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Fine but what if we see a user edit the page, then can we take advantage of the situation and get rid of my headache forever? {{User|Marioguy1}} | Fine but what if we see a user edit the page, then can we take advantage of the situation and get rid of my headache forever? {{User|Marioguy1}} | ||
:Yes, that would be fine. {{User|Time Q}} | :Yes, that would be fine. {{User|Time Q}} | ||
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===More Than A Joke=== | |||
<span style="color:green;font-family:Comic Sans MS;font-size:150%">DO NOT ALLOW FAKE "NEW MESSAGES" BOXES 9-6</span> | |||
Over on Bulbapedia, they've recently created a rule that doesn't allow the fake "new messages" box template. And I think we should have that rule too. | |||
It was OK to start off with, but it's like that "Uranus" joke- IT'S GETTING OLD, VERY ANNOYING AND NOT EVEN REMOTELY FUNNY! | |||
Almost every User Page I go on, I see a fake "New messages" box that gets me excited, but then I put my cursor over it and it says it leads to a random page, or the "Special: Mytalk" page. They are absolutely meaningless, and it makes our Wiki look like a load of pranksters. To cut a long story short, it makes us look bad, and if somebody was thinking of joining, they might be misled into thinking that they'll just get teased a lot. | |||
So, let's get rid of those templates on User Pages! | |||
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'''Proposer:''' {{User|Hyper Guy}}<br> | |||
'''Deadline:''' July 18, 2009, 20:00 | |||
====Support==== | |||
#Because I made this proposal, I'm in. Read the description for my reason! {{User|Hyper Guy}} | |||
#I hate those fake boxes. {{User|Egg Yoshi}} | |||
#Per all.I rarely get a message, and when I see that banner, I get all excited, then before I know it, I'm on some YouTube page or something. {{User|Supermario6449}} | |||
#{{User|Super Mario Bros.}} You know what? I now agree. This is a joke, it was funny at first, but now it's just gotten annoying. Some of us have slower older computers as it is, why should we have to be subject to ''unnecessary'' slow loading time just because another user thought it would be funny? It also sparks too much false hope into us when we go ahead and see that it was fake. Perhaps we should allow boxes that do not have misleading text. | |||
#{{User|Leirin}} Per all; it isn't even funny. While I have never clicked a link on one of these fake 'new messages' boxes, it is very easy to accidentally click it out of excitement. And it's very easy to link it to a page or website that is innapropriate, and that user who clicked the link out of misfortune would be forced to see it. And that's just NOT RIGHT! | |||
#{{User|Baby Mario Bloops}} I seriously hate them. I didn't care for them until I clicked on one. It sucks when your expecting a message and it shows one, and leads to that one youtube singer. Who would do this, it's torture! | |||
#{{User|Timmy Tim}} per all, I'm sick of them. | |||
#{{User|Ben117}} I've been there before, and I don't want that to happen to other people. Per all. | |||
#{{User|Dom}} Concise version: It's troublesome and not even funny, thus failing the definition of 'joke'. And per Leirin, as it could link to a page that, while not inappropriate, may cause trouble for that user in some way. | |||
====Oppose==== | |||
#{{User|Ralphfan}} - It's become sort of a tradition, and so many people have it, so it would be hard to get rid of them all. | |||
#{{User|Dark Lakitu 789}} Per Ralpfan,The fake message box is nothing more than a harmless joke. | |||
#{{User|Zero777}} I am Zero! Yes, it's just a harmless joke and plus before you click on it, it will tell you where will you go, and who cares about that, that is more like your personal promblem and you can click the last page button anytime. But, there should be a rule about not makeing fake messages that make you log out. Zero signing out. | |||
#{{User|Marioguy1}} - The [http://www.pokemon.wikia.com last wiki] that copied Bulbapedia got caught in a '''huge''' vandalism war because Bulbapedia has over 10,000 users and lots of them really like it (I was one of the people who pointed out the similarities between the two wiki's pokemon platinum articles, yes I used to edit there under Pokemonguy1, see any similarities?). Anyhow, I don't want to enter into the same predicament that they were in. | |||
#{{User|SpriteYoshi}} per all. If some user wants to act like s/he is 7 years old with the Uranus joke then let them | |||
#{{User|Lu-igi board}} per all. harmless fun that gives you a good feeling to fall for, just like rick-rolling. | |||
====Comments==== | |||
Maybe, I said MAYBE, we could make it against the rules to log users out with that thing, doing that is '''actually''' annoying - {{User|Marioguy1}} | |||
:Yeah, per Marioguy1. {{User|Super Mario Bros.}} | |||
I am Zero! A pokemon wikia, '''I HATE WIKIAS''', I just wish that all wikias are deleted except for the ones that don't have a good/wiki counterpart. Zero signing out. {{User|Zero777}} | |||
:Actually Zero, a wikia is a collaboration of all subjects, if the Pokémon and Mario wikis are deleted, how will that be a collaboration of all subjects? - {{User|Marioguy1}} | |||
This is (perhaps) the only good Proposal I've seen this year. Shame on all of you for opposing it. It's almost as unfunny as being rickrolled. {{User|Dom}} | |||
Rickrolling is hilarious, Gamer2.1 does it to everybody, all you have to do is press the back button (yeesh, can't even take a joke) {{User|Marioguy1}} | |||
:Those who find rickrolling and fake New Messages funny are sad, sad people. That's why I'm retired from this sad, sad place. The immaturity is unbearable here. {{User|Dom}} | |||
::Takes one to know one, See ya! {{User|Marioguy1}} | |||
:Nobody is forced to visit other user's pages. Our goal is not to talk to each other and have a funny user page, but to write articles. It's fine having your own user space and putting a lot of cool stuff on your page and all, but if you say you retired because of some jokes on user sites, you didn't take the actual goal of the wiki very serious. - {{User|Cobold}} | |||
you hate immaturiaty and yet you have a wombat with a mario hat on your page, Dom? the word "fail" springs to mind....[[User:Lu-igi board|Lu-igi board]] 13:08, 14 July 2009 (EDT) | |||
:You're saying this and yet you nominate rubbish images for FI and write down 'great picture :)' even though 95% of the time, they are not. If that isn't the pot calling the kettle black, I don't know what is Lu-igi board. And besides, St00by made them for him because he's Australian. {{User|Timmy Tim}} | |||
::Still, Dom accepted them and Lu-igi Board is not immature, great image is very well a reason to support an image and will you please remind me when your opinion of an image (oor even 500 people's opinions) were Lu-igi Bosrd's? {{User|Marioguy1}} | |||
:::If you must, continue this discussion on your talk pages, but '''not here'''. Thanks. {{User|Time Q}} | |||
:::OK, see [[User talk:Marioguy1|my talk page]]! {{User|Marioguy1}} | |||
KangaFlora: Do you know what we're talking about? {{User|Tucayo}} | |||
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Revision as of 07:13, July 19, 2009
MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive Template Poll Selection PageREORGANIZE 7-0 I looked at the Poll selection page, and I have to admit something: It is a disaster. So here is what I am proposing: We clean it up. To get more into detail:
If this is passed, and it works, we can make suggesting and voting on new polls easier, quicker, and more efficient. Also, this plan can reduce loading time for the pages. Proposer: Super Mario Bros. (talk) Reorganize Poll Selection Page
Leave It the Way It Is (Messy and Destroyed)CommentsPaper Yoshi, I'm sorry to say I can't have your help in reorganizing the page right now, but in helping to observe the rules and help keeping it cleaned after I finish reorganizing it will help me a whole lot, as we might as well not do the proposal if the page is going to get messed up again. So, once again, to help me, all you need to do is keep the page clean once I'm finished. Thank you for your wanting to help me though. Super Mario Bros. (talk) Zafum (talk) - How are you going to be able to get rid of the signatures that cover most of the polls already? I'm sure your not going to delete all those polls?
Enforce No-Signature PolicyADD NEW RULES 3-0 I feel that the "No-Signature Policy" on many of the pages around the wiki have been utterly violated. Many of the users like to use the "letter of the law" technique as opposed to the "spirit of the law", which, in other scenarios, is okay, but is not good to this policy. Due to many pages that feature the "No-Signature Policy" having limited space, they cannot touch upon the many ideas that were originally expressed when this "policy" went into enactment. As of such, as I stated earlier, many users dodge the rules (see the second bullet in my above proposal about the Poll Selection page). As of such, I would like to create one page that has detailed rules on the subject, and that could be linked to pages that share these many ideas. The page, if created, would most likely be titled MarioWiki:No-Signature Policy. A rough draft of my proposed page can be located here. Proposer: Super Mario Bros. (talk) (With great advice from Walkazo (talk)) Make the New Page
Leave It the Way It IsCommentsOn what pages exactly has this rule been violated? What pages are under this rule, anyway? - Cobold (talk) 17:36, 29 June 2009 (EDT)
I made changes on the page that is linked to. Walkazo gave me some great suggestions, and I incorporated them into the rules list. Super Mario Bros. (talk)
I find it ridiculous and annoying that almost all proposals these days are about signature rules. Dom (talk)
Article censorshipNO CENSORING 12-0 I want to settle this once and for all. Do we want to censor the Bob Hoskins article or not? Proposer: Clear Discoherency (talk) Don't censor it
Censor itCommentsClear Discoherency (talk) I think this younger person stuff is bullcrap because if we all know what a swear is then how is exposing us to a swear gonna hurt us? Explain that smb.
I wouldn't think it would by true to the quote by changing quotes however. Why would anyone care about a quote with the f-word in it? Yknow I used to not swear at all but when I realized it was pointless to not swear I swear all the time now.Clear Discoherency (talk)
This whole edit war is pointless anyway. Its only going on because Max2 acted immature about a little swearClear Discoherency (talk) Enough of the flamey remarks, already. We have no mandate to be a "kid-friendly" Wiki, all we are obligated to do is tell the truth. Every time someone goes on the Internet, they run the risk of running into profanity, or worse, and heck, you take the same exact risk everything you go outside. It's not our responsibility to shield little kids from words they are gonna learn sooner or later, and if it interferes with our abilities to communicate all the Mario-centric information at our disposal, we shouldn't even be trying. In the case of Bob Hoskins we can preserve most of that quote without profanity; it was a compromise many agreed on, and it still stands. - Walkazo (talk)
I'm done arguing and wasting my breath about this even though it was pointless in the first place. Go ahead and go eat each other if you want I'm setting this one out. Clear Discoherency (talk)
In response to SMB's earlier comment: A) I said "flamey", not "flaming". B) I wasn't talking about the proposal itself, I was talking about the comments: "So why do you want your bullsh*t so bad, huh?" "Well, the young shouldn't have to be subject to your bullcrap, ok?" "Explain that smb." - that's all egging each-other on, which is "flamey" - you're In response to Walkazo: Ok. Directed towards CD: Please delete this proposal. If the edit war is pointless, please just delete it. You should have dealt with Max2 yourself or had another user, perhaps sysop or bureaucrat, deal with him. Super Mario Bros. (talk) It is not mine, CD created it. Super Mario Bros. (talk)
Just to be clear, is this only for Bob Hoskins? Because Princess_Toadstool_for_President has the word "fuck" in it, and it'd be nice to have it set in stone somewhere what happens when this inevitably comes up again. Twentytwofiftyseven (talk) Per twenty of two seven, walka please look at his points then tell me if we shouldn't have the word "fuck" in the Bob Hoskins article.--Clear Discoherency 01:03, 5 July 2009 (EDT) The deadline is up now anyway too bad we havn't reached a verdict besides walka's answerClear Discoherency (talk)
Well, it's 4-0 against censorship, which is a pretty clear verdict. But, if it only applies to Bob Hoskins, then that's not so much of an accomplishment of policy making. Now, I'm not sure why exactly there would be a need for a proposal so specific, but that's what the text seems to imply. After all, we can't really say "no lol it meant this," and expect it not to raise issues. Or, at least, I see it that way. Twentytwofiftyseven (talk) 01:24, 5 July 2009 (EDT) "walka" is me, right? Pertaining to 2257's example, "jävla" has to be included in order to properly explain Bowser's "Din jäv-" quotation, and if we have the Swedish swear, why not the English equivalent? Still, like the Bob Hoskins quote, I suppose it would be possible to just leave the whole Trivia point as this, and still cover all the bases:
Personally, I think the whole "jävla" exposition is interesting, but it's not essential, so I can see why removing it (and the full Bob Hoskins quote) is a reasonable compromise in the face of these sort of heated debate. "Fuck" is simply not worth the trouble. - Walkazo (talk)
YourBuddyBill (talk)Couldnt we just replace the word with F*** or sonething along those lines? This has been blown out of proportion. Update One After AnotherDO NOT UPDATE ONE AFTER ANOTHER 4-8 I propose that everything on the main page like featured article, featured image, poll, and did you know sections should all be updated between one hour to one day after another, it doesn't really matter in what order they should be in, just as long as they are updated, and there time limit should be one week of staying in the main page, Mario news and proposal section should be the only exceptions. I said this because one time the "did you know" section, it had the same three trivias stayed there for about three months and like six months ago on the poll section it didn't work on some computers. The main page is sometimes confusing to keep track of even if your'e a user or just a visitor to the site, so that is why I came up with this idea. Proposer: Zero777 (talk) Support
Oppose
CommentNot to be rude, but that would screw up the Featured Article and/or Featured Images schedule, each one is only supposed to be up on the Main Page for a week, it's not that simple, even though it seems minor, this would require a lot of work during a day. Super Mario Bros. (talk) 18:47, 6 July 2009 (EDT)
No Signature Policy on FA PagesAPPLY NO SIGNATURE POLICY TO FA PAGES 7-0 OK, I'm pretty nervous, this is my first proposal and I have no idea how to do it. I've asked Walkazo and I think she explained it well so bear with me. I think that the proposals for featured articles and proposals to unfeature articles are very good and put power even in the hands of the users and for this, I commend whoever helped make it. The only problem with this system (according to me) is the fact that those pages do not observe the no-signature policy. When I look at the nomination for Luigi, I see a giant mess of names and pictures which really distracts me from the point of the page. If we could just add the rule that the page follows the no-signature policy then we could follow some of the most important parts of the wiki, without getting a headache. I know this may inconvenience several users but you can show your signature off on almost every single page on the wiki! Why does it have to be on an FA page. The pages for Featured Image, Featured Poll and even this page follow that policy, so why shouldn't the Featured Article be like the Featured Image or the Featured Poll? Thank you and I hope you consider my proposal carefully before voting. Proposer: Marioguy1 (talk) Support
OpposeCommentsBasically to sum this up, read the title, it says everything. Marioguy1 (talk) If this proposal passes successfully, please do not edit all the signatures on the existing FA nomination pages, because that would manipulate the date of the last edit, and this date is important (nominations that haven't been edited in a month are deleted). Time Q (talk) Fine but what if we see a user edit the page, then can we take advantage of the situation and get rid of my headache forever? Marioguy1 (talk) More Than A JokeDO NOT ALLOW FAKE "NEW MESSAGES" BOXES 9-6 Over on Bulbapedia, they've recently created a rule that doesn't allow the fake "new messages" box template. And I think we should have that rule too. It was OK to start off with, but it's like that "Uranus" joke- IT'S GETTING OLD, VERY ANNOYING AND NOT EVEN REMOTELY FUNNY! Almost every User Page I go on, I see a fake "New messages" box that gets me excited, but then I put my cursor over it and it says it leads to a random page, or the "Special: Mytalk" page. They are absolutely meaningless, and it makes our Wiki look like a load of pranksters. To cut a long story short, it makes us look bad, and if somebody was thinking of joining, they might be misled into thinking that they'll just get teased a lot. So, let's get rid of those templates on User Pages! Proposer: Hyper Guy (talk) Support
Oppose
CommentsMaybe, I said MAYBE, we could make it against the rules to log users out with that thing, doing that is actually annoying - Marioguy1 (talk)
I am Zero! A pokemon wikia, I HATE WIKIAS, I just wish that all wikias are deleted except for the ones that don't have a good/wiki counterpart. Zero signing out. Zero777 (talk)
This is (perhaps) the only good Proposal I've seen this year. Shame on all of you for opposing it. It's almost as unfunny as being rickrolled. Dom (talk) Rickrolling is hilarious, Gamer2.1 does it to everybody, all you have to do is press the back button (yeesh, can't even take a joke) Marioguy1 (talk)
you hate immaturiaty and yet you have a wombat with a mario hat on your page, Dom? the word "fail" springs to mind....Lu-igi board 13:08, 14 July 2009 (EDT)
KangaFlora: Do you know what we're talking about? Tucayo (talk) |