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==TTP (adding sales in the infobox)==
==TTP (adding sales in the infobox)==
{{SettledTPP}}
{{Settled TPP}}
{{ProposalOutcome|failed|1-10|Don't add sales}}
{{Proposal outcome|failed|1-10|Don't add sales}}
Hi everyone! I'm proposing to add 'sales' as a parameter to the {{tem|Infobox}} template. As I said above, it would be necessary because often this information is overlooked, and if it was added to the infobox, it would push users to fill it. Responding to a comment above, yes, the info can go elsewhere on an article, but wouldn't it be better to collect it in the infobox?  
Hi everyone! I'm proposing to add 'sales' as a parameter to the {{tem|game infobox}} template. As I said above, it would be necessary because often this information is overlooked, and if it was added to the infobox, it would push users to fill it. Responding to a comment above, yes, the info can go elsewhere on an article, but wouldn't it be better to collect it in the infobox?  


'''Proposer:''' {{User|YoshiKong}}<br>
'''Proposer:''' {{User|YoshiKong}}<br>
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== Request ==
== Request ==


{{talk}}
Can we have a part like
Can we have a part like
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::Old, but I think it can work. {{User:DarkNight/sig}} 18:24, September 22, 2020 (EDT)
::Old, but I think it can work. {{User:DarkNight/sig}} 18:24, September 22, 2020 (EDT)
==Game-Infobox==
==Game-Infobox==
{{talk}}
Why isn't this called {{fake link|Template: Game-infobox}} and make this page a disambig page for infobox templates. <s>The only reason I'm bringing this up is because of [[Template:SMS|this]].</s> {{User:DarkNight/sig}} 18:24, September 22, 2020 (EDT)
Why isn't this called {{fake link|Template: Game-infobox}} and make this page a disambig page for infobox templates. <s>The only reason I'm bringing this up is because of [[Template:SMS|this]].</s> {{User:DarkNight/sig}} 18:24, September 22, 2020 (EDT)


== Add a section listing languages the game is available in to the infobox ==
== Add a section listing languages the game is available in to the infobox ==
{{TPP}}
{{Settled TPP}}
 
{{Proposal outcome|passed|7-3|add section}}
I think this would be useful as sometimes this info is hard to come by (and the translation section at the bottom of the page often isn't indicative of what languages the game is offered in as game titles are usually left untranslated)  
I think this would be useful as sometimes this info is hard to come by (and the translation section at the bottom of the page often isn't indicative of what languages the game is offered in as game titles are usually left untranslated)  


'''Proposer''': [[User:Zachruff|Zachruff]] ([[User talk:Zachruff|talk]])<br>
'''Proposer''': {{User|Zachruff}}<br>
'''Deadline''': "February 26, 2022, 23:59 GMT"
'''Deadline''': February 26, 2022, 23:59 GMT


====Support====
====Support====
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#{{User|Superstarxalien169}} Per proposal.
#{{User|Superstarxalien169}} Per proposal.
#{{User|Zachruff}} Per proposal.
#{{User|Zachruff}} Per proposal.
#{{User|Somethingone}} Per proposal.
#{{User|Atlas}} Per proposal.
#{{User|RHG1951}} Per proposal.
#{{User|Ray Trace}} This would be immensely helpful for trying to figure out if X game has, say, a Russian localization, and that we need to document names onto the wiki.


====Oppose====
====Oppose====
#{{User|WildWario}} How would we add these in the infobox? If we do add them, the infobox might become too long due to some games being available in too many languages.  
#{{User|WildWario}} How would we add these in the infobox? If we do add them, the infobox might become too long due to some games being available in too many languages.  
#{{User|DannyTheDingo}} Per above.
#{{User|DannyTheDingo}} Per above.
#{{User|LinkTheLefty}} I can see a boxart region toggle, but listing every language might be a bit much for the infobox. I think it would be better to have the names in other languages section expanded to cover languages that share the English title, which we already do for some articles. Plus, what about cases where the game itself is released in another territory, but not another language? There's technically no "Japanese" version of a lot of earlier games, after all, not to mention non-English European releases can be murky.


====Comments====
====Comments====
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Re: {{User|WildWario}} I mean we already have the list of release date in every single region which would take up the same amount of space. Could we also not have lists in the infobox be collapseable if people think they are getting too long? [[User:Zachruff|Zachruff]] ([[User talk:Zachruff|talk]]) 08:52, February 12, 2022 (EST)
Re: {{User|WildWario}} I mean we already have the list of release date in every single region which would take up the same amount of space. Could we also not have lists in the infobox be collapseable if people think they are getting too long? [[User:Zachruff|Zachruff]] ([[User talk:Zachruff|talk]]) 08:52, February 12, 2022 (EST)
Re: {{User|LinkTheLefty}} I think you are confused, we already have a list of which territories the game was released in and when, but just because a game released in a territory doesn't mean it was localized to that places languages. (i.e. Nintendo has official releases in South Africa yet does not localize them into any of SA's many official languages). Additionally, like I said before, game titles and box arts often are left in English, and there are also boxarts made for regions that arent localized either (Middle East for example). finally, even the official Nintendo website feels that its important enough to list all supported languages so I don't see why it wouldn't be important enough here too when we have much more obscure things like the media type. [[User:Zachruff|Zachruff]] ([[User talk:Zachruff|talk]]) 11:08, February 20, 2022 (EST)
== Add the product IDs in the infobox ==
{{Settled TPP}}
{{Proposal outcome|passed|4-0}}
The serial codes are listed in the infobox. We can check it through the back of the boxart. In handheld games, it usually listed on the front cover. Also Japanese Nintendo website redirects its serial code as a page.
Example:
*[[Super Mario 64 DS]]: NTR-ASMJ-JPN [https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ds/asmj/index.html]
*[[New Super Mario Bros.]]: NTR-A2DJ-JPN [https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ds/a2dj/index.html]
'''Proposer''': [[User:Windy|Windy]] ([[User talk:Windy|talk]])<br>
'''Deadline''': <s>March 11, 2023, 23:59 GMT</s> Extended to March 18, 2023, 23:59 GMT
=====Support=====
#{{User|Spectrogram}} Per proposal.
#{{User|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)}} Per proposal & Spectrogram.
#{{User|ThePowerPlayer}} Per proposal.
#{{User|1468z}} Per proposal.
=====Oppose=====
=====Comments=====
Does this proposal account for the fact that product IDs often differ [https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/ds/920758-super-mario-64-ds/data by] [https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/ds/920787-new-super-mario-bros/data region]? [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 09:00, March 16, 2023 (EDT)
:It probably does. I suggest you ask {{User|Windy}} himself. {{User|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)}} 12:57, March 16, 2023 (CST)
::The serials are included by region, like rating. [[User:Windy|Windy]] ([[User talk:Windy|talk]]) 20:58, March 17, 2023 (EDT)
== Bug in languages template ==
<s>I mentioned this before in [[Template talk:Languages]] but no one seems to have noticed. If there is no American English version available, the template will leave a blank space above the next language. This can be seen in ''[[Kaettekita Mario Bros.]]'' and ''[[Yakuman DS]]''.</s>--[[User:Platform|Platform]] ([[User talk:Platform|talk]]) 23:56, April 1, 2023 (EDT)
:It's now fixed!--[[User:Platform|Platform]] ([[User talk:Platform|talk]]) 00:34, April 2, 2023 (EDT)
== Post-proposal discussion (re: product IDs) ==
So how are we supposed to put the product IDs into the infoboxes? Do we need to create a new parameter, or...? [[User:Power Flotzo|Power Flotzo]] ([[User talk:Power Flotzo|talk]]) 21:02, February 17, 2024 (EST)<br/>
:Edit: Already been created, thanks Steve! [[User:Power Flotzo|Power Flotzo]] ([[User talk:Power Flotzo|talk]]) 17:07, February 19, 2024 (EST)
::The template hasn't been created yet. It depends on the regions. [[User:Windy|Windy]] ([[User talk:Windy|talk]]) 20:34, April 24, 2024 (EDT)
== Retitle to "Software infobox" ==
{{talk}}
Can this be retitled to "Software infobox"? A point was raised on the [[Talk:I am a teacher: Super Mario Sweater|I am a teacher: Super Mario Sweater]] talk page about said media being software and not an actual game. But what still remains is that said template is already in use on [[I am a teacher: Super Mario Sweater|said page]] and other software, including even applications like ''[[Mario Clock]]'', despite not truly counting as "games." Would it be okay if this template is renamed to "software infobox"? This is more inclusive of broader instances of ''Super Mario'' media. [[User:Super Mario RPG|Super Mario RPG]] ([[User talk:Super Mario RPG|talk]]) 19:50, May 31, 2024 (EDT)
==Box art galleries==
Since the text "For alternate box art, see the game's gallery." directs straight to the article's "Gallery:" equivalent, some of them like ''Pinball'' and ''Mario Bros.'' have to redirect from the "(game)" galleries. Is there a way to make the link direct? [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 09:32, September 22, 2024 (EDT)
:Seems that did the trick. Thanks. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 22:00, September 22, 2024 (EDT)

Latest revision as of 21:00, September 22, 2024

Adding "sales" to infobox[edit]

I think it would be a good idea to add global or regional sales of a game to this infobox. It's use would be optional, but it would be good because not all articles have sales infomation. Does anyone agree?

'Shroom Spotlight Shokora (talk · edits)

Make a TTP if you feel it is necessary PTR (trivialWarlord)
I think sales should go in the reception section/the opening paragraph like on Super Mario Galaxy personally. Raven Effect (talk)

TTP (adding sales in the infobox)[edit]

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Don't add sales 1-10
Hi everyone! I'm proposing to add 'sales' as a parameter to the {{game infobox}} template. As I said above, it would be necessary because often this information is overlooked, and if it was added to the infobox, it would push users to fill it. Responding to a comment above, yes, the info can go elsewhere on an article, but wouldn't it be better to collect it in the infobox?

Proposer: YoshiKong (talk)
Deadline: June 21, 2012, 23:59 GMT

Support (add parameter)[edit]

  1. YoshiKong (talk) Per my proposal.

Oppose (leave infobox as it is)[edit]

  1. Walkazo (talk) - I feel like it'd be better to use sales as a way to try and motivate users to create full-on Reception sections: it's an easy jumping-off point, onto which more in-depth info can be added. Sales also need explanations a lot of the time, especially if there's more than one region, and that'd better suited to paragraph form, rather than just sticking the numbers in an infobox.
  2. Zero777 (talk) Per Walkazo. Video games are not like movies, where the movie company gain money only at the first few weeks at the box office and then after that its the theatre's money, no, they continue to garner money.
  3. Bop1996 (talk) Per Walkazo.
  4. Raven Effect (talk) Per Walkazo.
  5. Commander Code-8 (talk) The amount of sales for a game is something that needs an explanation,e.g. why Super Mario RPG didn't have a huge amount of sales despite being well-reviewed is something that warrants it's on explanation, putting a simple number in the infobox won't do much.
  6. Mario4Ever (talk) Per Walkazo.
  7. MarioSmasher (talk) I cannot explain my total disappointment about this. We cannot treat games like movies!
  8. Vommack (talk) Per Walkazo.
  9. Jazama (talk) Per all
  10. Fawfulfury65 (talk) Per Walkazo.

Comments[edit]

Thank you to everyone for giving their honest opinions. In retrospect, my proposal does seem like quite a questionable idea. --YoshiKong (talk)

Does that mean we can close up shop on this one early? Vommack (talk)

Pre-"release" releases[edit]

While Nintendo haven't gone anywhere near as hard on public betas and "Early Access" as a lot of other companies, it's not unheard of - the Mario Tennis Aces tournament/demo right now being a perfect example. Shouldn't we reflect that with an appropriate variable for this? - Reboot (talk) 17:34, 2 June 2018 (EDT)

I agree with this. We already do sorta cover demos with the Mario & Sonic Rio demo, but more coverage on demos in general is always appreciated. BabyLuigiFire.pngRay Trace(T|C) 17:47, 2 June 2018 (EDT)
We could group the demo release with the final release in the Release date variable. I don't see why not. Alex95sig1.pngAlex95sig2.png 22:15, 3 June 2018 (EDT)
Honestly? The release variable is already overloaded as it is. There should probably be a separate - and collapsed by default! - variable for re-release dates, with the main "Release date" just for the first releases in any given territory. (I can't emphasise "collapsed by default" enough for that part) - Reboot (talk) 00:19, 4 June 2018 (EDT)

Request[edit]

Can we have a part like

Hello!? [-]€40 vv@(talk · edits)Hyperluigi.gif 14:11, May 11, 2019 (EDT)
Old, but I think it can work. --JumpPumpkinPlant SMW.pngDarkNightPiranha Plant in Fall 18:24, September 22, 2020 (EDT)

Game-Infobox[edit]

Why isn't this called Template: Game-infobox and make this page a disambig page for infobox templates. The only reason I'm bringing this up is because of this. --JumpPumpkinPlant SMW.pngDarkNightPiranha Plant in Fall 18:24, September 22, 2020 (EDT)

Add a section listing languages the game is available in to the infobox[edit]

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add section 7-3
I think this would be useful as sometimes this info is hard to come by (and the translation section at the bottom of the page often isn't indicative of what languages the game is offered in as game titles are usually left untranslated)

Proposer: Zachruff (talk)
Deadline: February 26, 2022, 23:59 GMT

Support[edit]

  1. Hewer (talk) Per proposal.
  2. Superstarxalien169 (talk) Per proposal.
  3. Zachruff (talk) Per proposal.
  4. Somethingone (talk) Per proposal.
  5. Atlas (talk) Per proposal.
  6. RHG1951 (talk) Per proposal.
  7. Ray Trace (talk) This would be immensely helpful for trying to figure out if X game has, say, a Russian localization, and that we need to document names onto the wiki.

Oppose[edit]

  1. WildWario (talk) How would we add these in the infobox? If we do add them, the infobox might become too long due to some games being available in too many languages.
  2. DannyTheDingo (talk) Per above.
  3. LinkTheLefty (talk) I can see a boxart region toggle, but listing every language might be a bit much for the infobox. I think it would be better to have the names in other languages section expanded to cover languages that share the English title, which we already do for some articles. Plus, what about cases where the game itself is released in another territory, but not another language? There's technically no "Japanese" version of a lot of earlier games, after all, not to mention non-English European releases can be murky.

Comments[edit]

This feels important enough to include, but not for the infobox. Perhaps a bulleted list of all known language releases within or below the "Names in other languages" section? However, I can see how that could sometimes be made redundant by the infobox's pre-existing area for regional releases. Black Dog DingoHazel [00526] 05:57, February 12, 2022 (EST)

Re: WildWario (talk) I mean we already have the list of release date in every single region which would take up the same amount of space. Could we also not have lists in the infobox be collapseable if people think they are getting too long? Zachruff (talk) 08:52, February 12, 2022 (EST)

Re: LinkTheLefty (talk) I think you are confused, we already have a list of which territories the game was released in and when, but just because a game released in a territory doesn't mean it was localized to that places languages. (i.e. Nintendo has official releases in South Africa yet does not localize them into any of SA's many official languages). Additionally, like I said before, game titles and box arts often are left in English, and there are also boxarts made for regions that arent localized either (Middle East for example). finally, even the official Nintendo website feels that its important enough to list all supported languages so I don't see why it wouldn't be important enough here too when we have much more obscure things like the media type. Zachruff (talk) 11:08, February 20, 2022 (EST)

Add the product IDs in the infobox[edit]

Settledproposal.svg This talk page proposal has already been settled. Please do not edit any of the sections in the proposal. If you wish to discuss the article, do so in a new header below the proposal.

passed 4-0
The serial codes are listed in the infobox. We can check it through the back of the boxart. In handheld games, it usually listed on the front cover. Also Japanese Nintendo website redirects its serial code as a page.

Example:

Proposer: Windy (talk)
Deadline: March 11, 2023, 23:59 GMT Extended to March 18, 2023, 23:59 GMT

Support[edit]
  1. Spectrogram (talk) Per proposal.
  2. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) Per proposal & Spectrogram.
  3. ThePowerPlayer (talk) Per proposal.
  4. 1468z (talk) Per proposal.
Oppose[edit]
Comments[edit]

Does this proposal account for the fact that product IDs often differ by region? LinkTheLefty (talk) 09:00, March 16, 2023 (EDT)

It probably does. I suggest you ask Windy (talk) himself. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 12:57, March 16, 2023 (CST)
The serials are included by region, like rating. Windy (talk) 20:58, March 17, 2023 (EDT)

Bug in languages template[edit]

I mentioned this before in Template talk:Languages but no one seems to have noticed. If there is no American English version available, the template will leave a blank space above the next language. This can be seen in Kaettekita Mario Bros. and Yakuman DS.--Platform (talk) 23:56, April 1, 2023 (EDT)

It's now fixed!--Platform (talk) 00:34, April 2, 2023 (EDT)

Post-proposal discussion (re: product IDs)[edit]

So how are we supposed to put the product IDs into the infoboxes? Do we need to create a new parameter, or...? Power Flotzo (talk) 21:02, February 17, 2024 (EST)

Edit: Already been created, thanks Steve! Power Flotzo (talk) 17:07, February 19, 2024 (EST)
The template hasn't been created yet. It depends on the regions. Windy (talk) 20:34, April 24, 2024 (EDT)

Retitle to "Software infobox"[edit]

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Can this be retitled to "Software infobox"? A point was raised on the I am a teacher: Super Mario Sweater talk page about said media being software and not an actual game. But what still remains is that said template is already in use on said page and other software, including even applications like Mario Clock, despite not truly counting as "games." Would it be okay if this template is renamed to "software infobox"? This is more inclusive of broader instances of Super Mario media. Super Mario RPG (talk) 19:50, May 31, 2024 (EDT)

Box art galleries[edit]

Since the text "For alternate box art, see the game's gallery." directs straight to the article's "Gallery:" equivalent, some of them like Pinball and Mario Bros. have to redirect from the "(game)" galleries. Is there a way to make the link direct? LinkTheLefty (talk) 09:32, September 22, 2024 (EDT)

Seems that did the trick. Thanks. LinkTheLefty (talk) 22:00, September 22, 2024 (EDT)