Talk:Elite Gritty Goomba

Merge Gritty Goomba (Gwarhar Lagoon) with Gritty Goomba (Teehee Valley)

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Why are these even seperate? They have the same name in every language, and their only differences are their color and stats. We don't have seperate pages for the two types of Pokeys in Paper Mario: Sticker Star, or the four Koopa Troopa colors in Super Mario World.

Proposer: Binarystep (talk)
Deadline: April 5, 2015, 23:59 GMT.

Support

1. Binarystep (talk) Per proposal.

Oppose

1. Time Turner (talk) They're very clearly different enemies. Different stats and different looks would automatically give them individual articles if it weren't for the name. Look at Greaper with Glum Reaper, Rat Funk with Alley Rat, Gorgon with Enigma, Fighter Fly with Super Fly, Paratroopea with Scaratroopea, Beanie with Gold Beanie, and so on and so forth. Besides that, there are at least four other enemies in this game alone that follow this pattern: Dry Bones, Chuck Guy, Limbo Bro, and Pestnut. "What's in a name," indeed.
2. LudwigVon (talk) Per Time Turner.
3. Tails777 (talk) Per Time Turner.
4. Walkazo (talk) - Per Time Turner. As for the counterexamples in the proposal, I'd definitely support splitting the two PM:SS Pokeys (different looks, different stats, and only one can be stomped). The Koopa Troopas, however, do not have enough differences in behaviour/stats/etc. to rationalize splitting the page: then we'd have to split all the other multi-coloured species too, like Toads and Birdos, and that's going too far.
5. SuperYoshiBros (talk) We split the R enemies from Dream Team a few months ago BECAUSE of the reasons you listed. For consistency, we should keep these split.
6. Andymii (talk) Just like your other proposal, your point about names is not important. Even in real life, people and things share names, but that doesn't mean they are the same thing.
7. Yoshi876 (talk) Per TT and Walkazo.
8. Magikrazy (talk) Names mean nothing. You wouldn't merge George Bush with his son George Bush. Per everyone.

Comments

Time Turner, most of the enemies you listed have different names in at least one language, which Gritty Goombas do not. Binarystep (talk) 18:05, 22 March 2015 (EDT)

...And? You're bringing up the point of names over and over again, but the Gritty Goombas are very clearly different enemies. Merging things solely for having the same name is a slippery slope that nobody wants to go down. Hello, I'm Time Turner.

It's pretty common for there to be variants of enemies that aren't actually supposed to be different species altogether, just look at the four Koopa colors (which act differently and give Yoshi different powers, which is more than just a palette swap). Binarystep (talk) 00:59, 23 March 2015 (EDT)

The Koopas aren't a good example to use when we have literally hundreds of other species that are clearly intended to be separate. One may not follow the pattern, but there are many more that do. What do you think we should follow: the ones that are consistent or the one that's inconsistent? You seem to be getting caught up on the fact that the enemies share the same name, but let me make this explicitly clear: the names should not be the sole deciding factor. The Gritty Goombas here have parallel characteristics with all of those enemies that I listed alongside many more enemies. If the names were what decided if articles should be merged, the Goombas from Super Mario World would have been merged to the main Goomba despite being clearly different until they were eventually given the name "Galoomba", or the film adaptations of characters like Mario, Luigi, and President Koopa would have been kept in the main articles despite being so drastically different, or, heck, Buzz the human golfer would be in the same article as Buzz the bee enemy. You're looking at one sole aspect of the enemies and acting as if that should be the sole deciding factor in whether or not they should be individual, but it's impossible to look at it like that, because the enemies have more to them then just their names. As it has been said time and time again, their other aspects clearly demonstrate that they are different enemies. Hello, I'm Time Turner.

Also, SuperYoshiBros, the R enemies actually have different names, not only a palette swap and stat change. Binarystep (talk) 01:01, 23 March 2015 (EDT)