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Grubba

Support

1. Stooben Rooben (talk) -- An extremely detailed article that contains a long biography on Grubba, as well as a "Powers and Abilities" section for when he transforms into Macho Grubba. The personality section describes how Grubba first appears as well as the side-effects of what his shallowness did to him. It also contains a fair amount of images, as well as good intro.
2. Luigifreak (talk) Wow. This is a great article for being in just one game- a series of great articles too (articles like Gus.)
3. Mario3v (talk) per all, this is a very good idea k.
4. Bloc Partier (talk) - Once again, Stoobs does not fail to blow me away. Congrats for a great article!
5. Super-Yoshi (talk) This article is just epic. Great job St00by!
6. SolarBlaze (talk) Yes, I agree. This article is very well-written. Especially the personality part. You described Grubba's personality a lot better than I did. Nice job.
7. Dom (talk) - I totally did some massive edits on this article. And Stooben rewrote most of it, which is why it's good, as it's been Stoobified.

Oppose

1. Son of Suns (talk) - The article has several low-quality images. The shots need to be of higher quality so that you can actually make out the characters when you enlarge the image. (Also, some background questions need to be resolved on the bottom of this page.)

Comments

Thanks for the compliments, guys, I really appreciate them! :D — Stooben Rooben 21:54, 17 January 2009 (EST)

This is a wonderful article. I have several questions/comments, and depending on the answers, minor changes to the article may be required.

1. In the background section, there is no mention of the power draining machine until it is used on Prince Mush. If I didn't know the story of the game, I would be very confused. It just appeared out of the blue in the article. It should be mentioned earlier in the article where this machine came from, or at least that it existed.
2. The article says that Grubba gave Mario a thirty coin gift for unknown reasons. I always thought it was a bonus for Mario reaching the Major Leagues (like a company bonus). Am I totally off-base or is there evidence to support my idea?
3. What does the "Double Attack?" column in the Powers and Abilities section mean? That should be explained in that short paragraph prior to the chart.
4. Could you explain the "slight arm movement" topic in the Physical Appearance section? I'm not sure what you are trying to get at...
5. And from the Trivia section...what's a "Grubber?"

-- Son of Suns (talk)

1. Well, since I'm the one who added that, I guess I could go ahead and explain. "Grubber" has many meanings, and among all those meanings is a slang term, which means to "eat" or "feed", and that's most likely referring to the fact that Grubba would "snack" on other peoples' energy (as he worded it when he transformed into Macho Grubba).

-- SolarBlaze (talk)

Since SolarBlaze was kind enough to answer the fifth point, I'll answer the other four.

1. I looked through my game guide again and found two tiny sentences that roughly explained the origins of the power-sucking machine. Hopefully I did okay at writing that.
2. I apologize for that. I own both a glitched version of the game — which contains alternate text, battle sequences, and textures than the regular version — and the original version. I got the text between the two mixed up, so you are right about it being a gift for making it into the major league. It wasn't a company bonus, but it was a sort of encouraging gift provided by Grubba.
3. "Double Attack" is an official term referring to an enemy being able to attack both Mario and his partner in one shot. I added a brief note under the table explaining the term, in case anyone doesn't know what it means.
4. To be completely honest, I have no idea why I put that there. Then again, I was editing that at around 4:00am, so that probably explains it. :P

— Stooben Rooben 03:16, 18 January 2009 (EST)

Wow this met requierments in 1 day? Luigfreak Mai talk

1. Thanks.
2. Thanks.
3. Thanks.
4. Okay, I was actually referring to that whole paragraph about the arm movement. I'm not sure why that topic needs to be mentioned.
5. Thanks.

=) -- Son of Suns (talk)

Lol, Stooben you were writing about how good the article is and I chuckled for obvious reasons. (But it certainly is very good) Dom »» McTalk

I don't want to oppose and remove the FA status, but here's several complaints: much of the story is told from Mario's limited point of view, not including the backstory. Too much detail is given to Mario. Instead of focusing on Mario's actions, we should be focusing on Grubba's, like noting that Grubba is implied to have sent the threat to Mario, incapacitated Andy and that other fighter, and so on. We should also reveal Jolene's intentions from the get-go. There's a problem with the writing style that is sort of hand-in-hand: it's written like a story rather than an encyclopedia. Also, shouldn't the abilities of Macho Grubba go solely on Macho Grubba's page? On this page, I would think we'd want to just say, "Grubba is physically weak due to old age without the assistance of his power-sucking machine. However, with the machine he can transform into Macho Grubba, who has a variety of powers and abilities at his disposal." Stumpers! 15:05, 19 January 2009 (EST)

The focus given on Mario is, (to me, at least), still giving a heavy amount of focus on Grubba's actions. Like, the sentence explaining when Mario made it to Champion status, it says that he was stationed in the Champ's room that day; directly afterwards, it explains how he is directed by "X" to go find the ghost in the room — which is actually Grubba talking in his office. That sentence explains that Grubba, while talking to himself, was overheard, which lead to his secret being discovered. While I do admit that many sentences show focus on Mario, they explain his perspective of Grubba's actions, since Grubba's perspective is never seen. About the "Powers & Abilities", I like your example. It could explain how Grubba has no power in his normal state, and then could have a link saying, "for more information, see here". The "here" would link to a section of Macho Grubba's article explaining his powers and abilities. — Stooben Rooben 21:10, 19 January 2009 (EST)

I'm hoping that someone uploaded chapter 3 onto Youtube (I'm going to look for it now, I think) and that with careful analyzing I can figure out Grubba's actions. I'll take another look and see what I can do for the article. Stumpers! 21:52, 19 January 2009 (EST)

Stumpers' List o' Woes

1. We need tattle data for him. Otherwise, we should put on a "tattle data needed" tag, and thus the article cannot be featured.
2. Currently, the physical description section does not offer any information that cannot be glazed from looking at the artwork at the top of the article. Unless someone protests, I'll remove it.
3. The personality section makes claims about Grubba having paranoia - something that he did not have. He was actually very level headed throughout. It also gets POV when saying that Grubba was a "good guy." Yes, he is jovial and kindly so long as you don't get in his way, BUT... I hardly think it is our place to say whether a character is a good guy when they are an antagonist to the series' "good guy," Mario.

Thanks for listening and please post any complaints about my rewrite. Stumpers! 17:12, 20 January 2009 (EST)

I actually like the Physical Description section because it compares Grubba to other Clubbas and Tubba Blubba, something that is not obvious from the picture (they may not know what either one looks like). It should stay. And the only "POV" we can really include is claims made by Goombella or other characters in the game - essentially, how other characters view Grubba. -- Son of Suns (talk)

True, but I don't believe we need to describe what he is wearing, for example. I didn't mean Goombella's POV, by the way. If it is Goombella's point of view I've found, it should be noted as such. Stumpers! 19:25, 20 January 2009 (EST)

Oh okay. Yeah, I really don't have much opinion on the appearance section besides comparing Grubba to other Clubbas - that's interesting. We should know Grubba does wear clothes unlike other Clubbas, but whether all his clothing should be described is subject to debate. And yeah I didn't mean to imply that you thought that. I just wanted to point out that some level of "POV" is acceptable, as long as is is the POV of the game. =) -- Son of Suns (talk)

Let's just say that Stumpers rewrote the article since he made it look better than I did. :D (No, that is not sarcasm.) — Stooben Rooben 20:36, 20 January 2009 (EST)

Yeah, but you did the hard part of writing what I rewrote! I grabbed so many factoids mentioned in your original version that it was <Grubba>purdy darn tootin' easy!</Grubba> Thanks for doing it, Stooben! And it was my pleasure to rewrite it! Stumpers! 21:58, 20 January 2009 (EST)

Thanks! I guess teamwork is the key to success! =) — Stooben Rooben And lol at the Grubba comment. xD 22:27, 20 January 2009 (EST)

Wait...so Grubba was never champion of the Glitz Pit? -- Son of Suns (talk)

To the best of my knowledge, he was. Unless there's some lost test somewhere...? — Stooben Rooben 23:31, 20 January 2009 (EST)

Well according to the article now, he was the creator and manager of the Glitz Pit and never a fighter there. What is right? -- Son of Suns (talk)

I actually found the game's script and went through it. However, the script did not include the side conversations like those in the bar or Bandy's observations. However, according to what Grubba actually says to Mario, he was a martial arts fighter and became manager after he could no longer fight. The Glitz Pit is a "combat sport" arena. I'm trying to remember if the Glitz Pit is explicitly created by him, but I do know this from the script: Jolene's little brother, Prince Mush, was the FIRST champion, so it's a very new arena. No previous owner is ever mentioned. When Mush disappeared, Rawk Hawk became the champion of the pit, followed by Mario. So, unless we want to say that the sixty-year-old Grubba could defeat Rawk Hawk, Mush's rival, in battle, then no, he was not a champion of the Glitz Pit. About the images, there is only ONE image of questionable quality (remember our images are supposed to be low resolution for them to be fair, legal use), but we must consider this regulation: "…include a reasonable number of images of good quality if said images are available." Feel free to prove me wrong by finding a higher quality image, but I believe that's as high of quality that you're going to find. So, unless you feel that you can obtain a better image of Grubba defeated or can name a website that has one, I'd like to request that you remove that part of your oppose. The other part is a very good point, though. Stumpers! 13:44, 21 January 2009 (EST)

Why would the arena be new if Prince Mush was the first champion? Grubba could have fought Prince Mush when they were both younger, thus becoming the champion. I have no idea if he was champion or not though...we should investigate by checking some of the other comments from characters. That fact was on the wiki for a long time so maybe it has some credibility. About the images, a number of users here have captured images directly from the game, creating high quality but low resolution screenshots. So the images exist in the game, someone just has to get them. And it's not the opposer's job to fix up the article, but the supporters, so I don't have to get these images. I propose that the images either be replaced or completely removed, then I will remove my objection. -- Son of Suns (talk)