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#{{User|Reversinator}} Per proposal. | #{{User|Reversinator}} Per proposal. | ||
#{{User|Luigi is OSAM}} It should only were going to allow an enemy that debuts in a game to be considered referenced every time it appears in a game, then, for example, [[Super Mario Bros.]] could have a reference section listing every game [[Goomba|Goombas]] appear in, and their role in those games, the same for [[Koopa|Koopas]], [[Piranha Plant|Piranha Plants]], etc. It doesn't make any sense, and is not really a reference. If a spin-off series mentions something from a game (eg: a sticker in SSBB), ''then'' it could be considered a reference because that is (at least partially) intended to be a reference. | #{{User|Luigi is OSAM}} It should only have real references. | ||
#{{User|Bop1996}} Per proposal. If we were going to allow an enemy that debuts in a game to be considered referenced every time it appears in a game, then, for example, [[Super Mario Bros.]] could have a reference section listing every game [[Goomba|Goombas]] appear in, and their role in those games, the same for [[Koopa|Koopas]], [[Piranha Plant|Piranha Plants]], etc. It doesn't make any sense, and is not really a reference. If a spin-off series mentions something from a game (eg: a sticker in SSBB), ''then'' it could be considered a reference because that is (at least partially) intended to be a reference. | |||
#{{User|Iggykoopa}} Per all however i do feel that it is a reference when something like a [[Spike]] reappears or if say [[Phanto]] or the [[Goomba's Shoe]] ever came back | #{{User|Iggykoopa}} Per all however i do feel that it is a reference when something like a [[Spike]] reappears or if say [[Phanto]] or the [[Goomba's Shoe]] ever came back | ||
#{{User|Reddragon19k}} Lose it! Per all if you please. | #{{User|Reddragon19k}} Lose it! Per all if you please. | ||
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References are not that simple; if they were, a concise rule set would be developed already. But as we do not know what Nintendo was thinking, we can't do this. I ''definitely'' don't think that every game with a Goomba in it is a reference to SMB, or that every game with Mario is a reference to the original DK. But sometimes when enemies appear, it is a reference (i.e. Dino Piranha in SMG is referenced by Peewee Piranha in SMG2 (sorry, couldn't think of anything better)). So it's complicated. And ''then'', to make matters more complicated - music. Sometimes music is remixed music from another game, sometimes it's the same, sometimes it's different, but we can't be sure whether music that sounds like it's from SMB3 is actually a reference to SMB3 or they just ran out of sound files so they remixed something. Like I said, the references to other games sections are very complicated. {{User|Marioguy1}} | References are not that simple; if they were, a concise rule set would be developed already. But as we do not know what Nintendo was thinking, we can't do this. I ''definitely'' don't think that every game with a Goomba in it is a reference to SMB, or that every game with Mario is a reference to the original DK. But sometimes when enemies appear, it is a reference (i.e. Dino Piranha in SMG is referenced by Peewee Piranha in SMG2 (sorry, couldn't think of anything better)). So it's complicated. And ''then'', to make matters more complicated - music. Sometimes music is remixed music from another game, sometimes it's the same, sometimes it's different, but we can't be sure whether music that sounds like it's from SMB3 is actually a reference to SMB3 or they just ran out of sound files so they remixed something. Like I said, the references to other games sections are very complicated. {{User|Marioguy1}} | ||
:I agree with Marioguy. Nintendo seems to love including nostalgic references to other games, and then not specifying whether it is a reference or not. Where does that leave us? It seems that this is going to be a case-by-case situation. However, I feel that this discussion is clouding the issue a bit. {{User|Bop1996}} | :I agree with Marioguy. Nintendo seems to love including nostalgic references to other games, and then not specifying whether it is a reference or not. Where does that leave us? It seems that this is going to be a case-by-case situation. However, I feel that this discussion is clouding the issue a bit. {{User|Bop1996}} | ||
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===Split <nowiki>Category:Donkey Kong Levels</nowiki> into Separate Categories=== | |||
<span style="color:red;font-family:Comic Sans MS;font-size:150%">Don't split 21-24</span> | |||
This is my first proposal. There are many games in the [[Donkey Kong series]]. The category, Donkey Kong Levels, there is too much content. It has about 5 different games in one category. I think we should make categories for each game. For example, '''<nowiki>Category:Donkey Kong Country Levels</nowiki>''', etc. It would be easier to find levels and it wouldn't take up 2 pages! We should make one for every game such as [[Donkey Kong Country 2]], [[Donkey Kong Country 3]], [[DK: King of Swing]], etc. It just seems easier to navigate levels. We should also delete the original one if we make other categories. I will add a section for making new categories and I will add one for keep the original one as is. | |||
'''Proposer''': {{User|DKPetey99}}<br> | |||
'''Voting start''': March 24, 2011 0:00<br> | |||
'''Deadline''': <s>March 32, 2011, 0:00 GMT</s> '''Extended''': <s>April 8th, 2011, 0:00 GMT</s>, April 15th, 2011, 0:00 GMT | |||
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====Make a New Category==== | |||
#{{User|DKPetey99}} - It is my proposal and I think it would help the wiki ''and'' other users by making it simple to navigate levels by games. | |||
#{{User|M&SG}} - That sounds like a good idea. | |||
#{{User|Kaptain K. Rool}} - Per M&SG. | |||
#{{User|SWFlash}} Per proposer. | |||
#{{User|Reddragon19k}} Love it! Per SW and Kaptain K. Rool! | |||
#{{User|Bowser's luma}} Per all. | |||
#{{User|Akfamilyhome}} That'd make it more simple. Per all. | |||
#{{User|Magikrazy51}} We don't have all the Mario <s>games</s> levels in one category. | |||
#{{User|Yoshidude99}} Per Magikrazy51. | |||
#{{User|Nicke8}} Per Magikrazy51 also. | |||
#{{User|Boowhoplaysgames}} Per All | |||
#{{User|Ilovemarioandtoad}} Per All | |||
#{{User|Lucas777123}} Per All. | |||
#{{User|IGGY7735}} Per all. | |||
#{{User|BoygeyDude}} Why not? Per all | |||
#{{User|Allycat0925}} Per all. | |||
#{{User|Superfiremario}} Per all. | |||
#{{User|YoshiGo99}} Per all. | |||
#{{User|SuperYoshiBros}} Per all. | |||
#{{User|DK and Diddy Kong vs Bowser and Bowser Jr.}} Per DKPetey99. | |||
#{{User|yoshiyoshiyoshi}} Per all | |||
====Keep Original Category==== | |||
#{{User|Walkazo}} - Just use the games' navigation templates: they're supposed to have all the levels listed, and generally they'll be arranged by world, which is a much better way to organize the levels than the alphabetical categories. It's better if all games, ''DK'' or otherwise, simply have general categories for all their subjects. | |||
#{{User|Bop1996}} Per Walkazo. I don't see why this is necessary. | |||
#{{User|Paper Yoshi}} - Per Walkazo and Fawfulfury65's comment below (although FF65 hasn't voted yet). | |||
#{{User|Luigi is OSAM}}- Is this really necessary? It's sort of like going to the characters catagory and complaining about how they don't have a catagory for just characters from cirtian games. I mean, if you know your alphabet, it should be pretty easy. | |||
#{{User|Iggykoopa}}- per Walkazo and isnt Donkey Kong technically it's own franchise | |||
#{{User|Yoshiwaker}} - per all. | |||
#{{User|Reversinator}} Per all. | |||
#{{User|Baby Mario Bloops}} - Per Walkazo above and Fawfulfury65 below. | |||
#{{User|MrConcreteDonkey}} - Per all. | |||
#{{user|Bloc Partier}} - Per Walkazo. | |||
#{{User|Fawfulfury65}} Per my comments and everyone else. | |||
#{{User|Mario4Ever}} Per all. | |||
#{{User|UltraMario3000}} Per all. | |||
#{{User|Edofenrir}} - Per Walkazo and FF65. | |||
#{{User|Gamefreak75}} - Per all. | |||
#{{User|Super Mario Bros.}} – Per all. | |||
#{{User|Theguywithtwohats}}- per all | |||
#{{User|Marioguy1}} - I believe that we tried to get rid of categories that list things that should be in a navbox. That's my way of saying "per Walkazo". | |||
#{{User|Xzelion}} - Per Walkazo | |||
#{{User|Turboo}} - per all | |||
#{{User|Glowsquid}} - per Walkazo. | |||
#{{User|Smasher 101}} - Per all | |||
#{{User|Lu-igi board}} - Per all | |||
#{{User|LeftyGreenMario}} If a giant list sounds cumbersome, good old CTRL + F will help. Otherwise, I do not find this proposal necessary. The category is general, but it is not so vague that we need to make subcategories out of it. That's what it sounds like to me anyway. This is a ''per all'' war, isn't it? | |||
====Comments==== | |||
We shouldn't delete the Donkey Kong levels category because it can be useful in finding many DK levels. Also, if we really want to find information about a Donkey Kong Country 2 level or something, why can't we just look in [[:Category:Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest]], or the category for any other game? There's also templates that you can use to easily find levels in one of those games. {{User|Fawfulfury65}} | |||
MS&G: You know your vote is invalid. You can't simply say, "Good idea" if you want to support. {{User|BabyLuigiOnFire}} | |||
BabyLuigionfire why can't you just because you have nothing new to add doesnt mean it isnt valid other wise like 20 votes from other propsals that say per all | |||
{{User|Iggykoopa}} | |||
:''If anyone has an idea about improving the wiki or managing its community, but feels that they need community approval before acting upon that idea, they may make a proposal about it. '''They must have a strong argument supporting their idea''' and be willing to discuss it in detail with the other users, who will then vote about whether or not they think the idea should be used.'' Simply saying "Good idea!" is NOT a strong argument. And please don't backsass me like that, it's very rude. {{User|BabyLuigiOnFire}} | |||
::@Iggykoopa it doesn't matter that it has its own Franchise, the categories should be made into games {{User|DKPetey99}} | |||
Baby luigi on fire the rules state that Every vote should have a reason accompanying it. Agreeing with or seconding a previously mentioned reason given by another user is accepted.{{User|Iggykoopa}} | |||
:::That is still not a strong reason. I suggest the very least was to "per" the user. And leaving a vote blank in the support section is still an agreement, but we still delete it anyway since the reason is not strong enough. {{User|BabyLuigiOnFire}} | |||
Like I, {{User|Magikrazy51}} said in the opposing section, "WE DONT HAVE ALL THE MARIO <s>GAMES</s> LEVELS IN ONE CATEGORY!". | |||
:@Magikrazy this proposal is to split the enemies catagory of DKC, not the game catagories. {{User|Yoshiwaker}} | |||
::Actually, it's for the levels in the game. Read the proposal, we were both wrong. {{User|Magikrazy51}} | |||
@Babyluigionfire how is saying per all not the same as saying good idea #{{User|Iggykoopa}} | |||
:Because saying "per all" is like repeating what the users said. Saying "good idea" is just as good as saying nothing when you support/oppose. However, I sometimes see "per all" votes with severe skepticism. {{User|BabyLuigiOnFire}} | |||
Babyluigionfire how is saying per all any different than saying good idea when your agreeing with a proposal {{User|Iggykoopa}} | |||
:Per all means, "I would say the same thing as everyone else, but it would take up extra space and time." It takes up less time if you read through the votes and say, "Hmm, I agree with what (insert one to three users here) says, so I'll say per all and reference all those votes at once." However, sometimes per all votes are used lightly, which is what I think BLOF said, mostly in cases where there was no vote that had complete reasoning. {{User|Bop1996}} | |||
im confused are there votes invalid are not? {{User|Iggykoopa}} | |||
:The ones that say "I like this idea" or "This sounds like a good idea" have no substance, so a sysop may decide to remove them. The votes that say "Per all" are perfectly valid, so long as someone out there said something valid. {{User|Bop1996}} | |||
Speaking of that... @Lucas777123: You vote is invalid. Please add a reason on why you think this is a good idea, or I'll remove your vote. {{User|Fawfulfury65}} | |||
:@YoshiGo99: Your vote is equivalent to Lucas777123's vote. Lucas has been warned already, so you should change your vote too. {{User|Bop1996}} | |||
I think to split the category, because to those who oppose, and this is soley my thought, but: It's like saying let's merge all of the Mario series levels into one category, and list all of them '''''in''''' one category. Then, we list all hte levels, under one category. {{User|Boowhoplaysgames}} | |||
:It took me a while to understand ''what'' you were saying. If you are saying what I think you are saying, which is that if we keep the levels from one series merged, we will eventually list all the levels on the wiki in one category, that is the wrong way to argue. It's known as "slippery slope", and it's when you extrapolate a disastrous outcome eventually based off one or two plausible extrapolations. If not, it's probably circular reasoning, which is self-explanatory. {{User|Bop1996}} | |||
[[User talk:YoshiGo99|And you]] [[User talk:BoygeyDude|gotta]] [[User talk:IGGY7735|support me]], [[User talk:Ilovemarioandtoad|too!]] It seems like some people are supporting this just because they were asked to. That's just what it looks like to me. {{User|Yoshiwaker}} | |||
:Asking people to vote is fine, and telling people that their objection to a proposal or FA suggestion has been fixed is fine, but I think I saw a sysop ask someone not to ask people to vote a specific side, and promising to do something in return is a little suspicious... {{User|Bop1996}} | |||
::Which sysyop? {{User|Reversinator}} | |||
:::Not sure, I was looking through a bunch of talk pages this morning, but I ''think'' I saw it discouraged. Anyway, it's probably not a good idea to ask people to vote a certain side unless you direct them to a reason seen on the proposal. If you just say "vote support" or "please oppose" it could discourage people to read the proposal and see the arguments against... Not suggesting anything, but it doesn't seem like the greatest idea... {{User|Bop1996}} | |||
I greatly discourage anyone to tell another user to vote on a certain side. Supporting a proposal because someone told you to is a horrible idea, but I do feel that some users have been doing this, since a lot of the supporters have been asked to support it. I hope that all of the voters have read through the proposal, thought about it, and have read through the opinions of others, because if not, we may not have what's best for the Wiki. Asking them to vote for the proposal is OK, though, as they might not feel forced to vote on the side they were told. {{User|Fawfulfury65}} | |||
:Per FF65. It would really suck if a proposal passed simply because the people supporting it had more friends, and I'd also prefer it if people don't go soliciting support from their buddies, but there's no rule or anything saying that you absolutely cannot do that. If "friend votes" start becoming ''disruptive'', the admins might have to become more aggressive about dissuading this behaviour, but hopefully it won't come to that. We can also hope that the friends at least vote based on how they personally feel about a proposal, even if the only reason they're checking it out is because they were called over by their pal. - {{User|Walkazo}} | |||
I agree with this, and Im all for FF65. I think it isn't a good thing, that you vote on a certain side, because someone told you; DKPetey99 has done a good job not telling other people to vote support: Me and my bro. both got messages saying to vote on his proposal, but didn't say which side. We both simply voted support, because we had a discussion on what we think is best. I greatly discourage any favors, or things a sysop, or anyone, to do so they get the most support/no support. This is a fair Proposal, if the issue with the one sysop wasn't happening with this proposal that is...{{User|Boowhoplaysgames}} | |||
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Allow autoconfirmed users edit other users' userpagesDON'T ALLOW 1-34 Recently I have seen red links, redirect links, etc. on other peoples userpages along with deleted images and I was wondering if us autoconfirmed users can edit their userpages for errors, etc. It really doesn't make sense that only sysops get to edit this so I set up this proposal. Also, on Wikia we get to edit others' userpages along with most other wikis. Proposer: Kaptain K. Rool (talk) Support
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Comments@Yoshiwaker: We can revert vandalism if they do put junk on our userpages and we do need to help the community too. Kaptain K. Rool (talk)
I think we would need to talk to Steve about this even if the proposal did pass... Marioguy1 (talk)
Imagine a vandal coming onto your userpage and replacing all of your personal information with fake, unnecessary and inappropriate information that could be offensive to you. This. What if people go to my user page and say "I hate (insert any Nintendo character here)!"? It offends me a lot when Kirby or Diddy Kong gets insulted. DK and Diddy Kong vs Bowser and Bowser Jr. (talk) Basically, if a user page has any red links, let the Sysops handle that stuff. That's why the Sysops are here; if you want a user page fixed, just contact me or any other Sysop. M&SG (talk) @Kaptain K. Rool - Adding on to what I said above: you say we need to "help out the community" by "removing red links, redirect links...along with deleted images," but technically, userpages are not really part of the community in this context. Pretty much the whole point of it being your userpage is that it's, well, your userpage. If other people start editing it left and right, then it's not really just yours anymore is it? That's the one thing that sets userpages apart from every other article on this wiki. In your argument, it seems to me that you're almost saying that the prospect of complete (and possibly recurring) userpage obliteration is better than some of the fairly minor problems you list above. Long story short: the only part of the wiki that we are responsible for improving is the articles. Phoenix (talk) 17:48, 19 March 2011 (EDT)
I can see it possibly working if you could lock off sections of a page. Which would be FANTASTIC! for many articles. E.g. All of the stuff like release dates for past games that aren't going to change could be locked off. But until then...No. Geniusguy445 (talk)
Merge all of King Koopa's alter egos into one articleMerge to King Koopa's alter egos 20-3-0 On The Super Mario Bros. Super Show! King Koopa has many alter egos. These alter egos are just him in a different costume. The costumes don't give him any extra abilities, they are only seen for one episode, and while wearing the costumes, King Koopa is no different from when he's not wearing the costumes. Thus, I propose to merge the alter-egos of King Koopa that currently have an article (Al Koopone, Captain Koopa, Emperor Augustus Septemberus Octoberus Koopa,Kid Koopa, Koopa Khan, Koopa Klaus (alter ego), Moon Man Koopa, and Robo Koopa (alter ego)) into a single article. I'd prefer merging them to King Koopa's alter egos, but I'll also add a section to merge them to Bowser. Proposer: Reversinator (talk) Merge to King Koopa's alter egos
Merge to Bowser
Leave them splitCommentsI agree. Just as how the Super Strikes and Mega Strikes were merged together, these alter egos should be merged together. DK and Diddy Kong vs Bowser and Bowser Jr. (talk) How are you planning on merging? Are you going to add a new column to the table, or do something altogether different. Bop1996 (talk)
Before merging King Koopa, I suggest that you merge Robo Koopa to Robo Suit, because I feel that information belongs there rather than being deleted. Also, what are we going to do with the Featured Article status on Robo Koopa if this proposal passes? BabyLuigiOnFire (talk)
Although I believe the pages have enough information to stand by themselves, I'll stay open to any opinions before voting, as I never watched The Super Mario Bros. Super Show!. Paper Yoshi (talk)
While this is going on, how about merging all of the pages on the (sort of borrowing my brother's idea here, please don't add a megabyte of protests to my userpage, again) Super Paper Mario people, and other single-appearance things? Mpeng (talk)
I think Robo Koopa should keep its own article, and FA status - if it's long enough and good enough, what's the point of merging and losing a great article. Instead, we can just use {{main}}. If we merge it, we're bound to lose some information and that's not good for the Wiki. MrConcreteDonkey (talk)
Merge Minor NPCs with their locationDON'T MERGE 1-16 There are a lot of articles for minor NPCs in RPGs that are too minor to be their own article. I believe we should merge them with the location where they are, so they can be found easily. Also, many of these articles are stubs anyway, so it would also get rid of some stubs. Input new rules for name changingDON'T INPUT 1-19 I used up my 2 chances to change my name, but I find my current name to be too long. I say to increase the number of times we can change our names to three, and place a limit on how many letters, numbers, spaces, etc. to 20. It saves users from making their second (and last) name change, then realizing that the username is too long. Make an Article for AR gamesMake an Article for AR games 15-0 I think AR games needs a page on here.It has a lot of Mario characters in it No other wiki has a page for AR games,and it's Mario related,so it should have an article. Template:Scrollbox
Remove certain entries in "References in Other Games" sectionsRemove Entries 13-0 On most of the articles about games, there is a "References in Other Games" section that lists games that reference that game. What's the problem? If an enemy is introduced in one game, and then that enemy is used in a future game, it is considered a reference to the former game. May I ask why? If an enemy appears in another game, that means it is a recurring enemy. The first game just introduced it. Template:Scrollbox Split Category:Donkey Kong Levels into Separate CategoriesDon't split 21-24 This is my first proposal. There are many games in the Donkey Kong series. The category, Donkey Kong Levels, there is too much content. It has about 5 different games in one category. I think we should make categories for each game. For example, Category:Donkey Kong Country Levels, etc. It would be easier to find levels and it wouldn't take up 2 pages! We should make one for every game such as Donkey Kong Country 2, Donkey Kong Country 3, DK: King of Swing, etc. It just seems easier to navigate levels. We should also delete the original one if we make other categories. I will add a section for making new categories and I will add one for keep the original one as is. Proposer: DKPetey99 (talk) |