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| ===Modifying Wiki Appearance===
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| Long have I heard about "boring white" and "weird logo". Long have you hopefully heard I can do amazing things like [[User:Wayoshi/monobook.css|this]]. Long have you thought it's time for a change...or not? That's what we're here for to decide...
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| *I am thinking we need a nice touch of red, but not as drastic as my skins (the h1 Jokerman font is not supported by all comps, anyways; the logo would not have those special effects...unless you think a reddened would work?).
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| *I think to really set us apart as unique we need to change the link colors: RED as the article EXISTS, PURPLE as the article DOES NOT EXIST. I understand if there's too much opposition to this, I won't try it.
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| *I'm thinking of using my current background font, "Super Mario Bros.", with caps filled in and non-caps just an outline, in the logo, and thus keeping the current skin's font intact.
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| This is somewhat of a special proposal, because it's going to REQUIRE some comments from all who support. Not supporting means you don't want any change to the wiki skin. Supporting means you do want something to change, any one of the above, something not mentioned above, or even all. Please explain in your line of support or in the comments what exactly you think needs to move on. Thank you!
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| '''Proposer:''' {{User|Wayoshi}} <br>
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| '''Deadline:''' 20 September, 20:00
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| ====Time to Make a Change====
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| #{{User|Wayoshi}} – I like all of the above...
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| #{{user|1337Yoshi}} – The wiki is kinda plain as of right now. But Fantendo already has red links for existing articles, so maybe we should have existing articles some other color (to really set us apart). The logo does need some updating, since it's been like that since the Wiki was founded. Not much else to really say about it, though.
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| #{{user|Negative Squad}} – Per all. The wiki has been like this forever, and we NEED a new logo.
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| #{{user|Phailure}} &nddash; Per NS. I don't care about color, but our logo NEEDS to be changed. Perhaps we could use something like Mariopedia's[http://editthis.info/mariopedia/Main_Page] logo, I dunno.
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| #{{User|Walkazo}} - The current Logo could definitely be improved upon. But the colours (the links especially) should stay the same; creativity is good and all, but most people don't like it when the bare basics are spontaneously changed after years of service for no tangible reason.
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| #{{User|Palkia47}} – as said above, it's just plain white, and is simply boring. The logo is just... blah.
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| #{{user|Luigi001}} I really only think the logo needs updating. It's terribly boring. I'm not sure about everything else though...
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| #{{User|Tucayo}} Per Walkazo, but the links should stay the same, as it would be confusing to change the colors.
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| ====Current Appearance is Fine====
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| #{{User|Super-Yoshi}} - Teh old school apperance looks fine. It just wouldn't give the regular feeling of coming onto a page in Mario Wiki.
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| #{{User|Blitzwing}} - I agree our current logo isn't exactly stellar, but if the rest of the skin is not broke, why fix it?
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| #{{User|Time Q}}: I see no need for a change. Even the logo seems quite ok to me. Also, isn't this proposal somehow "insidious"? It's like "only oppose if you want absolutely nothing to change". I thought you'd have to actually make a specific proposal, and users should only support if they completely agree with what is proposed. But here it's the other way round.
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| #{{User|Garlic Man}} - I like the classic logo. And I don't want anything besides whitish-gray in the background, or else it's going to distract me. A lot. And I don't like the idea about red links purple links; it'll just make this wiki look like we're just trying to mess around with CSS rather than get stuff done. First impression, that is. Also, depending on ppl's opinions, if it becomes a dark background, I wouldn't like that. I just don't like dark backgrounds. That's why I stopped going to ZeldaWiki and Fantendo. I tried using Wayo's Css and modeified a bit, but even the smallest things changing is really inconvenient(no offense, Wayo. It's only my opinion). It's something you can only tell once you actually experience it.
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| #{{User|Princess Grapes Butterfly}} Per all. I like the classic background. So what if its plain. (BTW Bright colour may hurt peples eyes.)
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| #{{User|Stumpers}} - I want the Wiki's appearance to change, but I really think that red would be a very poor choice. Yes, the logo does need an update. I think this proposal really has too much gray area - you're basically asking us to give you permission to go forward on this and make decisions as you see fit for a time. I think it would be better if you could figure out EXACTLY what you want to do before you ask us to give you permission. Can you show us an example of what you're thinking of instead of just giving us the code? And yes, red links for created articles would be very confusing. I agree with some of the proposal's points, but not others.
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| #{{User|Cobold}} - per Stumpers. I see this proposal a bit lacking real ideas. Steve accepts submissions for redesigns (just create a monobook), and tell if he likes it or not. New logo: Yes.
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| #{{User|Stooben Rooben}} - Per Stumpers; the logo is really the only thing that needs a change.
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| #{{user|Jdrowlands}} - If you do not like our current skin, you can [[Help:CSS|make your own]]. I see no point in changing the default.
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| ====Comments====
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| 1337Yoshi – what I meant is, separate us from major wikis like Wikipedia, the Star Wars Wikia one, etc. All those are basically white with blue links, the default (though the Stars Wars one did a good job altering it slightly). {{User|Wayoshi}}
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| :I didn't see much wrong with the logo, but meh, I got my own css. It sucks, but it's better than having red links as existing. I'd rather have purple for existing, IMO. But I'm either way. {{User|Garlic Man}}
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| Walkazo: The "tangible" reason is that I've heard 10s of complaints about the "boring white" wiki. {{User|Wayoshi}}
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| Garlic: Maybe you modified it incorrectly. :| {{User|Wayoshi}} 10:06, 14 September 2008 (EDT)
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| Time Q: There's too many possibilities to list them all. {{User|Wayoshi}} 10:07, 14 September 2008 (EDT)
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| :I'm pretty torn on this one. I think a red background might be a tad garish; for example, look at [[User:Pokemon DP|Pokemon DP]]'s userpage – it is a solid red with yellow font. As long as it's a more subtle red like <font color=indianred>this</font color> or <font color=firebrick>this</font color> I won't have any problems with it.
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| :My second concern is the change in link color. I think it's a good concept, but if the background were to stay a grayish-white, I would not be able to see the purple links. I know probably everyone else could, but I couldn't – that's something else I'm not particularly fond of.
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| :As for the font change, I have no objections to that. As long as it's not Webdings or some moronic font like that, I'm fine with it. {{User|Stooben Rooben}} 10:16, 14 September 2008 (EDT)
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| ::I don't think we should change the link color or font. There's always the option to create your own monobook. Red on white is much harder to make out than blue on white. {{User|Cobold}} 17:41, 14 September 2008 (EDT)
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| :::I gotta agree. You know, I was wondering - couldn't we use the backgrounds from Super Mario All-Stars as our backgrounds (we could fade the images much like we do for the backgrounds now)? That would be very old skool and it would give us a little color without obstructing text or changing anything too dramatically. {{User|Stumpers}}
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| ::::I was never going to do red links on white – it would be red links on red. And I would never make it as extreme as a userpage might, I'm always testing tens of colors until what I find is perfect. Am I going to have to make a sample of what I'm thinking of doing? *waits for agreement* {{User|Wayoshi}} 22:44, 14 September 2008 (EDT)
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| :::::That would be nice so that we would know what we're voting on. {{User|Stumpers}} 23:35, 14 September 2008 (EDT)
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| ::::::Agreed. {{User|Stooben Rooben}}
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| I personally believe that the results of this proposal will not be definitive: voters who have the same opinions (ie that links should stay the same color but the logo should change) are voting either oppose or support. In other words, the proposal isn't specific enough as I stated in my vote: this is the evidence of that. Wayoshi, if I were you, I'd delete this proposal, finish up your ideas, make a mock-up, and make a new proposal that says, "Let's do exactly this." {{User|Stumpers}}
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| :Yeah, I agree with this. This is not how proposals (should) work. {{user|Time Q}}
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| ==Miscellaneous== | | ==Miscellaneous== |
| ''None at the moment. | | ''None at the moment. |
