Template talk:Character infobox

We should start using this. ^Plumber

It depends if people want to use it.Knife (talk) 16:47, 23 June 2007 (EDT)

*embarrased* I completely forgot about this. I'll recruit some people in the chat soon. Wa _T^C_@^Y 15:28, 20 July 2007 (EDT)

This should only be used on major characters. I don't think characters like the Paper Mario series partners or the Smash Bros. characters deserve the infobox. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 14:19, 22 July 2007 (EDT)

Define Appearances

Do cameos or mentions count as an appearance? For example, the PM partners had cameo appearances on Catch Cards, but does that mean we add that as their latest appearance?Knife (talk) 15:58, 27 July 2007 (EDT)

I don't think so. ^Plumber 15:59, 27 July 2007 (EDT)

Someone like Geno, who only had two appearances, I could see you doing that. Not so much for a major character, though. Stumpers! 21:27, 13 December 2007 (EST)

Minor? Major? What?

Should we remove the Importance area of the template, since it seems a bit opinionated? For example, Waluigi is one of the most recurring characters in the Marioverse, yet he isn't one bit important to Mario main adventures. And people like Parakarry (who unfortunately isn't as recurring) is a pretty important character (Mario couldn't clear the rest of the game without his infamous carry ability). So should we perhaps remove the section, to be fair?Knife (talk) 14:25, 2 August 2007 (EDT)

I think so. Xzelion^ETC

Origin

I can't seem to get origin to appear on the articles... check out Village Leader and MC Ballyhoo for examples of my problem. Stumpers! 10:31, 15 August 2007 (EDT)

Goombario also uses it. It seems to be the place where the character can be found. A gossip-loving Toad (Talk) 03:54, 22 June 2016 (EDT)

Affiliation

What does this mean? Characters the character is allied with (i.e. Bowser with the Koopa Troop, Mario with Luigi) or characters they're affiliated with, as in, you think Waluigi, you instantly think Luigi and Wario. -- Sir Grodus

Template

Should we use these template on generic enemies such as blooper?F g

It's about characters, not species. It doesn't fit, species don't have a full name and don't have a, well, species. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 14:25, 25 August 2007 (EDT)

I'm not going to start a flame war but they are a species like for instance goomba is referred to fungus and blooper is referred to squid.F g

That are comparisons to the Real World, not the species' "species". - Cobold (talk · contribs) 14:28, 25 August 2007 (EDT)

I think a species infobox would be a good idea though. I would create it but I have no technical expertise.Knife (talk) 14:29, 25 August 2007 (EDT)

I agree with Knife.F g

That would be neat, but I've got my locations infobox, so I can't complain. (ty again, Wayoshi!) Stumpers! 21:28, 13 December 2007 (EST)

Roles?

Can someone add a new section in this infobox? Mario and Luigi got over way to many heroric roles in this Universe.(Super F22 Pilot 19:12, 18 December 2007 (EST))

Other Series Characters

I think we need to make a decision on how we're going to list characters from other series' first appearances. Some give their official first appearance, while others list both that and their first Mario appearance.

I saw a nice-looking setup on the Entei article, and I think we should use that. Anybody else? Dodoman (talk)

Policy

Since this page contains a policy/guideline for template usage (esp. the image parameter), should the page at least be categorized as Category:Writing guidelines or Category:MarioWiki policies? Just a thought.

Shokora (talk · edits) 04:02, 21 December 2012 (EST)

Apparently the syntax of the image parameter is not consistent on the wiki -- {{location infobox}} only wants the file name and specifies a default width (250px) that can be overriden. --A gossip-loving Toad (Talk) 00:28, 25 December 2016 (EST)

New parameter

It could be interesting to add a parameter for alternative names and/or alteregos. On the top of my head, there's Mario/Jumpman/Mr. Video/Ossan/Dr. Mario/Paper Mario, Luigi/Dr. Luigi/Mr. L, Peach/Toadstool/Nurse Peach, Wario/Wario-Man, Zelda/Sheik, Link/Young Link/Toon Link, Bowser/King Koopa, Bowser Jr./Shadow Mario, not to mention all the babies. And maybe that whole Donkey Kong/Cranky Kong thing if that's still canon.

Maybe some of these only belong in the introduction paragraph ("previously known as..." is fine and it wouldn't be very interesting to add it to the infobox). But when alteregos have their own articles and own biographies, it might be interesting to have a place to link them together. I'm thinking of the Paper versions, the babies, Mr. L, etc.

Banon (talk · edits) 17:34, 28 December 2015 (EST)

Gender

I Checked many other NIWA Wikis and they had the Gender Stat on them,why this Wiki doesn't use it as well? --User:Red Yoshi 1.5 & Squid Sisters/sig

It could be initial oversight, but I'm not sure if we need to go through the trouble of adding in another detail. On the other hand, this wiki does not even have categories on gender either. I think we can benefit from an additional parameter, but it seems kind of trivial overall. Mario^-HOHO! (Talk / Stalk) 17:03, 4 April 2016 (EDT)

"Full name"

This parameter is painfully overused. The vast majority of characters in this franchise have no need for it, yet I constantly see it uselessly slapped on character infoboxes despite serving absolutely no purpose. What's the use of informing the reader that Toad's full name is "Toad", Wario's full name is "Wario", Donkey Kong's full name is "Donkey Kong", etc.? It's redundant and pointless. Honestly, do we really need this parameter? Most Mario characters either do not have distinct full names, or their full name is already the title of the article (e.g. Professor Elvin Gadd). This parameter either needs to go or get a massive cleanup. 20:10, 19 August 2018 (EDT)

Is this an optional parameter? If it isn't, then change it to that. It's completely redundant as we have a big title of the article page, the name being in bold in the first sentence, and there's the name in the infobox header as well as (optionally) an caption that states the character's name. Mario^-HOHO! (Talk / Stalk) 20:31, 19 August 2018 (EDT)

It's already an optional parameter. The problem is that many editors seem to have a bad habit of manually adding it to character infoboxes regardless of whether or not it's actually necessary (and it rarely is). 20:38, 19 August 2018 (EDT)

It works for characters like Princess Peach, but can be removed otherwise. There's no harm here regardless, though. 20:40, 19 August 2018 (EDT)

Is there a way to program the parameter so that if it's the same as the article title or "title" parameter, it doesn't appear? Or maybe just have a bot remove them? 20:36, 26 August 2018 (EDT)

Another example I found is Jessica. "title" is meant to remove the identifier in an infobox, and "full name" is meant to show the full name of the character. Two different parameters meant for two different things, though if they aren't being used correctly, they should definitely be adjusted/removed on the page. 20:46, 26 August 2018 (EDT)

That doesn't answer my question at all. The problem is that this issue is so widespread that fixing this manually will take forever, and I don't even know of a way to generate a list of pages that use the parameter. 20:53, 26 August 2018 (EDT)

There are a lot. I don't think it's possible for a bot to accurately remove the unnecessary ones, nor is there a way to tell it what's necessary and what isn't. I can't think of a way to make it disappear when "title" is used, as I said, they are two parameters used for two different things. Correcting everything will definitely take a while, but I disagree that the parameter is outright unnecessary. 22:20, 26 August 2018 (EDT)

I've finally weeded them all out. For whatever reason, I found a lot of instances of this parameter in species infoboxes. 03:16, 11 February 2019 (EST)

Mario-related media

Before I enact the changes from my proposal, I'd like to get some input on including "Mario-related media" in these cases. I think it should be removed when it's the only game in the latest appearance section, because while it's technically accurate, it seems like an unnecessary distinction. I'm also worried that it could confuse users who might think we're just ignoring their latest appearance outside of Mario media altogether. Thoughts? -- Too Bad! Waluigi Time! 12:51, November 16, 2019 (EST)

I think the "Mario-related media" identifier shouldn't be included if it's the only one in the section, because it would technically be redundant if it's the character's latest appearance overall. --DeepFriedCabbage 15:11, December 4, 2019 (EST)

Yeah, if the game is just their latest appearance altogether, "Mario-related media" is unnecessary. 15:13, December 4, 2019 (EST)

I agree with the other two. Like they said, if it's just their latest appearence in general, it's unnecessary. WeirdDave13 (talk · edits)

Per everyone else. TheDarkStar 17:49, December 4, 2019 (EST)

Alright, seems like we have a consensus here, thanks everyone! I'll get started. -- Too Bad! Waluigi Time! 18:30, December 4, 2019 (EST)

Variant parameters?

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Sorry if this is too bold a suggestion, but I was thinking it might make sense to add the "variant of" and "variants" parameters to the character infobox? These are some examples where I think that might prove helpful. Hypothetically, at least.

• Dry Bowser as variant of Bowser
• Pewee Piranha as variant of Dino Piranha (possibly treating Dino Piranha as a character like King Kaliente, rather than a species)
• Big Bungee Piranha as variant of Naval Piranha (possibly treating Naval Piranha as a recurring character, rather than a species)
• Tap-Tap the Golden as variant of Tap-Tap the Red Nose
• Torkdrift as variant of Spindrift (possible example of a character being a variant of a species, rather than a member)

Thoughts? Blinker (talk) 14:53, November 4, 2023 (EDT)

What would qualify as variants or not? I don't want to go into speculative territory where editors are arguing about, say, Bowser Jr. is a variant of Baby Bowser? Koopa Kid a variant of Baby Bowser? Can you think of more instances where is potential debate or was actual debate on what qualifies as variants or not? How were those settled if that's the case? Mario^-HOHO! (Talk / Stalk) 15:15, November 4, 2023 (EDT)

I'm not sure how to formally describe it, but basically cases where a character is created using another character as a basis. I recognize that both Bowser Jr. and Koopa Kid probably take inspiration from Baby Bowser, but I wouldn't consider those as variants. I guess a general rule of thumb would be, if you can describe one as the other, but insert-adjective-here, it counts. So Bowser, but skeleton, Dino Piranha, but junior (not sure what this says about Bowser Jr., I will admit I didn't think that far ahead), Naval Piranha, but bungee, etc. Eh, I don't know, sorry, but it's not that clear cut when it comes to species either. As for the last two questions, I'm not sure what you mean. Blinker (talk) 15:36, November 4, 2023 (EDT)

I'm just asking you to anticipate what discussions have been involved related to this. Like your examples might not invite debate, but you or others may have been involved in debates in MarioWiki on the relationships of some characters and species. I just think it's important to be aware of any potential relevant discussions in MarioWiki and see how they're resolved or may remain contentious. I'm not necessarily challenging your position, I just want us to think this very through before we make a bold change. Mario^-HOHO! (Talk / Stalk) 15:40, November 4, 2023 (EDT)

Honestly I'm going to oppose this idea, your second comment looks like this could get very messy and debatable. Nightwicked Bowser 15:42, November 4, 2023 (EDT)

Add gender parameter

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Current time: Thursday, December 5, 2024, 02:50 GMT

This proposal aims to add a gender parameter to the character infobox. As stated in an above section, several other NIWA wikis have a gender parameter in their infobox, and I also wondered why this wiki doesn't do the same. I don't know if there's much of a case to make for adding a gender parameter, because several characters have a gender (just like how characters are each a different species), so it would make sense to add that characteristic into an infobox.

Okay, so a bit of digression, but I think this can help with unverifiable uses of pronouns in the article. For example, I see Bleak being called a "he." Is there any source to back that claim? If so, would we rather do it within the article text or his listed gender in the infobox? I'm leaning toward the latter.

Another question: if this passes, how would we handle this on articles of ambiguously characters like Birdo or Vivian? Should most articles require a citation for a character's gender in the infobox, including for each one for ambiguously gendered characters? An exception to this would be if it's widely known, such as how everyone knows that Luigi is a male.

Proposer: Super Game Gear (talk)
Deadline: January 19, 2024, 23:59 GMT

Support

1. Super Game Gear (talk): As proposer

Oppose

1. Swallow (talk) Pretty sure this should be obvious for any character without needing to state it. We also don't need to do everything that other NIWA wikis do.
2. SolemnStormcloud (talk) Per Swallow.
3. PnnyCrygr (talk) The character's gender is already stated in the intro paragraph of their article as a pronoun. No need for a parameter then!

Comments

Swallow, wanted to say that a character's gender is not always obvious at a glance. I've cited Birdo as an example, as looking at Birdo and Vivian does not immediately tell the reader about the gender controversy surrounding those two characters. Super Game Gear (talk) 17:06, January 5, 2024 (EST)

The opening paragraphs of both articles do mention that they are transgender and have another section going into more detail about it. I think that's good enough. Nightwicked Bowser 17:09, January 5, 2024 (EST)