MarioWiki:Proposals

Proposals can be new features (such as an extension), removal of a previously added feature that has tired out, or new policies that must be approved via consensus before any action(s) are done. Any user can support or oppose, but must have a strong reason for doing so, not, e.g., "I like this idea!" "Vote" periods last for one week. All past proposals are archived.

A proposal section works like a discussion page: comments are brought up and replied to using indents (colons, such as : or ::::) and all edits are signed using the code {{User|User name}}.

This page observes the No-Signature Policy.

How To

Rules

1. If users have an idea about improving the wiki or managing its community, but feel that they need community approval before acting upon that idea, they may make a proposal about it. They must have a strong argument supporting their idea and be willing to discuss it in detail with the other users, who will then vote about whether or not they think the idea should be used. Proposals should include links to all relevant pages and Writing Guideline proposals must include a link to the draft page.
2. Proposals end at the end of the day (23:59) one week after voting starts, except for Writing Guidelines and Talk Page Proposals, which run for two weeks. (All times GMT.)
   • For example, if a proposal is added at any time on Monday, August 1, 2011, the voting starts immediately and the deadline is one week later on Monday, August 8, at 23:59 GMT.
3. Every vote should have a reason accompanying it. Agreeing with or seconding a previously mentioned reason given by another user is accepted.
4. Users who feel that certain votes were cast in bad faith or which truly have no merit can address the votes in the Comments section. Users can ask a voter to clarify their position, point out mistakes or flaws in their arguments, or call for the outright removal of the vote if it lacks sufficient reasoning. Users may not remove or alter the content of anyone else's votes. Voters can remove or rewrite their own vote at any time, but the final decision to remove another user's vote lies solely with the administrators.
5. If a user makes a vote and is subsequently blocked for any amount of time, their vote is removed. However, if the block ends before the proposal ends, then the user in question holds the right to re-cast their vote.
6. No proposal can overturn the decision of a previous proposal that is less than 4 weeks (28 days) old.
7. Any proposal that has three votes or less at deadline will automatically be listed as "NO QUORUM." The original proposer then has the option to relist said proposal to generate more discussion.
8. All proposals that end up in a tie will be extended for another week.
9. If a proposal has more than ten votes, it can only pass or fail by a margin of three votes. If a proposal reaches the deadline and the total number of votes for each option differ by two or less votes, the deadline will be extended for another week.
10. Proposals can only be extended up to three times. If a consensus has not been reached by the fourth deadline, the proposal fails and can only be re-proposed after four weeks, at the earliest.
11. All proposals are archived. The original proposer must take action accordingly if the outcome of the proposal dictates it. If it requires the help of an administrator, the proposer can ask for that help.
12. Proposals can only be rewritten or deleted by their proposer within the first three days of their creation. However, proposers can request that their proposal be deleted by an administrator at any time, provided they have a valid reason for it. Please note that cancelled proposals must also be archived.
13. If the administrators deem a proposal unnecessary or potentially detrimental to the upkeep of the Super Mario Wiki, they have the right to remove it at any time.
14. There should not be proposals about creating articles on an underrepresented or completely absent subject, unless there is major disagreement about whether the content should be included. To organize efforts about completing articles on missing subjects, try creating a PipeProject.
15. Proposals cannot be made about promotions and demotions. Users can only be promoted and demoted by the will of the administration.
16. No joke proposals. Proposals are serious wiki matters and should be handled professionally. Joke proposals will be deleted on sight.

Basic Proposal and Support/Oppose Format

This is an example of what your proposal should look like, if you want it to be acknowledged. If you are inexperienced or unsure how to set up this format, simply copy the following and paste it into the fitting section. Then replace the [subject] - variables with information to customize your proposal, so it says what you wish. If you insert the information, be sure to replace the whole variable including the squared brackets, so "[insert info here]" becomes "This is the inserted information", not "[This is the inserted information]".

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===[insert a title for your Proposal here]===
[describe what issue this Proposal is about and what changes you think should be made to improve how the Wiki handles that issue]

'''Proposer''': {{User|[enter your username here]}}<br>
'''Deadline''': [insert a deadline here, 7 days after the proposal was created, at 23:59 GMT.]

====Support====
#{{User|[enter your username here]}} [make a statement indicating that you support your proposal]

====Oppose====

====Comments====

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Users will now be able to vote on your Proposal, until the set deadline is reached. Remember, you are a user as well, so you can vote on your own Proposal just like the others.

To support, or oppose, just insert "#{{User|[add your username here]}} at the bottom of the section of your choice. Just don't forget to add a valid reason for your vote behind that tag if you are voting on another user's Proposal. If you are voting on your own Proposal, you can just say "Per my Proposal".

Talk Page Proposals

All proposals dealing with a single article or a specific group of articles are held on the talk page of one of the articles in question. Proposals dealing with massive amounts of splits, merges or deletions across the Wiki should still be held on this page.

For a list of all settled Talk Page Proposals, see here.

Rules

1. All active talk page proposals must be listed below in chronological order (new proposals go at the bottom). All pages affected must be mentioned in the brief description, with the talk page housing the discussion linked to directly via "(Template:Fakelink)". If the proposal involved a page that is not yet made, use {{fakelink}} to communicate its title. The Deadline must also be included in the entry. Linking to pages not directly involved in the talk page proposal is not recommended, as it clutters the list with unnecessary links. Place {{TPP}} under the heading.
2. All rules for talk page proposals are the same as mainspace proposals (see the "How To" section above), with the exceptions made by Rules 3 and 4 as follows:
3. Voting in talk page proposals will be open for two weeks, not one. (All times GMT.)
   • For example, if a proposal is added at any time on Monday, August 1, 2011, it ends two weeks later on Monday, August 15, 2011, at 23:59 GMT.
4. Talk page proposals may be closed by the proposer at any time if both the support and the oppose sides each have fewer than five votes.
5. The talk page proposal must pertain to the article it is posted on.

List of Talk Page Proposals

• Split Cursed Jar from Lucky Jar (Discuss) Deadline: August 4, 2011, 23:59 GMT Extended: August 11, 2011, 23:59 GMT August 18, 2011 23:59 GMT August 25, 2011 23:59
• Merge Bomb Seed with Feed and Seed (Discuss) Deadline: August 26, 2011, 23:59 GMT
• Delete and/or Merge Mario's Glove (Discuss) Deadline: August 26, 2011, 23:59 GMT

Writing Guidelines

Generic Subjects

Draft: User:Knife/Policy

This is the first Writing Guideline and is based on my previous proposal. I think Generic Subjects articles should be regulated a little better, which is why I want to propose a Writing Guideline for it. As it is now, it is a very short Writing Guideline but it has room to grow over the course of this proposal. Even if it doesn't, there isn't that much to say about it without going overboard on examples.

I just want to clarify that the statement under the "Exceptions" header stating "This does not apply to sports games.". The reason I wrote that was because nearly everything in the sports games can be construed as collecting (such a catching a basketball) or significant to gameplay (like a home run). This criteria still works well in almost every other genre.

Finally, if this proposal passes, we will start deleting all generic subject articles which are not protected under the proposed Writing Guideline. This will be a slow campaign because tracking down the generic subject articles and determining whether they fit the criteria is time consuming, especially considering how subjective the criteria is.

Proposer: Knife (talk)
Deadline: September 4, 2011, 23:59 GMT

Support

1. Knife (talk) – Per my own proposal.
2. Walkazo (talk) - Having a way to regulate these pages is a good idea, and the Guideline still leaves enough room to come at it on a case-by-case basis, meaning we shouldn't end up losing any good articles to technicalities.
3. Fawfulfury65 (talk) Per all.
4. Bowser's luma (talk) You can't argue with a man who has a draft.
5. MrConcreteDonkey (talk) - Per all.
6. Jazama (talk) Per all.
7. Toad85 (talk) I think that this is a good idea, but I think that the restrictions should be somewhat less loose. For example, items like Home Run and Poop could get past, because they are important to the gameplay of the game.

New Features

Form Over Sayed

Almost all the microgame pages from WarioWare: Smooth Moves have a section called Form. I think these sections must be delected because the infobox already have the Form description.

Proposer: Goomblob (talk)
Deadline: August 24, 2011, 23:59 GMT

Support

1. Zero777 (talk) Screw the examples, I looked it up myself to see if he was right and he is. This thing I believe can be swung by the staff, but proposals are good ways. So I find the form section useless also.
2. SWFlash (talk) per Zero.
3. Walkazo (talk) - Per Zero777 (and SWFlash's example).
4. Goomba's Shoe15 (talk) Per Zero
5. Reddragon19k (talk) Time to per all and that is that!
6. Jazama (talk) Per all
7. Baconator (talk) Sure, per all
8. Lakituthequick (talk) Useless section, per all
9. Loxo (talk) Per All
10. Supremo78 (talk) Per Zero.
11. TurniPowerup (talk) Excellent proposal Goomblob! Why even make a section for 2-4 words? Per all, especially Zero777 and Goomblob.
12. Bowser's luma (talk) Yes it is quite "over sayed".

Comments

I need some more description on why you want to do this to give a vote. Supremo78 (talk)

You Haven't got enough detail for me to vote. If you add examples Then I could give you a vote Jman2401 (talk)

Per Jman2401. I don't even know what "form" means. Elaborate for those who don't have the game. Toad85 (talk)

Example article: Pest Control. SWFlash (talk)

Wait a second, but what about the "Forms" article itself? I'm a bit confused here... is that article going to stay (because it's fine as it is). MeritC (talk)

No he's only referring to the forms section in the microgame articles. Zero777 (talk)

DS icons

As you can see when starting a Nintendo DS game, every game has an 32×32px icon. I think we should add these to the DS game articles like this:

The Super Mario Wiki is a wiki about the Mario series and its related series, Wario, Yoshi, Donkey Kong, and Super Smash Bros. It has many articles, such as Super Mario Bros., Super Mario World, New Super Mario Bros., Bowser, Extra Life, Goomba and much more. In most of these games, such as New Super Mario Bros., the plumber Mario saves Princess Peach from Bowser, who is the main antagonist. ...

Edit: As most icons are transparant and jpg is low quality, images should be png or gif.

Proposer: Lakituthequick (talk)
Deadline: August 27, 2011, 23:59 GMT.

Support

1. Lakituthequick (talk) My proposal
2. Conanshinichi (talk) Per Lakituthequick.
3. Reddragon19k (talk) Per both! I think this is a great idea!
4. Zero777 (talk) This sounds like a good idea; it's a little, but I think this will differentiate us from other wikis [a lot].

Oppose

1. MrConcreteDonkey (talk) - I'm sorry, but you've lost me. To me it seems you've bundled quite a few unrelated topics together. Also per Walkazo below.
2. Goomba's Shoe15 (talk) Per above
3. Supremo78 (talk) Per MCD.
4. TurniPowerup (talk) Per MrConcreteDonkey!
5. Walkazo (talk) - It would be inconsistent with the games from every other console (which don't have icons). Also, having images in the top left corner as well as the one in the infobox to the right looks sloppy, imho (it's not so bad if there's a quote above the paragraph, but while this is common with the consoles and their slogans, it's not really a solution for game pages). It'd be good to have the icons on the pages - just not in the introduction.
6. YoshiGo99 (talk) Per MCD and Walkazo.
7. Tails777 (talk) Per MCD. I have no idea what this proposal is about.
8. Lindsay151 (talk) Per Walkazo.
9. Mario4Ever (talk) Per Walkazo.
10. Jazama (talk) Per all.
11. Bowser's luma (talk) I understand the concept I think, but it should be a little clearer - I'm not going to support something where the general concept is all that is graspable.
12. MeritC (talk) Per all; plus I fail to see how this would be VERY necessary around these parts.
13. Toad85 (talk) I would, honestly, like to include the icons, but not in the way you are describing.

Comments

I don't understand exactly what you want to do. Could you explain a bit more? Yoshiwaker (talk)

As you see when you startup a DS game, it has an icon. My plan is to add those icons to the topleft corner of the pages the icon belongs to: New Super Mario Bros. gets the yellow square with Mario's face on it. Lakituthequick (talk)

I like the idea, but we already have the box cover art, and most articles already have a bunch of pictures. Would these additional images add any value to the pages? Brock1221 (talk)

We want to cover everything about Mario (licenced), that icon is part of the game it belongs to. I never saw one on any page on this wiki. Lakituthequick (talk)

Maybe to a gallery or something. Baconator (talk)

When this proposal loses I do this, but if it passes, we do both. Lakituthequick (talk)

@Walkazo (talk) If images in topleft corner look sloppy, what about the Wii logo on its page? Lakituthequick (talk)

I think they should be uploaded, sure, but I think they should just go in the gallery or something, not have a really prominent place on the page. Yoshiwaker (talk)

@Lakituthequick: like I said in my vote, having a quotation above the paragraph (as with most, if not all the consoles) negates the sloppy appearance, seeing as the image isn't actually in the corner anymore, it's buffered by text. Also, the logo's a lot more self-explanatory than a DS icon, and not all icon designs loan themselves to simply floating frameless on the page, unlike the backgroundless logos; trying to ameliorate that with thumbnails and explanations would clutter the introductions up way too much. Furthermore, having the logo and the slogan up at the top across from a picture of the console and the infobox filled with the basic information is an efficient way to get the fundamental info to the readers; by contrast, the icon is neither fundamental nor essential to comprehending the article's subject matter at a glance, which is the point of introductions. - Walkazo (talk)

Removals

Remove template maps from articles

Before anyone thinks that I'm proposing to remove all maps from the wiki, let me elaborate. On location articles for Paper Mario and the Mario & Luigi series (Toad Town, Hoohoo Mountain, Thwomp Volcano, Cavi Cape, etc.), there is a small map that allows someone to to go from one location to another location in the same game. That is what I'm proposing to remove. Why? One, the map is really small. It's impractical to look for a location since some of the locations are right next to eachother. Two, it's unnecessary. What's wrong with simply searching for the location, or going to the navigation template? Three, it's inconsistent. Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door and Super Mario RPG, and possibly others, have in-game maps too, yet they don't have a map for all of their location articles.

I'll offer three choices: Remove these maps from the ones that have it, add these maps to the ones that lack it, or leave everything as it is.

Proposer: Reversinator (talk)
Deadline: August 29, 2011, 23:59 GMT

Remove all maps

1. Reversinator (talk) Per proposal.
2. Reddragon19k (talk) Reverse is right! We don't need it! Per him!

Add maps

1. BoygeyMario (talk) Maps don't harm teh wiki in any way.
2. YoshiGo99 (talk) The maps are easy to use. They are quicker and you don't have to find the location in a template or category.
3. Baconator (talk) They're very useful, especially for the Bowser's body article. Besides, we can create template maps for other maps.
4. Zero777 (talk) I don't think entirely removing it will be the best; a template may be a better solution.
5. Bowser's luma (talk) Per all.

Do nothing

1. Toad85 (talk) I think it's fine the way it is.

Comments

While regular navigation templates should be sufficient for navigating the articles, it might be worth keeping these templates on the game and/or world pages at the very least (like Bowser's body or Beanbean Kingdom), since it is much more efficient to show people which names apply to which spot, rather than having to explain it verbally. Granted, most of the time, the explanation's pretty straightforward and a tagged map isn't essential, but there's at least one map I definitely don't want to see eradicated entirely: {{Bowsermap}}. That layout's rather unorthodox and the directions can be quite bad - "large intestine" doesn't direct me to the Trash Pit's location at all, but while "the green circle on the left next to the red elbow circle" does tell me what I want to know, that sort of description doesn't exactly seem like the kind of writing style we want on the articles (imho). If there was an option to remove the template from everywhere but Bowser's body and Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story (like a "leave maps on hub pages only" option only, or something), I'd totally vote for it. - Walkazo (talk)

Changes

None at the moment.

Miscellaneous

None at the moment.