Talk:Rocky Wrench

"A few Rocky Wrenches man a three barreled cannon in Super Mario Sunshine. Shooting Bullet Bills and Missile Bills." Is this info correct? The species that control the cannons in Super Mario Sunshine don't have shells, yet the ones in SMB3 have Buzzy Beetle like shells. They may be Monty Moles or a new species. Can anyone confirm it, because there is no mention of Rocky Wrenches on any faq or guide.--SpikeFile:Spike sheild badge.PNG

Monty Moles man the cannons, not Rocky Wrenches. The text will remain deleted. -- Son of Suns

Should it be mentioned that the manual to Super Mario Bros. 3 clearly states they're a kind of turtle- and thus possibly related to Koopas? Dinosaur bob 21:18, 30 May 2007 (EDT)

SERIOUSLY?!?!?!?!? 3D, um... I THINK NOT TRUE BE TO BEING!

It said something along the lines of, "They may look like moles, but they're actually turtles". It seems that, at the least, there's a possibility the two species could be related. Dinosaur bob 21:23, 30 May 2007 (EDT)

Hmm. Intersting. 3D, please check again and confirm.

Here it is:

"Rocky is a turtle who kind of looks like a mole." It's possible they're related, as they look almost as much like a typical Koopa Troopa as does a Lakitu. Dinosaur bob 21:27, 30 May 2007 (EDT)

Am I the only one whose noticed the shell?
And where does it say they're related to Monty Moles?
- Yoshi Mastar

I was saying that it's possible they're related to Koopas- being turtles that allied with them is some good circumstancial evidence. Dinosaur bob 12:57, 4 June 2007 (EDT)

I don't think they should be compared to either Monty Moles or Koopa Troopas. For now we call them "turtle-like mole creatures" or maybe "mole-like turtle creatures".Knife (talk) 13:47, 11 June 2007 (EDT)

It seems that Rocky Wrenches are shell-less in Super Mario Galaxy... --Someone Else 17:34, 22 November 2007 (EST)

How are they koopas? they look like moles to me and they even act like moles. General bob-omb 14:57, 8 March 2009 (EDT)

Galaxy pic

Nothing too big, but does anyone have a picture of Rocky Wrench as he appears in Super Mario Galaxy? There are many other screenshots and pictures of who characters look in-game, I was just curious if anyone has managed to get a pic of him. - Smashgoom202 01:00, 26 October 2009 (EDT)

right here! File:Sprite 133 (Copy 2).jpg-User:superpokezillabros

Sub-Species

Aren't Rocky Wrenches sub-species of Monty Moles? Even that they appear earlier in a game, their most recent look (in NSMBWii) is a Monty Mole with black glasses and blue frame, with the manhole on their head. rend (talk) (edits)

Montey moles do not have shells, also, we can't put that in the article because we have no proofs.Count Bonsula I need blood...

I have (this pic was ripped by a user, and not fanon made) rend (talk) (edits)

Hmm...I'm not sure about that pic.Even if it's real, it isn't mentioned anywhere that rockies are monty moles.I bellive it's better to get a screenshot, then maybe mention that they look like montey moles in Trivia.Count Bonsula I need blood...

Koopa or Monty Mole?

There seems to be a lot of debate about Rocky Wrenches' species of origin. I think its safe to say that in the early years of Mario they were just mole-like Koopas, but since the release of Super Mario Galaxy their signature Koopa shells were removed making them resemble Undergrunts (a species of Monty Mole) and as of New Super Mario Bros. they've been completely redesigned to be regular Monty Moles with goggles and wrenches. So wouldn't it be safe to say that Nintendo now intends them to be Monty Moles and to retcon the idea that they were once Koopas? - Four Paper Heroes 01:09, 12 July 2011 (EDT)

No that is speculation until a source says they are monty moles they should be considered koopas since the only source says they look like moles but are actually koopas Goomba's Shoe15 (talk)

I'm just saying that this picture seems to imply their conversion from Koopa to Monty Mole... <:/ -Four Paper Heroes 01:17, 12 July 2011 (EDT)

So what look at a shellcreeper they look a lot like koopas but there not koopas there just turtles a source has called rocky wrenchs koopas but never monty moles and just look at the guides that have come out for games with rocky wrenches in them and none of them have called them monty moles Goomba's Shoe15 (talk)

This is actually up for discussion?

Seriously? Everyone on this website says that Rocky Wrench is a koopa? Can someone PLEASE link me to some kind of source that says this, even for the older games? Yeah, he may have had a shell in the past, but that doesn't make him a Koopa. Buzzy Beetles have shells, why don't we call them Koopas? Getting passed the older stuff, let's examine his new design: Fur. Buck Teeth. Whiskers. Claws. Pads in his hands. Big white belly. Little black nose. He is a carbon copy of Monty Mole, with goggles. The fact that anyone can say it's speculation to call him a Monty Mole is astounding. At the VERY least, if there IS an actual source that says he was once a Koopa, it needs to be fixed to say that he was retconned into a Monty Mole. However, based on his old design (claws, little nose on a snout), I'd say he was originally NOT meant to be a Koopa and the writers of this article are out of their minds. --Youreserious 02:13, 12 July 2011 (EDT)

I personally never saw Rocky Wrenches as Koopas, I always thought they wore the shells for protection. -Four Paper Heroes 02:25, 12 July 2011 (EDT)

There is a source it's the Super Mario Bros. 3 booklet it calls them turtles that look like moles and moles, also they are called koopas on the Super Mario Bros. 3 page, also it would be even worse for this site to call them Monty Moles since like ive said multiple times there is no source that has ever called them Monty Moles and until one calls them that they are not Monty Moles Goomba's Shoe15 (talk)

Um, this was sorted out when I was a noob here, guys... Look at the top. Ah, how I miss some of those good old boys who've moved on. Begins to yodel a song about 3D ^{Plumber Plumber} 02:49, 12 July 2011 (EDT)

• I repeat: Turtle does not instantly mean Koopa. If the manual had said "Is a koopa that looks like a mole" then yes, you'd put koopa. For now, it's just a turtle. And Goomba's Shoe: Seriously, are you blind or retarded?--Youreserious 00:22, 13 July 2011 (EDT)