Talk:Hurricane (move)

does this give star points if enemies are defeated by it? yoshiyoshiyoshi (talk)

Only defeating enemies yields Star Points, not removing them. Mario4Ever (talk)

If you use Gale Force on TTYD,you get star points.
— The preceding unsigned comment was added by Yoshiyoshiyoshi (talk).

Merge to Gale Force?

This should probably be merged to Gale Force, shouldn't it? Not only do they have the same name in Japanese, French and German, but also the concept is the same of the cloud-themed partner with strong winds blowing away the enemies. The likely reason this wasn't caught in translation like the other returning partner moves is that, while Goombella is a Goomba like Goombario, same with Kooper and Koops, and Bombette and Bobbery, Flurrie isn't a Lakitu like Lakilester. Blinker (talk) 12:43, June 30, 2024 (EDT)

Nope. They have completely different button commands, Gale Force allows you to get Star Points while Hurricane doesn't. There's also the fact that the English remake still calls Gale Force by its name instead of Hurricane. PrincessPeachFan (talk) 12:52, July 1, 2024 (EDT)

Tons of moves have different action commands between the two games, the differences between these two aren't more than the differences between the two iterations of Bomb (went from requiring 3 FP to requiring none, got a completely different action command, deals one less point of damage, and is used by a much more late-game partner), and... yes, the remake didn't change the name for this move. Why would it, though? It's not like the name's wrong, and it's one of this game's partners' signature abilities, so it makes a lot of sense to keep the name. Blinker (talk) 13:34, July 1, 2024 (EDT)

Merge with Gale Force

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Current time: Wednesday, January 22, 2025, 22:04 GMT

Let's sort the above dilemma out, to clear out unresolved discussions. Are Gale Force and Hurricane the same move? Let's run the facts down, for easier reading:

• Both moves share a name in Japanese (important), French and German (less important, but still worth considering).
  • ...but the remake didn't rename Gale Force to Hurricane in English.
• Both are used by a cloud-themed partner (Lakilester and Flurrie).
  • ...but they're way different from eachother, unlike Goombario and Goombella, Bombette and Bobbery, and the rest.
• Both consist of blowing a gust of wind to instantly defeat enemies, with different enemies having different vulnerabilities.
  • ...but Gale Force gives Star Points, while Hurricane doesn't. They also have different Action Commands, and Gale Force can also be used as a field move.
    • ...but Bombette and Bobbery's respective Bombs also have different Action Commands, and they are way more different from eachother than Gale Force and Hurricane while still being considered the same move.
    • Additionally, TTYD rebalances Star Points in several ways, including all battles always giving at least one. Gale Force's change might have more to do with that than anything intristic to the move itself.

Proposer: EvieMaybe (talk)
Deadline: January 30, 2025, 23:59 GMT

Support: Merge Hurricane into Gale Force

1. EvieMaybe (talk) personally i'm pretty convinced, they definitely FEEL like the same move. ELABORATION EDIT: specifically, Gale Force feels like an attempt at rebalancing how Hurricane worked, since it's a bit of a paltry move in the original. all of its changes are less to do with the essence of the move, and more with the specific minutia. i can easily see a world where Hurricane functions like Gale Force.
2. Camwoodstock (talk) Given the fact we merge Bobbery's and Bombette's Bomb attacks, this seems only fair.
3. Sparks (talk) Per all.
4. Blinker (talk) Per proposal and the above discussion.

Oppose: Do not merge

1. PrincessPeachFan (talk) No.
2. Mario (talk) The anticipated rebuttals actually do make a stronger case for leaving split. These are considered two different moves in the English version, further reinforced by the remake leaving it as a separate name. This is the sort of case where I'm like "when in doubt, leave split". The Bombs were merged for sharing a name, though if consistency is very important, I rather these were split than merged.

Hurricomments

I'm gonna have to oppose on the grounds that all the reasons were given were how the moves are different. PrincessPeachFan (talk) 09:09, January 17, 2025 (EST)

i've noticed you doing this several times, and i want to ask: wouldn't it be easier to put your argument for why you're not voting on the vote itself, instead of just having a flat "no" and having to comment under to explain it? — eviemaybe (talk / contributions) 10:36, January 17, 2025 (EST)

I'm going to agree with Evie on this one, it's very discourteous to split your justifications out like this. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 10:42, January 17, 2025 (EST)

Because if I just said No, then someone would have asked why I was opposing. PrincessPeachFan (talk) 10:38, January 18, 2025 (EST)

You see how people write their arguments as part of their votes? Maybe do that instead of just a blunt (and redundant) "No". Blinker (talk) 11:33, January 18, 2025 (EST)

@Mario Is there "doubt", though? I mean, they have the same name, pretty much the same role, the same animation. That's the kind of thing is a move's identity, not the specifics of how exactly it does the thing it does. And the point about the remake keeping the original name is a little odd because this isn't the only move that happened with. Spin Smash from the original Paper Mario returned in TTYD, with a (kinda inexplicable) different English name, a different method of unlocking and a field equivalent, and that one got merged some time ago. See Talk:Spin Smash. The point being, the remake didn't change names of moves for consistency with the original Paper Mario, so why would we expect it to here? Blinker (talk) 06:39, January 22, 2025 (EST)