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So English Mario Portal refers to these as Big Boos in spite of having a different Japanese name (Debu Teresa, ie "Fat Boo" in this case). While it could just be seen as an alternate name, it bears mentioning that Big Boos have had [[Big Boo#Names in other languages|quite the extensive]] history of name-changes in Japanese. (I'm also curious if the "Debu Teresa" appeared on the ''Toadstool Tour'' scoreboard, and if so if it was listed as "Big Boo" there too). A decision needs made as to whether this should be considered the same as the Big Boo species, and whether the current name should have priority. On that note, there's still the issue of the ''Sunshine'' King Boo sharing a name with the ''Super Mario 64'' boss Big Boo (along with other games released shortly afterwards, like I'm pretty sure the early ''Mario Party'' games and ''Mario Pinball Land'') and the ''Super Mario Pia'' guidebook treating them as interchangeable. Since obviously these couldn't both be merged, this could easily mean that the SM64/MPtrilogy/Sunshine/MPL "Master/Boss" Teresa is a singular member of the recurring "Big Boo" species - namely, as a prototype King Boo that stuck around for a little while before being abandoned, similar to Koopa Kid's role of an abandoned Bowser Jr. prototype. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 00:36, December 31, 2023 (EST)
So English Mario Portal refers to these as Big Boos in spite of having a different Japanese name (Debu Teresa, ie "Fat Boo" in this case). While it could just be seen as an alternate name, it bears mentioning that Big Boos have had [[Big Boo#Names in other languages|quite the extensive]] history of name-changes in Japanese. (I'm also curious if the "Debu Teresa" appeared on the ''Toadstool Tour'' scoreboard, and if so if it was listed as "Big Boo" there too). A decision needs made as to whether this should be considered the same as the Big Boo species, and whether the current name should have priority. On that note, there's still the issue of the ''Sunshine'' King Boo sharing a name with the ''Super Mario 64'' boss Big Boo (along with other games released shortly afterwards, like I'm pretty sure the early ''Mario Party'' games and ''Mario Pinball Land'') and the ''Super Mario Pia'' guidebook treating them as interchangeable. Since obviously these couldn't both be merged, this could easily mean that the SM64/MPtrilogy/Sunshine/MPL "Master/Boss" Teresa is a singular member of the recurring "Big Boo" species - namely, as a prototype King Boo that stuck around for a little while before being abandoned, similar to Koopa Kid's role of an abandoned Bowser Jr. prototype. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 00:36, December 31, 2023 (EST)
:On the note of the King Boos, though, [[tcrf:Mario Kart: Double Dash!!/July 5th, 2004 Debug Build#Player Select(kari)|this]] could be a potential missing link. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 16:04, December 31, 2023 (EST)
:On the note of the King Boos, though, [[tcrf:Mario Kart: Double Dash!!/July 5th, 2004 Debug Build#Player Select(kari)|this]] could be a potential missing link. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 16:04, December 31, 2023 (EST)
::I did notice that. To me, that seems like how they replaced DK Jr with Diddy for recognizability, albeit earlier on. The fact that "Boss Boo" and "King Boo" coexist while sharing a model in ''64 DS'' (much to the localizers' confusion) only adds to the snarl here - it would not surprise me at all if LM's "King Boo" were intended as an evolution of the "Boss Boo" owner of Big Boo's Haunt (also explaining the Sunshine and Pinball deals), but having them together like that muddies the issue. Note also, that in ''[[Mario Party Superstars]]'', King Boo takes the "Boss Boo"'s role in [[Horror Land]]. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 16:16, December 31, 2023 (EST)
::I did notice that. To me, that seems like how they replaced DK Jr with Diddy for recognizability, albeit earlier on. The fact that "Boss Boo" and "King Boo" coexist while sharing a model in ''64 DS'' (much to the localizers' confusion) only adds to the snarl here - it would not surprise me at all if LM's "King Boo" were intended as an evolution of the "Boss Boo" owner of Big Boo's Haunt (also explaining the Sunshine and Pinball deals), but having them together like that muddies the issue. Note also, that in ''[[Mario Party Superstars]]'', King Boo takes the "Boss Boo"'s role in [[Horror Land]], which the "Boss" Boo previously kept for MP4. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 16:16, December 31, 2023 (EST)

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If anything, we move the page with the function that is designed for that use. This way, we don't destroy the page's history. But I don't think a move is needed in this case, both names are conjectural. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 10:58, 27 January 2008 (EST)

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So English Mario Portal refers to these as Big Boos in spite of having a different Japanese name (Debu Teresa, ie "Fat Boo" in this case). While it could just be seen as an alternate name, it bears mentioning that Big Boos have had quite the extensive history of name-changes in Japanese. (I'm also curious if the "Debu Teresa" appeared on the Toadstool Tour scoreboard, and if so if it was listed as "Big Boo" there too). A decision needs made as to whether this should be considered the same as the Big Boo species, and whether the current name should have priority. On that note, there's still the issue of the Sunshine King Boo sharing a name with the Super Mario 64 boss Big Boo (along with other games released shortly afterwards, like I'm pretty sure the early Mario Party games and Mario Pinball Land) and the Super Mario Pia guidebook treating them as interchangeable. Since obviously these couldn't both be merged, this could easily mean that the SM64/MPtrilogy/Sunshine/MPL "Master/Boss" Teresa is a singular member of the recurring "Big Boo" species - namely, as a prototype King Boo that stuck around for a little while before being abandoned, similar to Koopa Kid's role of an abandoned Bowser Jr. prototype. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 00:36, December 31, 2023 (EST)

On the note of the King Boos, though, this could be a potential missing link. LinkTheLefty (talk) 16:04, December 31, 2023 (EST)
I did notice that. To me, that seems like how they replaced DK Jr with Diddy for recognizability, albeit earlier on. The fact that "Boss Boo" and "King Boo" coexist while sharing a model in 64 DS (much to the localizers' confusion) only adds to the snarl here - it would not surprise me at all if LM's "King Boo" were intended as an evolution of the "Boss Boo" owner of Big Boo's Haunt (also explaining the Sunshine and Pinball deals), but having them together like that muddies the issue. Note also, that in Mario Party Superstars, King Boo takes the "Boss Boo"'s role in Horror Land, which the "Boss" Boo previously kept for MP4. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 16:16, December 31, 2023 (EST)