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Proposals can be new features (such as an extension), removal of a previously added feature that has tired out, or new policies that must be approved via consensus before any action(s) are done.
  • Any user can support or oppose, but must have a strong reason for doing so, not, e.g., "I like this idea!"
  • "Vote" periods last for one week.
  • All past proposals are archived.

A proposal section works like a discussion page: comments are brought up and replied to using indents (colons, such as : or ::::) and all edits are signed using the code {{User|User name}}.

This page observes the No-Signature Policy.

How To

  1. If users have an idea about improving the wiki or managing its community, but feel that they need community approval before acting upon that idea, they may make a proposal about it. They must have a strong argument supporting their idea and be willing to discuss it in detail with the other users, who will then vote about whether or not they think the idea should be used. Proposals should include links to all relevant pages and Writing Guideline proposals must include a link to the draft page.
  2. Proposals end at the end of the day (23:59) one week after voting starts, except for Writing Guidelines and Talk Page Proposals, which run for two weeks. (All times GMT.)
    • For example, if a proposal is added at any time on Monday, August 1, 2011, the voting starts immediately and the deadline is one week later on Monday, August 8, at 23:59 GMT.
  3. Every vote should have a reason accompanying it. Agreeing with or seconding a previously mentioned reason given by another user is accepted.
  4. Users who feel that certain votes were cast in bad faith or which truly have no merit can address the votes in the Comments section. Users can ask a voter to clarify their position, point out mistakes or flaws in their arguments, or call for the outright removal of the vote if it lacks sufficient reasoning. Users may not remove or alter the content of anyone else's votes. Voters can remove or rewrite their own vote at any time, but the final decision to remove another user's vote lies solely with the administrators.
  5. If a user makes a vote and is subsequently blocked for any amount of time, their vote is removed. However, if the block ends before the proposal ends, then the user in question holds the right to re-cast their vote.
  6. No proposal can overturn the decision of a previous proposal that is less than 4 weeks (28 days) old.
  7. Any proposal that has three votes or less at deadline will automatically be listed as "NO QUORUM." The original proposer then has the option to relist said proposal to generate more discussion.
  8. All proposals that end up in a tie will be extended for another week.
  9. If a proposal has more than ten votes, it can only pass or fail by a margin of three votes. If a proposal reaches the deadline and the total number of votes for each option differ by two or less votes, the deadline will be extended for another week.
  10. Proposals can only be extended up to three times. If a consensus has not been reached by the fourth deadline, the proposal fails and can only be re-proposed after four weeks, at the earliest.
  11. All proposals are archived. The original proposer must take action accordingly if the outcome of the proposal dictates it. If it requires the help of an administrator, the proposer can ask for that help.
  12. Proposals can only be rewritten or deleted by their proposer within the first three days of their creation. However, proposers can request that their proposal be deleted by an administrator at any time, provided they have a valid reason for it. Please note that cancelled proposals must also be archived.
  13. If the administrators deem a proposal unnecessary or potentially detrimental to the upkeep of the Super Mario Wiki, they have the right to remove it at any time.
  14. There should not be proposals about creating articles on an underrepresented or completely absent subject, unless there is major disagreement about whether the content should be included. To organize efforts about completing articles on missing subjects, try creating a PipeProject.
  15. Proposals cannot be made about promotions and demotions. Users can only be promoted and demoted by the will of the administration.
  16. No joke proposals. Proposals are serious wiki matters and should be handled professionally. Joke proposals will be deleted on sight.

Basic Proposal and Support/Oppose Format

This is an example of what your proposal should look like, if you want it to be acknowledged. If you are inexperienced or unsure how to set up this format, simply copy the following and paste it into the fitting section. Then replace the [subject] - variables with information to customize your proposal, so it says what you wish. If you insert the information, be sure to replace the whole variable including the squared brackets, so "[insert info here]" becomes "This is the inserted information", not "[This is the inserted information]".

===[insert a title for your Proposal here]===
[describe what issue this Proposal is about and what changes you think should be made to improve how the Wiki handles that issue]

'''Proposer''': {{User|[enter your username here]}}<br>
'''Deadline''': [insert a deadline here, 7 days after the proposal was created, at 23:59 GMT.]

====Support====
#{{User|[enter your username here]}} [make a statement indicating that you support your proposal]

====Oppose====

====Comments====

Users will now be able to vote on your Proposal, until the set deadline is reached. Remember, you are a user as well, so you can vote on your own Proposal just like the others.

To support, or oppose, just insert "#{{User|[add your username here]}} at the bottom of the section of your choice. Just don't forget to add a valid reason for your vote behind that tag if you are voting on another user's Proposal. If you are voting on your own Proposal, you can just say "Per my Proposal".

Talk Page Proposals

All proposals dealing with a single article or a specific group of articles are held on the talk page of one of the articles in question. Proposals dealing with massive amounts of splits, merges or deletions across the Wiki should still be held on this page.

For a list of all settled Talk Page Proposals, see here.

How To

  1. All active talk page proposals must be listed below in chronological order (new proposals go at the bottom). All pages affected must be mentioned in the brief description, with the talk page housing the discussion linked to directly via "(Template:Fakelink)". If the proposal involved a page that is not yet made, use {{fakelink}} to communicate its title. The Deadline must also be included in the entry. Linking to pages not directly involved in the talk page proposal is not recommended, as it clutters the list with unnecessary links. Place {{TPP}} under the heading.
  2. All rules for talk page proposals are the same as mainspace proposals (see the "How To" section above), with the exceptions made by Rules 3 and 4 as follows:
  3. Voting in talk page proposals will be open for two weeks, not one. (All times GMT.)
    • For example, if a proposal is added at any time on Monday, August 1, 2011, it ends two weeks later on Monday, August 15, 2011, at 23:59 GMT.
  4. Talk page proposals may be closed by the proposer at any time if both the support and the oppose sides each have fewer than five votes.
  5. The talk page proposal must pertain to the article it is posted on.

List of Talk Page Proposals

Writing Guidelines

None at the moment.

New Features

DK Wiki

Well, I think that there shouldn't be Donkey Kong things here. Why? Beacause its caled Super MARIO wiki, not Super MARIO AND DONKEY KONG Wiki! Right? Yeah, thats right! Another wiki could be made, and it just needs ALOT of copy and pasting. Here, look:
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Right?

Proposer: Bjdill (talk)
Deadline: August 2, 2011, 23:59 GMT

Support

  1. Bjdill (talk) Per my proposal.
  2. Kirbyftw28 (talk) That would be awesome. DK has had enough games of his own. He was even an unlockable character in one of the "Punch Out" games. Was Mario? No! DK even has his own category for the SSB series. Also, DK never appears in any major mario games. So why should he appear on this wiki. MAKE A DONKEY KONG WIKI!
  3. Wii Fan (talk) Per all
  4. Mpeng (talk)Mario and DK started out in the same game, so that should stay, but now DKCR has about as much to do with Mario as Gran Turismo.

Oppose

  1. Goomba's Shoe15 (talk) per my comments below and Donkey Kong is a parent series with Mario much like how we cover Yoshi and Wario despite the fact that both of them have branched off into there own franchises so Donkey Kong should be no different. And as Steve and Tucayo said here [5] we will no change are policy.
  2. BoygeyMario (talk) Per GS15. Donkey Kong does appear in the Mario series. So we should have DK info on this wiki.
  3. Magikrazy51 (talk) In the words of Sam Beckett, "oh, boy". In the words of many Wiki users, "Per all". In the words of Homsar, "DaAaAaAaA I'm the human wedgie".
  4. Mario4Ever (talk) Per all and FF65's comment.
  5. BabyLuigiOnFire (talk) Fawful summmed up everything I was going to say, so per her.
  6. YoshiGo99 (talk) Per FF65.
  7. Walkazo (talk) - Per GS15's vote and FF65's comment.
  8. Zero777 (talk) This is as ridiculous as the Mario Knockoffs proposal, per all. But to be serious or respectful with a reason, there are too many tie-ins and loops in, around, and out of the two characters.
  9. Milkshake Reaper (talk) Per all.
  10. Toad85 (talk) Donkey Kong is part of the Mario series, if you hadn't noticed. We can discuss a Donkey Kong wiki if Donkey Kong is also kept in the Mario wiki, and Mario has a place in the Kong wiki. Yoshi and Luigi have their own games, should they have seperate wikis? Of course not, and even if they did, Mario would still be there.
  11. Marwikedor (talk) Um, how about NOOOOOOOO! Donkey Kong is a MARIO character. Everything that happens in games of his franchise is also canonical to Mario's universe, and must have full coverage. Mario Wiki is not only the world's greatest database for Mario information, it is also the world's greatest database for DK information, Wario information, Luigi, Peach, Waluigi, Daisy information, and every character that exists in his universe. By the same stupid argument, because Wario has his own franchise he should not be covered here. Idiotic nonsence!
  12. Yoshi's Island (talk) Per all.
  13. M&SG (talk) - The Super Mario Wiki covers the whole Mario Universe, which includes the Donkey Kong, Yoshi, and Wario series'.
  14. Goomblob (talk) - Isn't right delete something about the Mario universe, because, DK is a Mario character.
  15. Phoenix (talk) According to MarioWiki:Coverage, information about Donkey Kong is perfectly acceptable on this wiki. I'll admit that I don't know very much about the Donkey Kong series aside from its periodic convergence with Mario games, but given that Mario's first ever appearance was in a DK game, it wouldn't seem very appropriate to remove all of the Donkey Kong information from the wiki, even if the presence of the information wasn't sanctioned by MarioWiki:Coverage.
  16. Superfiremario (talk) Per all.
  17. Damariogamr (talk) 1. Donkey Kong is a part of the Mario franchise and 2. Isn't there a DK Wiki already?
  18. Jjrapper100 (talk) Donkey Kong is part of the mario series he has appeared in a couple of Mario games I consider this failed.
  19. Bowser's luma (talk) <sarcasm> Sure, let's delete a major chunk of the wiki </sarcasm> Per all.
  20. Byllant (talk) - Per all, if we applied this, otherwise then we would have to remove Smash Bros., Pokémon, Zelda, etc., from our coverage just because they are external to the Super Mario Wiki.
  21. Super Mario Bros. (talk) – Per all.
  22. yoshiyoshiyoshi (talk) Are you forgetting where Mario came from?This is Mario Wiki,not just Super Mario Bros wiki.It covers everything related to mario.
  23. SuperYoshiBros (talk) Per all. Also, Donkey Kong appears in many Mario games, as well as many of the Kongs. King K. Rool and the Kritters even appeared in Mario Super Sluggers, a MARIO game, so why shouldn't we have them here?
  24. Tails777 (talk) D.K., I believe, is part of the Mario series. In fact, it was both Mario AND D.K. that started the Mario series and Donkey Kong series. Plus there are a lot of Donkey Kong articles on this wiki, that is a lot of work to delete them all.
  25. MasterToad (talk) On the main page It lists the Nintendo Wikis the 5th one is DK wiki
  26. SKmarioman (talk) There's already a DK wiki. Besides, if this proposal passed, then we'd have to make a Yoshi Wiki and Wario Wiki wouldn't we?
  27. SuperLuigiBros. (talk) Per all. Think back to Donkey Kong in 1981. You could think of it as a Mario game with Donkey Kong, or a Donkey Kong game with Mario. There is NO reason to move all of this info. By the way, there already is a Donkey Kong Wiki, also in NIWA.
  28. Super Waluigi (talk) - YOU CRAZY? HE IS AN OFFICIAL CHARACTER OF TEH Mario series... What? Are we going to say no DK in Mario Kart 64? No so :p.
  29. Mario Bros.! (talk) – Per all
  30. Reddragon19k (talk) Per all 29! That is everyone!
  31. Morty340 (talk) I, too, oppose the DK wiki.
  32. Smasher 101 (talk) Per all. Donkey Kong is a main character of the Mario series, why should we remove info about him?
  33. Pdjr9000 (talk) The Donkey Kong Series is a spin-off of the Mario Series. Yes I know there's already a Donkey Kong Wiki in NIWA but this wiki covers the greater Mario Series, including its spin-offs.
  34. Mario jc (talk) Per all.
  35. MeritC (talk) Personal reaction: NNNNOOOO!!!!! Formal reaction: Per all. We seriously do NOT need this. Period.
  36. Paper Yoshi (talk) - Per all. The two series are closely tied together.
  37. Cobold (talk) - We did have a Donkey Kong wiki in the early days of the Super Mario Wiki, and it failed because of lack of activity.

Comments

MarioWiki:Coverage, [[dkwiki:]]. ಠ_ಠಠಠಠಠಠಠ. +1 delete. SWFlash (talk)

Another one of these proposals... There's already a DK Wiki out there, and it has separate information than this Wiki. Mario and Donkey Kong have appeared together in games for ages. Both series are extremely close, and even some characters that started out in the DK series have gone into Mario games, such as Diddy, Dixie, and Funky Kong. Also, the Mario and DK series both started with the original Donkey Kong game, which belongs to both series. Removing information that is fine here will simply downgrade the Mario Wiki, and it will make it inconsistent if we still have Yoshi and Wario game info. More information is here. Fawfulfury65 (talk)

Steve said we will not change are policy on the NIWA forums there was an agreement prior to the DK Wiki joining NIWA that we would not change are policy Goomba's Shoe15 (talk)

There are many things I can say about this. One is that we cover all the playable characters in the Smash Bros series. So by the logic of this proposal, we should stop covering all those characters as well because there is already a wiki for them. Second is that Donkey Kong is a major character of the Mario series. Much like Yoshi and Wario, he branched into his own series as well, but he still appears in lots of Mario spin off games. So what I'm saying is that D.K. is a part of the Mario series and should not be removed from this wiki. Tails777 (talk)

if so we would have to make a super mario bros super show wiki to. droctogonapusblah (talk)

Mariofan1222 (talk) I don't like that Idea, Thnaks to DK mario exists So U R being bad with Mario you son of a b**ch

I thought Donkey Kong was a Mario game. And why is there name calling? You're only making things worse. >_< LeftyGreenMario (talk)

The game Donkey Kong is both a Mario and a Donkey Kong games Goomba's Shoe15 (talk)
Yeah, I think it's both, too, but I would like to object to the statement, "Donkey Kong is a Donkey Kong game part of the Donkey Kong series!" LeftyGreenMario (talk)
Let's just say its both and that the Donkey Kong series is a parent series with the Mario series Goomba's Shoe15 (talk)

There already is a Donkey Kong Wiki, so why not just edit that wiki, rather than create a whole new one?

Beecanoe (talk)

Honestly, this proposal would not exist if people pay attention to the Main Page. All you have to do is read the bottom. MasterToad (talk)

New rule for images

As you can see, the PNGs have better quality than JPGs. And I've seen some good quality PNG artwork get replaced with JPGs with worse quality & I think it's best to have images with the best possible quality. So I suggest that we add a new rule. The rule is that we don't allow PNG artwork to be converted to JPGs so that the quality of the images are better.

Proposer: BoygeyMario (talk)
Deadline: August 3, 2011, 23:59 GMT

Support

  1. BoygeyMario (talk) Per my own proposal. :)

Oppose

  1. YoshiGo99 (talk) I talked to M&SG and he said the file memory can exceed its maximum memory if we convert them to PNG.
  2. Mario4Ever (talk) Just because an image is a PNG does not make it inherently better in quality than a JPG. There's no need for PNGs where a JPG will do just fine.
  3. Goomba's Shoe15 (talk) Per all
  4. Walkazo (talk) - We should use the image that has the better quality. Usually it's a PNG, but sometimes it's a JPG, so saying one is always preferable to the other is a bad idea: it's better to be flexible and come at these things on a case-by-case basis.
  5. Toad85 (talk) Per all, especially Walkazo.
  6. M&SG (talk) - Per all the statements mentioned above.
  7. Coincollector (talk) - Nope. Per everybody here.
  8. Superfiremario (talk) Per all.
  9. Bowser's luma (talk) Per Walkazo.
  10. Mercury Mech (talk) - Per all.
  11. SuperLuigiBros. (talk) Per all. We had a proposal a while back about how some pictures look better in JPG and how somg PNG pictures SHOULD be in JPG form.
  12. Mario Bros.! (talk) Yes BoygeyDude, but there are reasons...
  13. Reddragon19k (talk) Now that is all of one and one for... ALL!
  14. LeftyGreenMario (talk) I don't like JPG sprites, but I believe this rule is too inflexible. The main reason people convert PNG to JPG is to save space while making the colors less precise. You can notice the difference if you load a JPG image compared to a PNG image of the same size.
  15. Smasher 101 (talk) Uh, no. Per all.

Comments

If you look really closely, JPGs have worse quality. BoygeyMario (talk)

Yes that is true. Not all the images start with PNG. If we convert them their memory can go past the maximum memory which is bad. We have to keep some images JPG so their memory won't overload. Sprites we can convert to PNG cuz the are small.YoshiGo99 (talk)

@BoygeyMario: Even if that is the case in some instances, it's not something with which everyday readers are going to be concerned. Mario4Ever (talk)
Look, I didn't say we're gonna get rid of all JPGs. We just need to keep PNGs for their good quality. BoygeyMario (talk)

@BoygeyMario: There's a 10 MB limit for the files we can upload. While PNG is better than JPG, it uses more memory, which is a major flaw when you want to upload very large images. M&SG (talk)

...isn't this similar to the PNG Images proposal that just happened? Or it could lead to the problem that it dealt with. Rise Up Above It (talk)

Removals

Delete the Following

All these pages are rather hidden and very unneeded; for example, the troll page is unnecessary because users will figure out what is a troll if they never heard of one, I have. I stumble across all these pages when I typed down in the search "How can I be an admin?" and it was in a pile of search results, AFTER I tweak the search options a bit.

I suggest to copy, paste, and alter the information into Userpedia.

A few of those pages have a list of questions, so in this proposal, it proposes to move those questions to the FAQ page.

A few of them have a link to the list of current admins, sysops, bureaucrats, etc. I propose to move those links into the welcome letter every user now gets for easy access just in case of a situation of sorts.

Note: For all you opposers, what do you propose to do with these pages about the part that they are hidden?

Proposer: Zero777 (talk)
Deadline: August 5, 2011, 23:59 GMT

Support

  1. Zero777 (talk) Per proposal

Oppose

  1. Walkazo (talk) - All the pages have the potential to be informative (like MarioWiki:Autoconfirmed users). Why force people to dig through the FAQ when we can have specific pages they can go to? Having lots of pages link to the lists is better than just the Welcome letter, which some people never really pay much attention to (I've seen lots of people simply remove it). The wiki's policy pages are largely a work in progress: it's better to let the admins deal with them, rather than forcing things to happen with a Proposal. And whatever happens, linking to Userpedia for basic information about how the wiki is set up is a VERY bad idea: we're running the risk of dealing with fanon-strewn pages like this, whereas we can ensure that our pages are professional and authoritative.
  2. Goomba's Shoe15 (talk) per Walkazo
  3. Mario4Ever (talk) Per Walkazo.
  4. Phoenix (talk) None of the above pages are really unneeded: they're there for a reason, and each one of them serves a purpose. If and when (new) users need information on certain things, it's important that we have pages where they can go to find out what they need to know quickly and easily. Saying that users will be able to figure something out on their own is not really a good reason to delete them. While that may be true for some, it may not necessarily be true for others, and a new user who may never have used a wiki before in their life shouldn't have to witness their talk page being mercilessly vandalized by a troll to figure out what one is if the same end result can be achieved by reading a page about trolls instead.
  5. Superfiremario (talk) Per Walkazo and Phoenix.
  6. M&SG (talk) - Those pages exist to help users know what their status abilities are. After all, if any user gets promoted to an administrator ranked status (Patroller, Sysop, Bureaucrat), that user has to follow ALL the rules, regardless of experience.
  7. BoygeyMario (talk) Per All!
  8. Bowser's luma (talk) I fear using my <sarcasm> thing twice in two minutes will be frowned upon, so I will just say Per all.
  9. Lindsay151 (talk) They're there for an exact reason. Per all
  10. Super Mario Bros. (talk) – To quote somebody, "This is as ridiculous as the Mario Knockoffs proposal, per all." Also, stop suggesting we move things to Userpedia. That comment is directed at everybody. The Userpedia staff should be consulted on anything of that sort, and the suggestion is haphazardly thrown around without a bit of thought behind what Userpedia is going through, how much Userpedia is trying to fix up, and how ridiculous dumping stuff from here is. And we need these pages anyway, so yeah.
  11. MrConcreteDonkey (talk) - Per all, mostly Walkazo and SMB. Userpedia isn't just a dump for this information.
  12. Not Bugsy (talk) - Per all. You never know when a user might need these pages, so it's best to have these on hand.
  13. Toad85 (talk) - Per Walkazo, Phoenix, and SMB
  14. Lakituthequick (talk) - Why should we? When I was new, these pages informed me really. Per all.
  15. Mario Bros.! (talk) –Per absolutely everyone
  16. Reddragon19k (talk) I'll agree! That's per all fifteen!
  17. Smasher 101 (talk) Per all.
  18. MeritC (talk) Forgive me if I'm sounding crazy on this vote, but if this gets removed, it's going to do nothing but create a WHOLE LOT OF CONFUSION about which users belong to which group. The layout we have here is fine as it is. So IT DOES NOT NEED TO BE CHANGED. Period.

Comment

Access to the current lists of patrollers and sysops is in the welcome message already. Mario4Ever (talk)

The deadline was wrong. Wrong day, wrong time. - Walkazo (talk)

@Walkazo: The FAQ page isn't that big, so users can go there and see the question they are looking for if we put the correct title on it. As mentioned, the list is there in the welcome letter, but if it isn't there is no problem in doing so. If the staff really believe this is for the worst and will be unconstitutional for this proposal to pass, they can remove with a reason. And I suggested to move the words (copy and paste) in the page and move it to the respectful article. I checked out the articles and there won't be a problem because the info has been separated by paragraph that one can obviously tell which one is the real informative one and which paragraph is fanon. Zero777 (talk)

They're not hidden. In the case of new users, they're easily accessible via the welcome message (which I'm sure doesn't get deleted at least without being read). Say a user wants to ask a sysop something. He or she clicks the link in the welcome message and is directed to a list of sysops. If he or she does not know what a sysop is, he or she clicks the word sysop next to the name of a user and is directed to MarioWiki:Administrators, from which most of the other pages can be accessed in the "See Also" section. Alternatively, a user can become familiar enough with one or more users to ask for any information that he or she cannot find on his or her own. It's better to let users ask for help than to force them to find such information such as is in these pages by coincidence and not understand it. Mario4Ever (talk)
You know that the MarioWiki:Admin page doesn't have a list of Sysops, it has a link which redirects to a list that look similar to a watchlist. And everyone else, stop saying that I am dumping, like trash dumping, info into the Userpedia, the respectful articles are barely edit with and the info present in these pages can massively help those individual articles. But really, how can we advertise these pages more because I don't think the Welcome letter will cut it as Walkazo said. Zero777 (talk)
We can link to them whenever the terms come up on MarioWiki and Help pages, like how we link to articles on the wiki. For example, MW:Admins is linked to on this page and both the blocking and warning policy pages (and the latter also links to the lists of Sysops and Patrollers, as does MarioWiki:Courtesy). Pertaining to your earlier comment, the questions are only extra content anyway: the main point of the pages is the information - information that users should not have to go to another website to find. Userpedia may be about the users of this wiki, but it is not officially affiliated with us and we do not, and should never, rely on it for anything, least of all administrative material. As for the prospect of the admins forcibly removing the proposal, we'd only do that as a last resort: as explained here, if something we're not keen on can still be voted down by the community as a whole, we'd rather let the proposal run its course and give everyone a chance to have their say. - Walkazo (talk)

Changes

None at the moment.

Miscellaneous

None at the moment.

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