MarioWiki:Proposals

Proposals can be new features (such as an extension), removal of a previously added feature that has tired out, or new policies that must be approved via consensus before any action(s) are done. Any user can support or oppose, but must have a strong reason for doing so, not, e.g., "I like this idea!" "Vote" periods last for one week. A proposal section works like a discussion page: comments are brought up and replied to using indents (colons, such as : or ::::) and all edits are signed with the signature code ~~~(~). How To Actions that sysops feel are appropriate to have community approval first can be added by anyone, but they must have a strong argument. Users then vote and discuss on the issue during that week. The "deadline" for the proposal is one week from posting at: Monday to Thursday: 5pm Friday and Saturday: 8pm Sunday: 3pm At any time a vote may be rejected if at least three active users believe the vote truly has strong reasons supporting it. Every vote should have a reason accompanying it. "# " should be added under the last vote of each support/oppose section to show another blank line. At the deadline, the validity of each vote and the discussion is reviewed by the community. The original proposer calls the result of the proposal and takes action(s) as decided if necessary. Archive sub-pages will be made eventually. The times are in EDT, and are set so that the user is more likely to be online at those times (after school, weekend nights). So for example, if a proposal is added on Saturday night at 11:59 PM EDT, the deadline is the next Saturday night at 8:00 PM. If it is indeed a minute later, the deadline is a day plus 15 hours (Sunday), as opposed to a day minus 4 hours. CURRENTLY: 09:45, 22 December 2024 (EDT) New Features No proposals here yet. Policies User Fairness We keep a strict line on user behavior here, but should we set it in stone as a policy? Would contain: No personal attacks: punishable by ban No edit warring: punishable by warning if excessive "Assume good faith" – already on Wikipedia, assume a user is here to help the project unless (s)he shows malicious behavior Proposer: Wa TC@Y Deadline: 17:00, 5 June Set in Stone Wa TC@Y – couldn't hurt. Plumber, darkgreen Dinosaur bob – I think it's better that way- it gives more incentive to play nice. YELLOWYOSHI398 – I doubt these are reeeeally necessary, but, as Wayoshi said, they wouldn't hurt. Why not? No harm can come from it. Hisak 19:20, 30 May 2007 (EDT) Phoenix Rider See comment Gives them no excuse to do it. Heh, I recommended Good Faith here. Sorry, but I am Confused 21:36, 30 May 2007 (EDT) Rules are rules, and they're usually for the betterment of all. Eggbert Aipom can't harm, just a reminder XzelionWon't do any harm..ETC Leave it Unsaid Hk-We aren't idiots. No need to set it in stone. The policy was suggested by someone who uses condescending statements and insults every other line. Cobold (talk · contribs) - no need for a guidline for everything. I'm with unwritten rules. No need to make a rule for what is essentially common sence.Gofer Comments All I'm saying is that we aren't stupid, people should have enough common sense to understand that if they are rude, they have to go home.SaudyTalk! Can we define "personal attacks" before implementing the policy? In any case, I wasn't aware that this wasn't written down... I guess it's really an extension of the "final judgment" of moderators... or whatever we refer to it as here. Anyway, on absolutely every online community I've ever been to, moderators are allowed to do whatever they feel necessary to keep the peace, but maybe this will help community newbies understand better. I'm in favor of the edit wars thing, but I have my own ideas for how it should be settled. I think if an edit war arises, however, we need to move right to the talk page of that particular article and vote on the edits, returning the next day. If we say, "No edit wars," I feel it is too open ended and may lead to people backing down on issues that are important to them for fear that it may be considered a war. I'm not saying an edit war is acceptable in some cases, I just feel that we need to define it more. --Stumpers (EDITED by Stumpers) This might sound cruel, but if you don't have enough common sense, you deserve to be banned. I have yet to see how this would affect anything for the better not making it a rule. Phoenix Rider Cursing Cursing is a nasty thing, and there are children on this site. Should it be banned officially? Proposer: SaudyTalk! Deadline: 20:00, 16 June Ban it hard SaudyTalk!-Its a nasty thing. XzelionSeven year old kids are on this site!.ETC Pokemon DP - Yes, I say definitely get rid of it. Agreed, last thing you'll need is some parent griping about what their kid learned here. Eggbert Maybe for the wiki and discussion, but I think that some (as long as it's not too bad) should be allowed on the forums and chat. Hisak What'd be the point? Comments This is really just to get some use out of the system, as we all have enough foresight to determine the results on this one.SaudyTalk! It depends on how extreme some of the words are. Maybe only if the word is actually used in the Marioverse ("Hell" in the DK Rap), but that's the only exception. Actually, "Hell" isn't too bad, since The Underwhere is modelled after it. But again, only when necessary, if ever. Booster Boosty, it should never be necessary.SaudyTalk! I agree, but what should we do in the rare case where it's actually appropriate (DK Rap)? Booster Heck, I dunno. Use that word there. Heck.SaudyTalk! There's no word censor in MediaWiki. I'm not sure if there is an extension for one. Wa TC@Y 14:29, 3 June 2007 (EDT) This would be a personal challenge for users, and the entire community would need to make a conscious effort on each and everyone's own part. Plug-ins don't solve everything, and really shouldn't.SaudyTalk! Take that back. Wa TC@Y 14:36, 3 June 2007 (EDT) Removals Patrollers I have heard this issue in chat. We have ended up battling vandalism very well after a bad rash, so patrollers have become obsolete. The only patroller who has used his powers actively was Great Gonzo, who I promoted to sysophood two days ago. So is it time to remove the patroller group? Currently Confused (talk) and Aipom (talk) are patrollers. Proposer: Wa TC@Y Deadline: 17:00, 5 June Keep Wa TC@Y – Never know when another bad rash will come along. I'll find more active users to replace the original four if necessary. XzelionYa can never be too safe..ETC Maybe we just need more patrollers... Sorry, but I am Confused 23:37, 29 May 2007 (EDT) Bean Yep, never know... Phoenix Rider Never know. Aipom never know ~PY Everyone is right. You never know... Get Rid Of I really don't think they're needed. Even with patrollers, the administrators are still doing most of the anti-vandal work. No offense to the current patrollers, but they haven't done much vandal fighting since their promotion. I feel we have enough admins at the moment to withstand another vandal attack even without patrollers, anyway. (that's just my opinion, though). --KPH2293 Really I mean, instead of being patrollers isn't it easier to make them sysop or something? Silent but deadly! SuperLuigi821 You lost everything. Way to go genious. Agree, we have than enough sysop, and there hasn't been a big vandal attack for long. Sorry, dudes. Our current patrollers haven't been doing much, and I actually think we'd be in good condition if we abolished the patroller status and kept our current system operators unchanged. YELLOWYOSHI398 There are thirteen sysops, about 10 of those are on some type of active basis. I think that's more than adequate to counter spam attacks. Eggbert Comments What does it mean to "use patrolling powers properly"? Plumber 20:47, 30 May 2007 (EDT) Don't abuse them. Also: "We should always have 4 Patrollers." – Why, exactly? " Ya never know when an Early Saturday mornin' and sysops are sleeping in..." – What exactly makes you think patrollers would be up at that time, yet not sysops? --KPH2293 20:58, 30 May 2007 (EDT) They might be up, they might not, but it's better to have extra hands around. Why decline some willing to help you with your work? Plumber, darkgreen True, but why patrollers? Why couldn't we just make active and trustworthy users sysops if we need more guards against vandalism? They can fight vandalism more efficiently, since they can delete pages that are created by vandals, protect frequently vandalized pages, and permanently hide obscene revisions. --KPH2293 21:27, 30 May 2007 (EDT) I don't think Wayoshi wants too many sysops here. I would change my votes if there was a higher chance of more users becoming sysops, but that doesn't look like it's gonna happen. Plumber When I originally suggested a new group, I thought it was going to be more inclusive than sysops. The reason why Patrollers aren't that effective is because I am only active at night and as for Aipom, I haven't seen him around that much. Patrollers aren't that effective because there are only two semi-active ones. Of course we're useless. But maybe if Patrollers were better utilized and more active users were chosen, then it could definately work. Give it a chance, that's all I got to say. Sorry, but I am Confused 22:44, 30 May 2007 (EDT) I'm on around 6 AM and 3PM on weekdays. On Saturday, I'm pretty much on all the time.-- Aipom -- You know, I was up and on at 6 AM today, and saw not one patroller for hours and hours. No trolls either. Trolls are sad, sad things, but I doubt even they can afford to get up at 6 AM to terrorize us.SaudyTalk! Peer Reviews So far, they aren't working out well and people are ignoring them. Proposer: Plumber Deadline: June 6, 2007 Keep Cobold (talk · contribs) - I'd say, better less feature articles than many bad ones. The old system sucked, people were voting for theirs favorite characters rather than for the qulality of the article itself. I might review some... Dinosaur bob -I've done a few edits to Yoshi already. Just point me towards the other articles and I'll see what I and my meager talents can do. Hk-Even if it was ALttP's idea, it still might help. I'll review article everyday if it helps. Stumpers - Well... He really has a lot of good ideas. This is one of his best ideas, IMO. I think we need to create an article on the front page that asks for input on the articles, though. That would be sweet. Get rid of Plumber 00:21, 30 May 2007 (EDT) No one is really reviewing the articles Aipom Bean 17:49, 30 May 2007 (EDT) I don't really like this proposal thing, and not many users rate the articles. Phoenix Rider I don't think it's really working out. I agree. Peer Reviews aren't working out so well, our old system was more effective. I don't see any supporters reviewing either. Sorry, but I am Confused 21:33, 30 May 2007 (EDT) Not many people are reviewing articles; I liked it better with our old FAs. YELLOWYOSHI398 ~PY - I prefer nominating FA's, like YY398 said. Comments It's a good idea, but no one is using it. Therefore, it is pointless. Plumber 20:48, 30 May 2007 (EDT) Confused: If you do not see any supporters reviewing, I cannot help you. I reviewed two articles yesterday. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 04:57, 31 May 2007 (EDT) Miscellaneous Mario Awards: Wiki or Forum The very exciting Mario Awards (Saturday August 11th), an all-day event, will cap off with a 4-hour ceremony (7-11p EDT), presenting the results of the 30 awards to be voted on starting Sunday June 10. However, should this excellent event be on the wiki, with more members, or on the forum, with a select but likely active group of members? Here I list some facts (not pros/cons) for both. Look carefully. Proposer: Wa TC@Y Deadline: 17:00, 5 June Wiki More users can participate Open page: One long page shows it all Templates can be used to block off presentations from comments, or sections prepared ahead of time Edit conflicts can be severe problem if there are no premade sections Official record is where it all started Forum Less but maybe the most active users can participate Multiple pages: hard to navigate, 20 posts won't take long to fill up Flood control: have to wait 20 seconds between editing a post, which can be annoying Double/triple posting and beyond instead of editing original post may be common in excitement No edit conflicts Official record is on a sub-site, not the main site Wiki Forum Hk Silent but deadly! SuperLuigi821 You lost everything. Way to go genious. I agree. Forum should be used more. Plus there are a lot of wiki glitches. Sorry, but I am Confused 23:44, 29 May 2007 (EDT) Phoenix Rider Original plan, and how it's going to stay.  The MissingLinkI can't get in the chatroom so as long as it's not there I'M COMING! YELLOWYOSHI398 This plan seems better... Think of all the annoying edit conflicts that could happen on the wiki. XzelionEdit conflicts would be overwelming.ETC Comments Move Chat In order to deter trollers and protect this silly little anniversary thing, it has come to the attention of many that the chat should be moved back to the forums. This move has not previously been opposed, it has merely been put off. Unfortunately, this might lower the number of users in chat. If enough users support with strong supporting arguments, we may get this through the system at a higher speed. This would deter trolls in the future. No real troll attack on the anniversary thing. Proposer: Hk Deadline: 17:00, 6 June Let it lie where it is Wa TC@Y – Willy will calm down. The chat needs to be open to everyone – compromise could be for Steve to unlock the restriction on the forum. Plumber, darkgreen Bottle Wizzerd - Nobody can troll forever. :/ Stumpers It's much more appealing where it is... I mean you just click. Boom. 3D, we can just kick Willy when we comes. Aipom He'll stop eventually Move Chat to Forum Hk-As is said, many users are for this change, and this will definitely deter trolls. Bean Keeps trollers away from forum, some might not even know where the forum is Phoenix Rider While it is more convenient to use the Wiki Chat, the Forum Chat is less suceptible to hacking and random IP chatting. Sorry, but I am Confused 21:31, 30 May 2007 (EDT) Forums, without a doubt. It'd prevent spammers and the like. If one is too lazy to simply go to the forums and access the chat, then they shouldn't be on it. Eggbert XzelionBetter, like what Eggbert said..ETC Comments People seem to believe this Willy guy is going away soon. Take a look-- he's been here forever. One of the first big things I did on this wiki a year ago was move pages back to their rightful name after Willy had his first bout of fun. He ISN'T going anywhere.SaudyTalk! This is what it says in the block log about Willy: 07:55, 18 June 2006 Porplemontage (Talk | contribs | block) blocked "Willy on Wheels (contribs)" with an expiry time of infinite (troll), and that was about a year ago. He's struck several more times, and keeps coming back.SaudyTalk! This Willy is another Willy who idolizes the first one. Plumber 20:32, 30 May 2007 (EDT) There have also been several other past Willy attacks that follow the same same pattern, plus Silly Dan, plus StarNeptune, equals Willy won't quit. Besides, Plumber, think of the horrible nasty things hes said about YOUR sister. Although, the entire thing could be WarioLoaf.SaudyTalk! Personally, Willy and all who worship him will never calm down. There is no educating the unreasonable. Phoenix Rider Exactly. How many of us have tried to reason with ALttP and failed? The unreasonable are, and I tried hard to figure out how to phrase this, but there really isn't a word, un-educatable.SaudyTalk! We have successfully reasoned with Willy already, and he wants to be a good user. I stopped him, also by reacting normally and continuing his remarks like he was starting a conversation. Plumber 20:50, 30 May 2007 (EDT) Supposedly, in chat, he said that he wanted to become a good user, but can't control himself. Then he said something about p***s and p**p, so we don't believe him that much. >_< 3D, you're right. No rest for the wicked. And no education too. You reasoned with him? I doubt it.SaudyTalk! We talked to him, but I doubt he'll do anything to reform. 3D, Ah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Not. I wonder why nobody trusts anybody? Plumber 20:57, 30 May 2007 (EDT) Its tough to trust someone who acts like Willy. Savvy?SaudyTalk! He's had a lot of chances, and blew them all. 3D, I savvy. 3D, vote for the change.SaudyTalk! Maxlover2 had a lot of chances and blew them all but one. Plumber 21:05, 30 May 2007 (EDT) OK, we know. But this guy, I beleive, will never change. And I think the chat should stay where it is. We can just kick Willy when we comes. 3D, don't knock me. Maxlover2 isn't a troll.SaudyTalk! When he first cmae here, he knew none of the rules. Like me. 3D, I blew all my chances but one! Look at me! And me. Maxlover2 was a troll, on Wikipedia. He came here to spam, but 3D was nice to him, so he stopped. Plumber 21:11, 30 May 2007 (EDT) Seriously? Wow. Anyway, I personally beleive he is a spammer, and a spammer he will stay. Sorry. Look at Peachycakes! 3D, you can debate now. Look, Willy is a buffoon, and he won't stop. Look at what he said to your sister, he's a sick freak, how can you forgive him?SaudyTalk! And all that stuff about "My p3|\|15 grows like ice cream" and "I like to eat creamy p**p".... AAAH! IT'S SICK! 3D, you, sir, ROFL my WFLEs. Personally, I never had a problem before on the forum. Plus, on the forum, it is required to give out e-mail confirmation. I don't think Willy is dumb enough to give out his e-mail just to harrass us. Sorry, but I am Confused 21:31, 30 May 2007 (EDT) Is there any need to still have this proposal? Willy was unmasked and is gone for good, so there's no need to move the chat anywhere now... o.o ~ Bottle Wizzerd Is he really gone for good this time?SaudyTalk! You must really tell me all about it, but not now, for it grows late.SaudyTalk! And yes, Wizzerd, the proposal stays open anyway so we can find out what the people want.SaudyTalk! He IS gone for good, it was WL the whole time, seemingly. And the opinions now are flawed, since the main problem was Willy. He's gone now, so I don't think all opinions are accurate now. ~ Bottle Wizzerd WL was NEVER Willy. The addreses never matched.