Talk:Giant Stu

Real Name

Anyone have an official name for this Stu? I'm sure its official name has to do with it doing something, such as strollin' in Strollin' Stu. --Fake dino rules.

... I alway thought those were simply normal stues' and that the one stacked on top of it are just really small. --Blitzwing 19:19, 7 March 2008 (EST)

Anyone agree? --Blitzwing 14:02, 11 October 2008 (EDT)

Here's a question. Is the Giant Stu ever found by itself without the Strollin' Stus on its head? If not then I think it should just be called the Stackin' Stu. WolfenSage (talk) 01:05, 6 April 2016 (EDT)

Merge with Stackin' Stu

Template:SettledTPP Template:ProposalOutcome The Giant Stu and Stackin' Stu appear to be one and the same. They both only appear in Pinna Park as one enemy group; they aren't seen without one another. I'm not sure if Stackin' Stu's name is official (there's no ref on that page and I can't find one myself), but the Giant Stu's name isn't. Makes sense to me that the Giant Stu page should be merged with the Stackin' Stu one. Should Giant Stu be merged, it's page should be deleted due to an unofficial name.

Proposer: Alex95 (talk)
Deadline: Wednesday, December 21st, 2016, 23:59 GMT

Support

1. Alex95 (talk) - Look up a bit.

Oppose

1. Wildgoosespeeder (talk) The Strollin' Stus can be separated and killed off where only Giant Stu remains. That would be like merging Red Koopa Troopa with Red Koopa Paratroopa. No change.
2. LudwigVon (talk) - This would be like merging Goomba Tower with Goomba or merging the giant version of an enemy with its standard form and I'm against that.
3. Quizmelon (talk) Per all.
4. Toadette the Achiever (talk) Per all.
5. Green Mario (talk) Per all.

Comments

As a side note, I think Parentin' Stu might be a better name for this variation of Strollin' Stu. It also matches better the naming scheme motif. It also makes more sense as well because if you kill the Giant Stu before the Strollin' Stus when they are knocked off, they all die. Also Strollin' Stus piggy-back the Giant Stu, something that is somewhat common for a mother's young to do in general. --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) ^{(Stats - Contribs)} 23:02, 6 December 2016 (EST)

That could work as well. I don't see a {{conjecture}} on the Stackin' Stu page, though, so is its name official or no? 23:06, 6 December 2016 (EST)

I mean Giant Stu --> Parentin' Stu. Nothing to do with Stackin' Stu. --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) ^{(Stats - Contribs)} 23:09, 6 December 2016 (EST)

...The point I'm trying to make, though, is both types of enemies seem to be the same; one isn't seen without the other. Ergo a merge. Simply renaming Giant Stu would defeat the point of this. 23:12, 6 December 2016 (EST)

@Wildgoosespeeder: The two Koopas, while of the same "breed", are completely different and are classified as such. They have different attributes, therefore they have their own page. 00:44, 7 December 2016 (EST)

@LudwigVon: Yes, the Goomba Tower is simply a stack of Goombas, but a regular Goomba can be found everywhere, separate from the Goomba Tower. Both of which have, albeit slightly, different properties from each other. The Giant and Stackin' Stus here are essentially one enemy, found only in one place and are grouped together. 00:44, 7 December 2016 (EST)

What's wrong with the Goomba Tower analogy is that they don't have an enemy unique to Goomba Tower. What would be your thoughts if the Goomba Tower had a, say, large Rainbow Goomba at the bottom? It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 13:58, 8 December 2016 (EST)

If that "Rainbow Goomba" was only seen as part of the Goomba Stack, I'd classify it as part of that. If it is seen separate from the Goomba Stack, then I would classify it as a different enemy. 14:03, 8 December 2016 (EST)

I'm still iffy on this. There isn't anything to lose category-wise if we merge, but this still resembles an enemy, though without an official name apparently. I'm a bit inclined toward merge, but its appearance being different from the rest of the Stacked Stus is a thing. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 19:40, 11 December 2016 (EST)

Name

Does the Super Mario Encyclopedia has a name for it? Like Big Kurin, Kyodai Kurin, Deka Kurin or something like that? -- FanOfYoshi at 07:41, 2 December 2018 (EST)

No, although it describes and pictures the tower type right in the Strollin' Stu entry, which shows the giant holding the stack. LinkTheLefty (talk) 08:32, 2 December 2018 (EST)

You mean that it makes no mention of it? The internal filename is our only lead. Internal filenames can be used for things that are unnamed. -- FanOfYoshi at 08:35, 2 December 2018 (EST)

Thing about Stus is that if you pay close attention, there are actually about 4 or 5 size variations at different points in the game, and when alone, they always have the same behavior. Because it's the same coded object with a different size parameter. N64 and GCN games loved to do that. I could rattle off several instances if asked. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 18:12, 2 December 2018 (EST)

There's actually a part of the Nintendo Official Guidebook of Super Mario Sunshine that mentions them, it's the 11th Blue Coin of Pinna Park, on page 154:

積み重なっているクリンへノーマルノズルで放水。上から順番に打ち落としたあと、大きなクリンをふみつける。

Since they used 「大きな」 written in Hiragana rather than Katakana, it doesn't look like they have a separate name from Strollin' Stus, considering how the Encyclopedia keeps them together and how the enemy lists of the Nintendo Official Guidebook doesn't have a separate entry for them either, I wonder if we should start reconsidering the merge.--Mister Wu (talk) 21:32, 3 December 2018 (EST)

Well, both you and I have since brought up points that weren't addressed (and in your case, were partially unavailable) then, so it'd be within the rules to do so. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 21:41, 3 December 2018 (EST)

After all, the larger Strollin' Stus never appear without the smaller ones stacked on top. ^(T|C) 23:48, 3 December 2018 (EST)

Yeah they do. At Delfino Airstrip intermixed with subtly smaller ones. I'm unsure if they're as big as the one in Pinna Park, but like I said before, they can and did assign all sorts of size parameters to the exact same model, making different articles for different sizes ultimately pointless. I recall RareWare did this quite a bit with 1-hit generic enemies in their N64 games, such as the Gnawties in DK64 and the Grublins and Rippers in Banjo-Kazooie. GCN games did it to quite a bit, as seen with this situation, as well as Kirby Air Ride. Anyways, this techinically belongs more on the regular Strollin' Stu article, since it's just a size difference for an inconsistently-sized species anyways. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 00:11, 4 December 2018 (EST)

It should be noted that 「大きな」 is used for the name of at least one other enemy in Encyclopedia Super Mario Bros. (Big Fire Bar), and some of the other big enemies like Big Deep Cheep in New Super Mario Bros. Wii and Big Cheep Cheep in New Super Mario Bros. U are treated as just scaled-up versions of the normal enemy in those games. Though, if the size is inconsistent on top of that, I'd support a proposal. LinkTheLefty (talk) 04:10, 4 December 2018 (EST)

I'd support a proposal if the Strollin' Stu's size is inconsistent. (i think Giant Strollin' Stu would have been a better conjecture, since the normal enemy isn't just named Stu, it's called Strollin' Stu). -- FanOfYoshi at 11:12, 10 January 2019 (EST)