MarioWiki:Proposals

Current time: Wednesday, December 11th, 07:30 GMT

Proposals can be new features, the removal of previously-added features that have tired out, or new policies that must be approved via consensus before any action is taken. Voting periods last for two weeks, but can close early or be extended (see below). Any autoconfirmed user can support or oppose, but must have a strong reason for doing so. All proposals must be approved by a majority of voters, including proposals with more than two options. For past proposals, see the proposal archive and the talk page proposal archive.

If you would like to get feedback on an idea before formally proposing it here, you may do so on the proposals talk. For talk page proposals, you can discuss the changes on the talk page itself before creating the TPP there.

How to

If someone has an idea about improving the wiki or managing its community, but feel that they need community approval before acting upon that idea, they may make a proposal about it. They must have a strong argument supporting their idea and be willing to discuss it in detail with other users, who will then vote on whether or not they think the idea should be implemented. Proposals should include links to all relevant pages and writing guidelines. Proposals must include a link to the draft page. Any pages that would be largely affected by the proposal should be marked with {{proposal notice}}.

Rules

1. Only autoconfirmed users may create or vote on proposals. Anyone is free to comment on proposals (provided that the page's protection level allows them to edit).
2. Proposals conclude at the end of the day (23:59) two weeks after voting starts (all times GMT).
   • For example, if a proposal is added at any time on Monday, August 1, 2011, the voting starts immediately and the deadline is two weeks later on Monday, August 15, at 23:59 GMT.
3. Users may vote for more than one option, but they may not vote for every option available.
4. Every vote should have a strong, sensible reason accompanying it. Agreeing with a previously mentioned reason given by another user is accepted (including "per" votes), but tangential comments, heavy sarcasm, and other misleading or irrelevant quips are just as invalid as providing no reason at all.
5. Users who feel that certain votes were cast in bad faith or which truly have no merit can address the votes in the comments section. Users can ask a voter to clarify their position, point out mistakes or flaws in their arguments, or call for the outright removal of the vote if it lacks sufficient reasoning. Users may not remove or alter the content of anyone else's votes. Voters can remove or rewrite their own vote(s) at any time, but the final decision to remove another user's vote lies solely with the wiki staff.
   • Users can also use the comments section to bring up any concerns or mistakes in regards to the proposal itself. In such cases, it's important the proposer addresses any concerns raised as soon as possible. Even if the supporting side might be winning by a wide margin, that should be no reason for such questions to be left unanswered. They may point out any missing details that might have been overlooked by the proposer, so it's a good idea as the proposer to check them frequently to achieve the most accurate outcome possible.
6. If a user makes a vote and is subsequently blocked for any amount of time, their vote is removed. However, if the block ends before the proposal ends, then the user in question holds the right to re-cast their vote. If a proposer is blocked, their vote is removed and "(blocked)" is added next to their name in the "Proposer:" line of the proposal, which runs until its deadline as normal. If the proposal passes, it falls to the supporters of the idea to enact any changes in a timely manner.
7. Proposals cannot contradict an already ongoing proposal or overturn the decision of a previous proposal that concluded less than four weeks (28 days) ago.
8. If one week before a proposal's initial deadline, the first place option is ahead of the second place option by eight or more votes and the first place option has at least 80% approval, then the proposal concludes early. Wiki staff may tag a proposal with "Do not close early" at any time to prevent an early close, if needed.
   • Tag the proposal with {{early notice}} if it is on track for an early close. Use {{proposal check|early=yes}} to perform the check.
9. Any proposal where none of the options have at least four votes will be extended for another week. If after three extensions, no options have at least four votes, the proposal will be listed as "NO QUORUM." The original proposer then has the option to relist said proposal to generate more discussion.
10. If a proposal reaches its deadline and there is a tie for first place, then the proposal is extended for another week.
11. If a proposal reaches its deadline and the first place option is ahead of the second place option by three or more votes, then the first place option must have over 50% approval to win. If the margin is only one or two votes, then the first place option must have at least 60% approval to win. If the required approval threshold is not met, then the proposal is extended for another week.
    • Use {{proposal check}} to automate this calculation; see the template page for usage instructions and examples.
12. Proposals can be extended a maximum of three times. If a consensus has not been reached by the fourth deadline, then the proposal fails and cannot be re-proposed until at least four weeks after the last deadline.
13. All proposals are archived. The original proposer must take action accordingly if the outcome of the proposal dictates it. If it requires the help of an administrator, the proposer can ask for that help.
14. After a proposal passes, it is added to the appropriate list of "unimplemented proposals" below and is removed once it has been sufficiently implemented.
15. If the wiki staff deem a proposal unnecessary or potentially detrimental to the upkeep of the Super Mario Wiki, they have the right to cancel it at any time.
16. Proposals can only be rewritten or canceled by their proposer within the first four days of their creation. However, proposers can request that their proposal be canceled by a staff member at any time, provided they have a valid reason for it. Please note that canceled proposals must also be archived.
17. Unless there is major disagreement about whether certain content should be included, there should not be proposals about creating, expanding, rewriting, or otherwise fixing up pages. To organize efforts about improving articles on neglected or completely missing subjects, try setting up a collaboration thread on the forums.
18. Proposals cannot be made about promotions and demotions. Staff changes are discussed internally and handled by the bureaucrats.
19. No joke proposals. Proposals are serious wiki matters and should be handled professionally. Joke proposals will be deleted on sight.
20. Proposals must have a status quo option (e.g. Oppose, Do nothing) unless the status quo itself violates policy.

Basic proposal and support/oppose format

Below is an example of what your proposal must look like. If you are unsure how to set up this format, simply copy the following and paste it into the fitting section. When updating the bracketed variables with actual information, be sure to replace the whole variable including the squared brackets, so "[insert info here]" becomes "This is the inserted information" and not "[This is the inserted information]". Proposals presenting multiple alternative courses of action can have more than two voting options, but the objective(s) of each voting option must be clearly defined. Such options should also be kept to a minimum, and if something comes up in the comments, the proposal can be amended as necessary.

===[insert a title for your proposal here]===
[describe what issue this proposal is about and what changes you think should be made to improve how the wiki handles that issue]

'''Proposer''': {{User|[enter your username here]}}<br>
'''Deadline''': [insert a deadline here, 14 days after the proposal was created, at 23:59 GMT, in the format: "August 8, 2011, 23:59 GMT"]

====Support====
#{{User|[enter your username here]}} [make a statement indicating that you support your proposal]

====Oppose====

====Comments====

Autoconfirmed users will now be able to vote on your proposal. Remember that you can vote on your own proposal just like the others.

To vote for an option, just insert #{{User|[add your username here]}} at the bottom of the section of your choice. Just don't forget to add a valid reason for your vote behind that tag if you are voting on another user's proposal. If you are voting on your own proposal, you can simply say "Per proposal".

Talk page proposals

Proposals concerning a single page or a limited group of pages are held on the most relevant talk page regarding the matter. All of the above proposal rules also apply to talk page proposals. Place {{TPP}} under the section's header, and once the proposal is over, replace the template with {{settled TPP}}. Proposals dealing with a large amount of splits, merges, or deletions across the wiki should still be held on this page.

All active talk page proposals must be listed below in chronological order (new proposals go at the bottom) using {{TPP discuss}}. Include a brief description of the proposal while also mentioning any pages affected by it, a link to the talk page housing the discussion, and the deadline. If the proposal involves a page that is not yet made, use {{fake link}} to communicate its title in the description. Linking to pages not directly involved in the talk page proposal is not recommended, as it clutters the list with unnecessary links.

List of ongoing talk page proposals

• Split and trim the Vine article (discuss) Deadline: December 14, 2024, 23:59 GMT
• Split the Yoshi's Island teeter-totter from Seesaw (discuss) Deadline: December 16, 2024, 23:59 GMT
• Move Kolorado's father to Richard or Korvallis (discuss) Deadline: December 17, 2024, 23:59 GMT
• Move Shadow (character) to Shadow (Sonic the Hedgehog) (discuss) Deadline: December 23, 2024, 23:59 GMT

Unimplemented proposals

Proposals

Break alphabetical order in enemy lists to list enemy variants below their base form, EvieMaybe (ended May 21, 2024)

Standardize sectioning for Super Mario series game articles, Nintendo101 (ended July 3, 2024)

^ NOTE: Not yet integrated for the Super Mario Maker titles, Super Mario Run, and Super Mario Bros. Wonder.

Create new sections for gallery pages to cover "unused/pre-release/prototype/etc." graphics separate from the ones that appear in the finalized games, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 2, 2024)

Add film and television ratings to Template:Ratings, TheUndescribableGhost (ended October 1, 2024)

Use the classic and classic-link templates when discussing classic courses in Mario Kart Tour, YoYo (ended October 2, 2024)

Split articles for the alternate-named reskins from All Night Nippon: Super Mario Bros., Doc von Schmeltwick (ended October 3, 2024)

Clarify coverage of the Super Smash Bros. series, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended October 17, 2024)

Remove all subpage and redirect links from all navigational templates, JanMisali (ended October 31, 2024)

Prioritize MESEN/NEStopia palette for NES sprites and screenshots, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended November 3, 2024)

Stop considering reused voice clips as references (usually), Waluigi Time (ended November 8, 2024)

Allow English names from closed captions, Koopa con Carne (ended November 12, 2024)

^ NOTE: A number of names coming from closed captions are listed here.

Split off the Mario Kart Tour template(s), MightyMario (ended November 24, 2024)

Talk page proposals

Split all the clothing, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 12, 2021)

Split machine parts, Robo-Rabbit, and flag from Super Duel Mode, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 30, 2022)

Make bestiary list pages for the Minion Quest and Bowser Jr.'s Journey modes, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended January 11, 2024)

Allow separate articles for Diddy Kong Pilot (2003)'s subjects, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended August 3, 2024)

Split Banana Peel from Banana, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 18, 2024)

Create articles for specified special buildings in Super Mario Run, Salmancer (ended November 15, 2024)

Expand and rename List of characters by game to List of characters by first appearance, Hewer (ended November 20, 2024)

Determine how to handle the Tattle Log images from Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door (Nintendo Switch), Technetium (ended November 30, 2024)

Merge False Character and Fighting Polygon/Wireframe/Alloy/Mii Teams into List of Super Smash Bros. series bosses, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended December 2, 2024)

List of Talk Page Proposals

• Merge King Boo (Super Mario Sunshine) with King Boo. (Discuss) Deadline: July 2, 2014, 23:59 GMT.
• Split Template:Fakelink from Paragoomba. (Discuss) Deadline: July 4, 2014, 23:59 GMT
• Split Template:Fakelink and Template:Fakelink from Koopa Kid. (Discuss) Deadline: July 9, 2014, 23:59 GMT
• Merge Gold Mario (character) to Gold Mario (form) (Discuss) Deadline: July 9, 2014, 23:59 GMT
• Merge Kat and Ana's Swords with Kat and Ana (Discuss) Deadline: July 10, 2014, 23:59 GMT

Writing Guidelines

Change quotes on more popular pages

Several popular pages, such as Reggie Fils-Aime and Bob Hoskins have quotes including swear words. Technically, swearing is allowed on this wiki with moderation. However, these pages are extremely popular and with a large amount of younger viewers and users it is inappropriate to have such language on such important pages (perhaps not Bob, but definitely Reggie). The guidelines state:

"While most of the Mario series is light and innocent, articles occasionally discuss content that some users find disagreeable, such as transgenderism, homosexuality, religion and the use of profanity in quotes. Under no circumstances will users be allowed to remove or otherwise suppress material of this nature: the Super Mario Wiki is an encyclopedia and will not censor its information. In most cases, there have already been repeated attempts to remove the content, and reopening these debates is frowned upon as being futile, disruptive and even offensive. If you can't handle certain subject matter being professionally addressed on the wiki, that's your problem, not ours."

And this is the only defense in not changing the quotes. A majority of this rule is completely fair. If there is at any point a section in the article that requires discussing transgenderism, homosexuality, religion, etc. (i.e. Birdo and Vivian, or information on an voice actor/staff member who is openly homosexual or Christian, etc.) it is completely fine to include this. It is an important part of being an encyclopedia to include these things. However, unless we're listing every single thing Reggie or Bob have ever said, there is absolutely no reason to place quotes of them swearing on a website designed for kids (admit it, it is). When there are quotes that match up with the person just as well (which have been proposed for both Reggie and Bob), there is absolutely no reason to not use these more appropriate quotes rather than an inappropriate quote containing things which younger children who play Mario should not be reading.

Now, I'm not saying that censorship is the way to go. Replacing swear words with random symbols is completely unprofessional. Using a different quote that does not require censorship is not. Especially if there's really no difference.

I'm also fine with not banning swear words in quotes. For certain pages this may be for the best. However, this rule states that changing the quote is not allowed. This is ridiculous. As I have said multiple times before, if there is a more appropriate quote that describes the person just as well, not being allowed to change it is ridiculous.

IF YOU DID NOT TAKE THE TIME TO READ ALL OF THIS, DO NOT VOTE. I spent a lot of time writing out all of the reasons that this rule should be changed or modified, and if I lose because everyone just assumes it's a stupid attempt to replace a well-known rule without reading my reasoning... that's just not fair.

Proposer: Peanutjon (talk)
Deadline: July 13th, 2014 11:59 GMT

Remove the rule on changing quotes

1. Peanutjon (talk) Per proposal.

Leave the rule as it is

1. Marshal Dan Troop (talk) I oppose this proposal because I feel that both quotes represent the people in this article very well. For starters with the bob hoskins quote his quote represents his view of the movie and how he felt the movie was and if you can find a better quote to represent his feelings on the movie i'd like to hear it. With Reggie while i'll admit i'm not particularly familiar with him the quote on the article seems to represent the image he tries to portray fairly well and I see no reason to change it because someone might get offended.
2. Xzelion (talk) – Per my reasons below.
3. Koopakoolklub (talk) I did read everything you wrote, but I can't agree with you because I believe info shouldn't be changed because a few may be offended by it. Per All.
4. Ghost Jam (talk) I got to the words "including swear words" and stopped reading. Get it in to your heads people, we are an encyclopedia, we do no censor. Per all.

Comments

@Marshal While I respect your opinion, I'm not proposing specifically in the case of Reggie and Bob. This proposal is for the rule in general and, in my opinion, your vote is based off of one scenario when there are several that could be affected by this change. Reggie and Bob were the examples used because they are the ones who have been questioned. Peanutjon (talk) 23:34, 29 June 2014 (EDT)

I don't particularly understand what you are proposing because the rule that you mentioned isn't supposed to be a rigorous rule that says that any quote that contains anything offensive has to be used. Instead it's supposed to mean that if it's the best quote we will use it even if it could be offensive. Marshal Dan Troop (talk)

Here's my opinion: If there is a better quote that more accurately describes the person/article/situation, then I'm all for a change, however I don't want to see a quote changed in the name of censorship, while I don't believe Reggie's quote is that bad, Hoskins has stirred the pot for years. I don't really believe the "oh think of the kids" is a strong argument, I mean if you spend time on Xbox Live or Playstation all you'll hear is bratty little kids swearing at you and talking about stuff that shouldn't be said about your mom. I however disagree with your assumption that this Wiki is for little kids, do we get little kids? Sure. Is Mario's target demographic children? Probably. Do I edit this Wiki in the name of little kids around the world? No, and I doubt a majority of the Wiki does either.

As far as the quotes on the said pages and how thy relate to the people in question, I believe Reggie's quote shows his confidence and bravado, looking at the other quotes on his page, nothing really captures his personality like that does. Hoskins, however shows his frustration and regret during film production, which is alright with me. I also don't believe the rule strictly forbids anyone removing the quote in favor of a better one, as took place on this proposal, none of the other quotes stacked up for captured his frustrations as well. This however has to go through a talk page proposal because of the "controversy" it causes. If you have a better quote for both pages, I'm all ears, but I believe changing them in the name of censorship is lame. However, as I believe both quotes are good, they may/should end up finding their way into a sub-header of quotes. (Under no circumstances will users be allowed to remove or otherwise suppress material of this nature) "otherwise" implying the removal was done in the name of suppressing material. We are a wiki who's sole purpose is and should be information, as with Birdo/Vivian, we won't compromise information or article integrity in the name of censorship or not hurting anyone's feelings, the same attitude should be applied here. Xzelion (talk)

New features

Create Easter Egg Pages

We have glitch and beta element pages, not to mention the Easter Egg page, so I suggest we make pages like "Super Mario 3D Land/Easter Eggs". This would include the UFO, the weird alien at the end of that one ghost house, and any other easter eggs ingame.

Thoughts?

Proposer: Peanutjon (talk)
Deadline: July 5, 2014, 23:59 GMT

Support

1. Peanutjon (talk) Per proposal.

Oppose

1. Tsunami (talk) No, the easter egg page should be in the rispective articles.
2. Walkazo (talk) - Per Ghost Jam and Mario in the comments: subpages are unnecessary, just focus on fixing up Easter egg and maybe adding sections in applicable game pages.
3. Vommack (talk) There just aren't enough easter eggs in any given game to split off their own page. They're just fine being incorporated into the article.
4. Stonehill (talk) Per Vommack.
5. Koopakoolklub (talk) Per Vommack.
6. driftmaster130 (talk) Per Vommack and Walkazo.

Comments

Are there enough Easter Egg in each game to merit it's own articles? Xzelion (talk)

I don't think there should be it is own article on Easter Eggs. It should be within it is appropriate article. Mario^-HOHO! (Talk / Stalk) 02:41, 28 June 2014 (EDT)

I'd be much more in favor of either expanding Easter Egg to include everything we have documentation of or working Easter egg sections into relevant articles. -- Chris 02:53, 28 June 2014 (EDT)

To be honest, I think that this would easily go into the Glitches section, but the idea of "Easter Eggs" is so vague, it would be better not to include them at all. - 03:17, 28 June 2014 (EDT)

Easter Egg's article formatting is terrible, though, so it probably needs some overhauling. Mario^-HOHO! (Talk / Stalk) 03:25, 28 June 2014 (EDT)

I mean an Eater Egg is such abroad subject, such as a minor glitch, background image or course development. It isn't really worth bothering to make or include. Like the Book that appears in Sunshine would likely fall into an Easter Egg section, but it's in the glitches. Other things, such 3D World's Zelda based stage, is easily mentioned in the article or trivia. I would rather get rid of it altogether and find a better place for the info. - 03:30, 28 June 2014 (EDT)

Okay, I see that no one wants a new page. But notice that there are no sections for this either? Easter eggs aren't given enough attention. Peanutjon (talk) 22:44, 29 June 2014 (EDT)

Removals

None at the moment.

Changes

Improving Mario Party boards articles

I was looking on DK's Jungle Board from Mario Party and I find that the article isn't completely right. There are some improvements that can be made not only in this article, but in every article.

• A map and a space counter would be useful to let the reader know all the infos on the board. By doing so, the reader can know the difficulty of the course in games that are not Mario Party. And having a map would be useful in boards where there isn't an image (like Eternal Star).
• Adding headers for results screen and events would be useful. Writing everything in a single paragraph don't help the reader to read. So the opinion is making a level 2 header for the plot before and after playing, another level 2 headers for the event that are splitted in level 3 headers (something like this is in DK's Jungle Ruins from Mario Party 9).

(Please don't write your name in "Oppose" if you're wrong with an idea; instead, if you can't tollerate the articles with one of my ideas, write it in the comments! Thanks for reading and understanding!)

Proposer: Tsunami (talk)
Deadline: July 5, 2014, 23:59 GMT

Support

1. Tsunami (talk) It's my proposal.
2. Koopakoolklub (talk) This is a good idea, because more useful info will be added to these articles.
3. Stonehill (talk) As long as the info is relevant with the boards, I'm fine with that.

Comments

This doesn't need a proposal at all. If the information is official and it will help organize things better, go for it! The list of orbs/items/spaces and boards weren't the result of a proposal, it was the result of ways to organize the article better and a general improvement Ray Trace^(T|C) 15:50, 28 June 2014 (EDT)

Although if you're going to make a major revamp on a lot of pages, I'd suggest making an example on a sandbox page and running it past a few users for their opinions.--Vommack (talk) 15:55, 28 June 2014 (EDT)

I did similar things when I was new(er). Like making a proposal about making a tennis court template. You don't actually need this proposal, I mean look at what happened to Toad Highlands thanks to me and Icemario (talk). It's become the set standard to making or improving golf course articles. Therefore you may do a similar thing here. I'd be willing to help. - 17:10, 28 June 2014 (EDT)

Here you go! For both samples go here: User:Tsunami/Sandbox TSUNAMI

I don't know about you, but I think the extensively detailed spaces are kinda ugly, they could fit into a nicely organized table. There are so many sections with very small amount of information. I guess it would be better if the whole events section was merged with the starting paragraph. Here is a link of how the article would look like as in your sandbox.--

06:33, 29 June 2014 (EDT)

After looking better, you're right... Maybe the spaces can go on the main page or in the Space page. The main reason I propose this was the events that need expansion (the Coin Stone thing isn't in the article). But I think that the Jungle Adventure page is disorganized... Another way is making the "Layout" section, with a general description, then the subsection "Events"... but "Plot" I think that would remain (and I was thinking about merging quotes with it). TSUNAMI

Too many headers: better to merge the Ending with Plot and get rid of the subheaders for the events, and as mentioned earlier, the space counter could be a small table in the the Layout section. A few other things also need fixing up with that draft. I made my own revision to the sandbox to show my ideas of how it could be done (minus the chart). - Walkazo (talk)

Moving DIY quotes to top page

I think that the description quotes from the minigames shall be on the top of the page (since there are 90 pages to modify it's better to ask).

Proposer: Tsunami (talk)
Deadline: July 5, 2014, 23:59 GMT

Support

1. Tsunami (talk) Per proposal.
2. Koopakoolklub (talk) I think it looks better than having the description all by itself in a section with just one old sentence.

Oppose

1. Vommack (talk) I don't see why it should be moved from the infobox.
2. Stonehill (talk) Per Vommack.

Comments

I don't get what page you're talking about. Can you link it for me? Ray Trace^(T|C) 15:51, 28 June 2014 (EDT)

I think he means put a quote at the top of the Minigame article that states the info that the game puts info on. It's rather trivial to be honest, and doesn't really merit a proposal anyway, but he could mean that he's going to simply move it up the page more. So is this supposed to move it up the page or create a quote at the top? - 17:17, 28 June 2014 (EDT)

Look at my sandbox TSUNAMI

The {{articleabout}} has to go above the quote. - Walkazo (talk)

Miscellaneous

None at the moment.