Talk:Iron Cleft

Merge with Armored Harriers

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Current time: Sunday, December 22, 2024, 15:10 GMT

Per SMW:Once and only once, this article is quite redundant with the text of Armored Harriers, which contains essentially the same information at the moment, even including the two Iron Clefts' stats. While the Armored Harriers aren't unique in being enemies exclusive to the Glitz Pit (the Tiny Spinies, KP Koopas, and Punk Rocks are other examples), they are uniquely story-relevant unlike those teams, are treated as mini-bosses and unique characters by the game (including separate Tattle Log entries for the two members owing to their slightly different designs), and frankly this article has little unique to offer as a result. I do think that there is an argument for merging the other aforementioned teams containing unique enemies as well, but there are more pitfalls there, such as the Magikoopa Masters containing unique enemies who previously appeared in Paper Mario on the N64, for example, or several of the later teams containing enemies that otherwise only appear in the Pit of 100 Trials, so I will restrict this proposal to the Iron Clefts, at least for the time being.

Proposer: Pseudo (talk)
Deadline: June 6, 2024, 23:59 GMT

Merge Iron Cleft with Armored Harriers

1. Pseudo (talk) Per proposal.
2. EvieMaybe (talk) permored proposier

Merge Armored Harriers with Iron Cleft

1. Camwoodstock (talk) Per proposal + comments below that this'd make more sense overall--either way, one of these ought to merge into the other.
2. Tails777 (talk) Primary option. Despite not fully being on board with merging them, I can see the valid points made. Everything can truthfully be told on one article, which would make sense. And if anything, I feel it's better to stick with the name of the enemy rather than the name of the team.
3. MegaBowser64 (talk) Per everyone (collectively)

Don't merge

1. Tails777 (talk) Secondary option. Truth be told, I'm not entirely on board with merging them, despite the valid points made. The Armored Harriers article does well to explain what the two Iron Clefts do from a story standpoint while the Iron Cleft article does what it needs to do to talk about the Iron Cleft.
2. Waluigi Time (talk) Either option would create a weird inconsistency in our TTYD coverage. Either Iron Cleft is the only enemy without its own page, or the Armored Harriers are the only Glitz Pit team without a page. The current situation is fine, Iron Cleft describes the enemy type and Armored Harriers is more about the characters and their role in the story. If anything, the enemy stats could be removed from the Glitz Pit teams across the board to cut down on redundancy.
3. SolemnStormcloud (talk) Per Waluigi Time.
4. Sparks (talk) Per all.
5. Hewer (talk) Per Waluigi Time, I don't think the similarity of the two articles alone is a good enough reason to merge them.
6. Nightwicked Bowser (talk) Per all. Also I've moved the Armored Harriers article to "The Iron Adonis Twins" due to what I said in my comment, so this proposal may need some name changing.

Comments

I feel that it should be the other way around, merging Armored Harriers to Iron Cleft, as the Armored Harriers are a team name while Iron Clefts are the actual enemies. Tails777 Talk to me!

I see the Armored Harriers as the name of the characters, and it's the primary name they're referred to as in-game, with "Iron Cleft" only appearing in battle if I'm not mistaken. If Rawk Hawk's species was said to be, say, "Birdman", I think it's fairly unlikely that we'd have a Birdman article separate from Rawk Hawk's, let alone having "Birdman" as the primary article title. -- Pseudo (talk, contributions) 17:16, May 23, 2024 (EDT)

EDIT: That said, I'll add this as an option for the proposal. -- Pseudo (talk, contributions) 17:18, May 23, 2024 (EDT)

They are still listed as Iron Clefts in the Tattle Log as well, hence why I prefer the idea of keeping Iron Cleft as the main article name, as that's the enemy name, rather than the title given to both of them as a group. Tails777 Talk to me!

Haven't decided on a vote on this proposal but there is something important I should bring up. In the remake, "Iron Adonis Twins" is their main name and I haven't caught a glimpse of the "Armored Harriers" name. Nightwicked Bowser 19:41, May 23, 2024 (EDT)

May as well update, "Armored Harriers" is the name they're introduced as in the remake, which in the original "Iron Adonis Twins" was. Nightwicked Bowser 11:32, May 24, 2024 (EDT)

I think it should be noted in this proposal, that considering the massive instant success this game has achieved, it's not unlikely that Intelligent Systems will roll back many of the decisions that resulted in Sticker Star-through-The Origami King (after all, it's money that matters, not stymieing creative control)... and as such, there's a real possibility that Iron Clefts could reappear in the future independently. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 20:27, May 23, 2024 (EDT)