Talk:Lantern

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I think at least some things from candle should be moved here, like the Underwhere object in Super Paper Mario. If not a whole page merge. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 13:18, October 27, 2024 (EDT)

This is not conventional to how we have traditionally been covering objects and items in the Super Mario franchise, but I am of the view we have been lumping them in ways we do not for characters, species, and enemies, and I do not always think this is an accurate presentation of the game's contents. I think my personal preference for this article is that it should remain focused on the torches from the 3D mainline platformers, that can be lit and are involved with puzzles, etc.

This is tangential, but in my line of work, there is a concept in taxonomy called a wastebasket taxon, where unrelated species are assumed related to another for superficial reasons when they are not, or are grouped together for arbitrary reasons. I think some of our articles have comparable issues, especially when they share the name with a real-world subject. I don't think a subject having a generic name necessarily means it is generic, if that makes sense. Some subjects with discrete, recurring, or radically different designs/mechanics share an article when they probably shouldn't (imo) because they share the same English name and origin with a real-world subject, and I don't think it's very accurate to these games and dilutes the article's focus a bit. There is a valid argument to be made that searching up the name for a subject should produce an article for all subjects that go by that name, regardless of how different they are from each other. But personally, I think it would be more accurate to have more articles like penguin, and less like frog or vine. - Nintendo101 (talk) 13:32, October 27, 2024 (EDT)

For a little context, this specific object is only called a "candlestick" in the Snow Kingdom, likely because the kingdom at large alludes to cakes. It is not like it truly is a candle in a conventional sense. It is typically made of stone in the other kingdoms. - Nintendo101 (talk) 13:34, October 27, 2024 (EDT)

On that note, torches appear as candles (called as such) in SMG's "Bouncing Down Cake Lane." Thoughts on that? Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 13:46, October 27, 2024 (EDT)

Oh! I would put that in this article. 100%.

Are any of the candles in the other article mechanically comparable? - Nintendo101 (talk) 13:58, October 27, 2024 (EDT)

The contents of the candle article are all over the place, to be honest. The ones in Super Paper Mario definitely feel more accurate to put here in my opinion, though, since they are a thing that gets lit with fire abilities and generally looks more like a torch than a standard candle. And the ones in that game that look like "candles" (actually more like glass lanterns) act like the enemy torches from the Zelda games. The MLSS object is also lit with fire abilities to solve puzzles, but it sometimes takes the appearance of candles in Joke's End (otherwise, it's an inset wall torch). Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 15:48, October 27, 2024 (EDT)

OK, the "inset wall torches" are actually on a different page to themselves for some reason. I see no reason for them to continue to be such. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 20:26, November 16, 2024 (EST)