

Option 3: You can use that as both a vote, and/or comment section.

Proposer: HaterOfYoshi (aka HOY)

They were corrupted!

1. HaterOfYoshi (stalk) You can't convince me otherwise!
2. Pink Donkey Kong Sr. (talk) hotpink
3. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) THEY ALL INNOCENT!
4. Yoshi Hater (talk) Per all. Also, if you're wondering why Wart sealed the Subcons... Well, he did try to corrupt them, but their inherent purity served as shield for his corruption. And sealing them was a rétaliation, as Wart was frustrated by their défiance.

Most of them didn't even exist at all until Wart came along!

1. Arend (talk) The manual literally states that Wart "created monsters by playing with the dream machine", therefor we can conclude that not all of Wart's minions in the game were peaceful residents. The manual also mentions the 8 bits as a "club of evil dreams", which is mentioned in the descriptions for Shyguy and Snifit, which means these are definitely creations of Wart, despite their appearances outside of Subcon (or they were always evil to begin with). Other creatures created by Wart or related to making evil dreams/destroying good dreams are Ninji, Pidgit, Panser, Autobomb, Mouser, and Fryguy, the first two having also appeared outside of Subcon. the ONLY creatures that are confirmed to have been residents prior to Wart's takeover are Albatoss, and maybe Trouter and Ostro. The fact that many of these creature that have been confirmed to be Wart's creations just so happen to have existed outside of Subcon before doesn't mean they were corrupted at all, but rather, it means a retcon instead.
2. Hewbert P. Edia (talk) Nah, not a retcon, Wart's just a plagiarist with unoriginal character designs
3. Camwoodstock (talk) How do you know that Flurries were real beforehand? To be fair, they are not real now anyways.

How about we discuss the reason(s) as to why Wart felt compelled to corrupt Subcon instead?

@Arend WHAT DA FAQ YOU TALKIN ABOUT WILLIS!? SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 09:29, April 1, 2024 (CST)

@Arend You do realize that this manual was written by Americans and not Japanese? Not all info is bound to be 100% correct! Besides, "création" isn't always used in the literal sense, it can sometimes be used figuratively! -- FanOfYoshi 10:41, April 1, 2024 (EDT)

@HaterOfYoshi Yes I agree. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 09:43, April 1, 2024 (CST)

Well, considering that SMB2 was created for Americans (with the Japanese version, Super Mario USA not releasing until years later), and it being made from a game with a completely different story, I assumed this was the original lore for these characters in the Super Mario franchise. Though, if the translation of this blog is to be believed, things are relatively the same inbetween Super Mario Bros. 2 and Super Mario USA anyway. Now I do kinda wish I had the Doki Doki Panic manual at hand... rend (talk) (edits) 10:54, April 1, 2024 (EDT)

What if i told you the epilogue said that "(Wart) went on to explain why he felt compelled to corrupt Subcon and its inhabitants", so either this manual is a fraud or is a Photoshop. -- FanOfYoshi 11:07, April 1, 2024 (EDT)

Well what if I told you that both of you are spouting crap, because Wart was influenced by Modern Eggman from the latest Modern Sonic game & Classic Eggman from the latest Classic Sonic game? SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 10:23, April 1, 2024 (CST)

Which is your favorite?

Proposer: Wynn Liaw (talk)
Deadline: April 1, 2024, 23:59 GMT

The Ultimate Fighting Game

1. Wynn Liaw (talk) It has all my favorite characters.

Comments

Voting for "I forgot his name the frog dude" ~Camwoodstock (talk) 23:05, April 1, 2024 (EDT)