MarioWiki:Proposals

Proposals can be new features (such as an extension), removal of a previously added feature that has tired out, or new policies that must be approved via consensus before any action(s) are done. Any user can support or oppose, but must have a strong reason for doing so, not, e.g., "I like this idea!" "Vote" periods last for one week. All past proposals are archived. A proposal section works like a discussion page: comments are brought up and replied to using indents (colons, such as : or ::::) and all edits are signed using the code {{user|User name}}. Signing with the signature code ~~~(~) is not allowed due to technical issues. How To Actions that users feel are appropriate to have community approval first can be added by anyone, but they must have a strong argument. Users then vote and discuss on the issue during that week. The "deadline" for the proposal is one week from posting at: Monday to Thursday: 17:00 (5pm) Friday and Saturday: 20:00 (8pm) Sunday: 15:00 (3pm) Every vote should have a reason accompanying it. At any time a vote may be rejected if at least three active users believe the vote truly has no merit or was cast in bad faith. However, there must be strong reasons supporting the invalidation. "# " should be added under the last vote of each support/oppose section to show another blank line. Any proposal that has three votes or less at deadline will automatically be listed as "NO QUORUM." The original proposer then has the option to relist said proposal to generate more discussion. All proposals are archived. The original proposer must take action accordingly if the outcome of the proposal dictates it. If it requires the help of a sysop, the proposer can ask for that help. There are two topics that cannot be decided on through a proposal: the first is sysop promotions and demotions, which are decided by Bureaucrats. Secondly, no proposals calling for the creation of Banjo, Conker or Sonic series articles are allowed (several proposals supporting them have failed in recent history). The times are in EDT, and are set so that the user is more likely to be online at those times (after work/school, weekend nights). If a proposal is added on Saturday night at 11:59 PM EDT, the deadline is the next Saturday night at 8:00 PM. If it is a minute later, the deadline is a day plus 15 hours (Sunday), as opposed to a day minus 4 hours. CURRENTLY: 21:57, 27 December 2024 (EDT) New Features Super Mario Western Show On YouTube it has become a phenomenon, simply by searching the title. I mean, it's Mario noteworthy I would think, if it's become popular -- I just wanted to see if anyone had an opinion to share on this. Proposer: Crystal Batamon (talk) Deadline: September 3, 2008, 17:00 Support Oppose Walkazo (talk) - We only incude official Mario information here, not fan-creations. Toadette 4evur (talk) Per Walkazo. Stumpers (talk) - If they're ever endorsed or licensed, we can mention them. If they become prominent, like being on TV, you can mention it on TV Sightings or the respective page. Time Q (talk) Per all. (I've always wanted to put this, and only this.) Stooben Rooben (talk) - Per Time Q. Clay Mario (talk) - Per Stumpers and Walkazo Comments Walkazo: If you think about it, the Mario Bros. Comics, TV shows, Movies, w/e, are all "fan-creations", mind you. :\ Garlic Man (talk) But they were published works, meaning they had to get licensing, etc.; there's a HUGE difference between that and YouTube. Also, we already had a proposal about Flash fan videos (a long time ago), like The Rise of the Mushroom Kingdom, which lost. - Walkazo (talk) Our definition of "fan-creations" are those which are created with no official connection to Nintendo whatsoever. Additionally, parodies, such as those on the Simpsons, are included on the Sightings pages. However, the comics, TV shows, movies, manga, anime, and even the coloring books were officially licensed by Nintendo, which means they are just as official as titles such as Mario Hoops 3-on-3, in which another company requested Nintendo's permission first rather than having Nintendo ask them. Mind you, I'm sure that at least one of the alternate media sources was created as a result of Nintendo approaching the company responsible, such as Valient or DiC. So, unless you're about to start calling a variety of video games, "fan-creations," you're going to want to know the difference between 1st Party, 2nd Party, 3rd Party, and fan-creations. Ah yes, speaking of: another "canon" source in which Nintendo didn't publish it was Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games. If you remember, that one was overseen by Sigeru Miyamoto, so I don't think that publisher should be grounds for defining fan-creation either. Stumpers (talk) 20:14, 27 August 2008 (EDT) Removals None at the moment. Splits & Merges Mr.L I know some people are gonna hate me for this but I propose we merge Mr. L and Luigi. I know he's an enemy In Super Paper Mario but no were else. His page is a near copy of his section on Luigi's article, he only appears three times (once in Luigi's clothing), and finally, he is Luigi, only brainwashed. Proposer: tanokkitails (talk) Deadline: September 7, 2008, 15:00 Support tanokkitails (talk)-Above text Ghost Jam (talk) -- While it's debatable if they are the same character, the Mr. L article is an exact copy of already existing material in the Luigi article. Seems redundant. Oppose Stumpers (talk) Aw, nobody's going to hate you for it! We're not that bad... right? Still, though: if we merge Mr. L and Luigi we'll also be doing things like merging Dry Bowser to Bowser, Shadow Mario to Bowser Jr., and Dr. Mario to Mario. I prefer to keep such articles separate because then its not such a blatant spoiler when you type in one name and it turns into another character. (ie imagine if someone didn't know Mr. L was Luigi and he got linked to the Luigi page... spoiler!) Pikax (talk) - Per Stumpers, who took the words from my mouth. YellowYoshi398 (talk) - Per Stumpers. Plus, Mr. L is almost a character in his own right; his mentality and even some of his skills and abilities (like his knack with machines) are different from those of Luigi. As for how poor Mr. L's page is, I'll probably work on it soon. Stooben Rooben (talk) - Per Stumpers; and no, I don't hate you, Tanokkitails. The.Real.Izkat (talk) - Per All Luigi28 (talk) I agree with Stumpers Walkazo (talk) - Per all. Shrikeswind (talk) - Per all. Mr. L is, like Yellow Yoshi says, almost a character in his own right, in a similar fashion to S. Mario and Junior (except the personality changes more than the appearance in that case, though Mr. L does have a different look than Luigi based on the outfit.) I don't hate you for this proposal, but this proposal should come no further, for certain death awaits it with nasty, big, pointy teeth. =P Dom (talk) - Per Stumpers. BTW, I'd ROFL if anyone didn't know Mr L was Luigi. Mr. Br Mario (talk) - Per Stumpers. I think the Mr. L and Luigi pages are completely well as separated pages. Comments The ironic thing is, after a little while the Mr. L page was deleted(due to a sysop's decision), I brought it back, and now there's more talk about it being merged/deleted. Kinda funny, lol. I'm not going to vote, just because I know who's gonna win, but Per Stumpers. Garlic Man (talk) Not so much funny, as it is interesting to see how different people handle Mr. L (like all the nutters who try to insist they're different people, and all that fanon jazz). - Walkazo (talk) Sorry about the hate thing I just a little shook up from a similar proposal on wikipedia were at least 25 users upossed and called me s**tfacetanokkitails Also I'd like to note that In the first sentence It says he's luigi so since this proposal won't pass we should probably change that.tanokkitails Yeah, well Wikipedia sucks. Anyway, just because we're not merging the articles doesn't change the fact that Mr. L and Luigi are the same person: nothing in the article needs to be changed. - Walkazo (talk) Stumpers: Just like to point out, just because we merge one set of characters doesn't mean we automatically need to merge a different set. There is such a thing as 'circumstance'. -- Ghost Jam (talk) I'm aware of this "circumstance" of which you speak - I'm more thinking about the "domino effect" which often occurs in the name of "consistency." But you are right - provided people don't propose on five different merges at once, we'd be fine. Stumpers (talk) 13:59, 3 September 2008 (EDT) Just like to say that the first sentence of his article says he's luigi,so I should probably change that tanokkitails (talk) I just want to say that I believe that the Dry Bowser article has information that is not in the Bowser article. The Shadow Mario artilce has information that is not in the Bowser Jr. article. The Mr. L article has no information that isn't in the Luigi article. White Knight (talk) Pokemon After a previous proposal of mine that was proposed to create the Raikou and Suicune article, I had taken a look at one of the user's votes and it said that they should be merged. Afterwards, I looked at Pokemon articles, and the ones I found where Palkia, Dialga, Cresselia, and Entei (I am not sure if there is any left). While making a bigger appearance than a Pokemon in a Poke Ball, it's quite best to have those four articles merged with the Pokemon article. As from what I'm seeing, Entei should stay, though, as he can be played on as a stage. So, shall we merge all four articles, merge Palkia, Dialga, and Cresselia, or don't merge at all? Proposer: Palkia47 (talk) Deadline: September 10, 2008, 17:00 Merge All in Pokemon Article Shrikeswind (talk) - In all honesty, I don't like the idea of Pokemon taking up a butt-load of space on a wiki dedicated to the Super Mario franchise. In the cases of Ivysaur, Charizard, Squirtle, Pikachu, Jigglypuff, Mewtwo, Pichu, Lucario, and Pokemon Trainer, I say they should be split off due to their playability, but all other Pokemon just don't deserve a seperate page because they aren't all playable in a game alongside the Mario characters. Even playing ON Entei isn't worth a page dedicated to him. You might as well mention his stage on the Pokemon page, because it's such a miniscule amount of information to say "He appears as a stage in Super Smash Bros. Melee." The Dark Doggy 2 (talk) - Per Shrikeswind, this is Mario Wiki not Nintendo Wiki. Merge Palkia, Dialga, and Cresselia Palkia47 (talk) - Personally, this is what I see is best. My proposal, so per me. Pikax (talk) - Palkia, Dialga and Cresselia are all pokemon that make appearances on the Spear Pillar stage in SSBB. This sets them apart from all the other pokemon but not from each other, so this is the best option. Keep Split Comments Once again, may somebody add the deadline for me? I'm not well with it. Palkia47 (talk) Thanks, Time Q. Palkia47 (talk) Changes Release date formatting After a discussion on the Main page talk lead to no decision, I thought I'd make a proposal about it. There are two ways of formatting for the release dates in games infoboxes I have in mind: (JP) November 21, 1990 (US) August 13, 1991 (EU) April 11, 1992 or November 21, 1990 August 13, 1991 April 11, 1992 Though the text form is currently in use, I'd like to change existing "USA" to "US" and "AU" and "AUS" to "Aus" there. Or use the flag system. Because this is mainly a graphical problem, I think we can bend the proposal rules here and don't require a reason for voting. Proposer: Cobold (talk) Deadline: September 6, 20:00 Use text form   Use country flags Cobold (talk) Looks nicer. Stumpers (talk) No worries about consistency, since images can be updated like a template and the whole Wiki would be affected. (USA Flag can apply to NA b/c there is no North American flag and Nintendo of America is based out of Washington, USA) Dom (talk) It looks more proffesional, and it helps people who are too dumb to know which country the 2 letters stand for. AS LONG AS YOU INCLUDE AUSTRALIA! Stooben Rooben (talk) - There's no worries of "which abbreviation is better". The flags say it all. Ghost Jam (talk) - At one point, way back when the wiki was new, we were intending to do this away. Luigi001 (talk) Per all. It looks much better than abbreviations. Tucayo (talk) per all, though we should include latin america, bacause the release date often differs from the one of the us Shrikeswind (talk) Per all. Tucayo raises a good point, as well. I'd say the US flag (per Stumpers), Brazilian flag (per population), European flag, Japanese flag, and Australian flag are good for starters, and we can work out the details at a later point. Coincollector (talk) Per all, a pic tells more than 1000 words... Keep as is Comments Hmm, I don't know which would be better. Either seems just as useful as the other. (BTW, I did add a Keep as Is section, just in case)Garlic Man (talk) Isn't the text form already what we have currently? - Cobold (talk) 15:34, 30 August 2008 (EDT) I am extremly insulted that you did not include Australia in the list. Whether there are flags or not, my country must be included. Dom (talk) I took Super Mario World as an example, which doesn't have an AU release date listed and I excluded it because there wasn't an Australian flag on the example page on Wikipedia I used to copy from. Of course we're going to have one if we go for the flags, and we might even get one for Korea and China as well. - Cobold (talk) 16:59, 30 August 2008 (EDT) Hey, Dom: No one's going to forget Australia of all countries. And of all users, Cobold isn't going to be US-centric. Stumpers (talk) We can sort out which countries to include for release information as articles are worked on. For the most part, I get my release information from a combination of GameFAQs and MobyGames. -- Ghost Jam (talk) 21:47, 30 August 2008 (EDT) OK, you got away with it this time. It's good to know that you will include my country. Australia is more important than, say... Uzbekistan. Do they even get video-games? BTW, do I have to do this diagonally moving across thing? Dom (talk) Tucayo, what flag should we use for Latin America? - Cobold (talk) 17:58, 1 September 2008 (EDT) Maybe Mexico's? -- 18:23, 1 September 2008 (EDT) Mexico is sometimes considered North America. And why isn't canadian flag used in North America release date? It could imply that we are racist towards Canada, and we don't want that.Clay Mario (talk) R, wha, Racist towards canada?? Dude, Americans and Canadians are the same race, geez... Garlic Man (talk) Yeah, "racist" isn't the right word for it. Fortunately we're used to being shafted, so don't worry about it. - Walkazo (talk) I thought we were doing it b/c NoA was situated in the USA, but I could easily make a combination Canada/USA flag (with a diagonal from two corners to separate). Of course, question is, how could I get around the fact that both the blue stars and the top of the leaf should be in there... Stumpers (talk) Could try the NAFTA flag. It's kinda stupid looking if you ask me, but the NAFTA flag is basically the US stars on the left, the Canadian leaf on the right, and the Mexican eagle in the center. It makes for a useful choice in spite of the stupidity of the image (opinion) and the lack of NAFTA love because it features all three of the flags. You can see it on NAFTA's Wikipedia page. Shrikeswind (talk) I'm not 100% sure this is correct, and I don't necessarily agree with it regardless, but I think the idea is based on the size of the country population-wise when it comes to regional flagging, for example, because the USA has more people in it than Canada, the States flag is picked over the Canadian flag. I call for this solely on the fact that it's the only one available at this point. In that case, the Latin American flag would be best chosen as the Brazilian flag. The European flag would be choice for Europe. That's my take on it, population until an alternate availability arises. Shrikeswind (talk) Regardless of the reasons, most sites indicate North America with US flag. I say we just go with that. Let's not turn this into the Great MarioWiki Mediation War of the Northern Americas. -- Ghost Jam (talk) Hey guys, what about having both flags? Undecember 33, 3009. Would work, as it are only two flags. Cobold (talk) A thought occurs. Maybe if we make animations for the flags. We'd be able to keep Canada out of the shaft, and we'd have a viable option for Latin America. - Shrikeswind (talk) I think that would be quite a lot Latin American flags. Animations are too distracting in my opinion. - Cobold (talk) 14:23, 3 September 2008 (EDT)~ Good points. Still, the idea solves problem spots like Latin America due to the fact that we wouldn't have a zillion flags taking up space. - Shrikeswind (talk) It seems like too much hastle. Pretty much everyone accepts the US as the "poster boy" for North America, and NoA being situated in the U.S. makes it even more reasonable (i.e. no one can complain it's just because the US is bigger and creates biases, etc.). - Walkazo (talk) Well, you're the defender of Canada right now, so as long as you're okay with us USAians doing this, ok. This is good: you and Cobold are also thinking the USA flag so I don't have to feel biased. :3 Stumpers (talk) Miscellaneous None at the moment.