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I have way better quality pics, show me how to up load them and i'll put it on here, it was taken out from the prima guide if anyone else wants to do it. {{unsigned|Lcc98}}
I have way better quality pics, show me how to up load them and i'll put it on here, it was taken out from the prima guide if anyone else wants to do it. {{unsigned|Lcc98}}
:To upload, just go on the main page and find the link "Upload File" on the left side of the page under the heading ''Toolbox''. Once inside, everything else should be self-explanatory. If you need any more help, just contact me on my Talk Page. {{User:JORDAN DEBONO/sig}} 03:00, 1 September 2012 (EDT)
== 1-Up ==
In the official prima giude it said if you jump on the coin coffer 5 times without touching the floor you get a 1-up. Is it true? {{Unsigned|World 6}}
== Enemy Name Change versus Completely Different species  ==
I've noticed for certain enemies in the past that have had names changed have simply received updates on their article referencing the name or names they have previously been referred to as by official sources. This sometimes rings true even if the enemy received a visual re-design as well; the most applicable comparison in this case I think is Fire Piranha Plant, which was referred to as Venus Fire Trap until Super Mario 3D Land (where it received a re-design to the orange and brown color scheme). Is there any reason to suggest that the same is not true for Coin Coffers versus Moneybags? Not only does the Coin Coffer serve the same practical purpose as Moneybags, but also first appeared in 3D Land. To me this almost suggests that (unless there is an official source clarifying it is indeed a different species and not just a name change as with Fire Piranha Plant) it is simply a Moneybag with a different design. I think another comparable example of this being done in the past would be the "Bubba" from Super Mario 64 later being changed to Cheep-Chomp (again, a major visual design change but the Wiki denotes the species as being the same but with a name change) as well as the species originally referred to in 64 as being called "Bubs" before being visually changed in 64 DS to the Cheep-Cheep design that is now standard across Mario games. To this note I am curious as to what people would think about merging the Moneybag and Coin Coffer articles and denoting that up until Mario 3D Land the enemy was referred to as "Moneybag".
[[User:HarryGCollections|HarryGCollections]] ([[User talk:HarryGCollections|talk]]) 22:42, June 8, 2020 (EDT)
:Because the Japanese name changed too. It's a Japanese-developed series, so in a grand majority of cases, that's telling. That being said, it was apparently intended to be Moneybag''s'' at the outset of SM3DL's development, but it is not the case in the finished product. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 22:54, June 8, 2020 (EDT)
:Ah, I see. That makes sense considering how many minor enemies I've seen whose articles use the Japanese name based on the lack of an English equivalent. Thanks for the quick response.
[[User:HarryGCollections|HarryGCollections]] ([[User talk:HarryGCollections|talk]]) 23:10, June 8, 2020 (EDT)
::To add to that, its internal name, <tt>GamaguchiKun</tt> (Moneybags) in ''Super Mario 3D Land'', became <tt>Gamane</tt> (Coin Coffer) by ''Super Mario 3D World''. So Coin Coffer definitely evolved from Moneybags from a conceptual standpoint, which is similar to what happened with [[Magmaargh#Trivia|Magmaargh]], thus Moneybags is considered the parent species of Coin Coffer. Your idea would certainly be worth taking into consideration if Coin Coffer ever replaces Moneybags in a remake of ''Super Mario 64'' or ''New Super Mario Bros.'', but for now, current information suggests Coin Coffer simply started off as Moneybags in development before the decision to turn the redesign into its own thing. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 23:20, June 8, 2020 (EDT)
== Relation to moneybags ==
How do y’all know it is related to Moneybags? [[User:CBFan5|CBFan5]] ([[User talk:CBFan5|talk]]) 19:15, July 7, 2020 (EDT)
:See above. Coin Coffer is derived from Moneybags from a conceptual standpoint, and they still have many similarities beyond that. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 19:20, July 7, 2020 (EDT)

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I have way better quality pics, show me how to up load them and i'll put it on here, it was taken out from the prima guide if anyone else wants to do it.
— The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lcc98 (talk).

To upload, just go on the main page and find the link "Upload File" on the left side of the page under the heading Toolbox. Once inside, everything else should be self-explanatory. If you need any more help, just contact me on my Talk Page. JackpotPersonolisedMiion3DS.JPGJordan 03:00, 1 September 2012 (EDT)

1-Up[edit]

In the official prima giude it said if you jump on the coin coffer 5 times without touching the floor you get a 1-up. Is it true?
— The preceding unsigned comment was added by World 6 (talk).

Enemy Name Change versus Completely Different species[edit]

I've noticed for certain enemies in the past that have had names changed have simply received updates on their article referencing the name or names they have previously been referred to as by official sources. This sometimes rings true even if the enemy received a visual re-design as well; the most applicable comparison in this case I think is Fire Piranha Plant, which was referred to as Venus Fire Trap until Super Mario 3D Land (where it received a re-design to the orange and brown color scheme). Is there any reason to suggest that the same is not true for Coin Coffers versus Moneybags? Not only does the Coin Coffer serve the same practical purpose as Moneybags, but also first appeared in 3D Land. To me this almost suggests that (unless there is an official source clarifying it is indeed a different species and not just a name change as with Fire Piranha Plant) it is simply a Moneybag with a different design. I think another comparable example of this being done in the past would be the "Bubba" from Super Mario 64 later being changed to Cheep-Chomp (again, a major visual design change but the Wiki denotes the species as being the same but with a name change) as well as the species originally referred to in 64 as being called "Bubs" before being visually changed in 64 DS to the Cheep-Cheep design that is now standard across Mario games. To this note I am curious as to what people would think about merging the Moneybag and Coin Coffer articles and denoting that up until Mario 3D Land the enemy was referred to as "Moneybag". HarryGCollections (talk) 22:42, June 8, 2020 (EDT)

Because the Japanese name changed too. It's a Japanese-developed series, so in a grand majority of cases, that's telling. That being said, it was apparently intended to be Moneybags at the outset of SM3DL's development, but it is not the case in the finished product. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 22:54, June 8, 2020 (EDT)
Ah, I see. That makes sense considering how many minor enemies I've seen whose articles use the Japanese name based on the lack of an English equivalent. Thanks for the quick response.

HarryGCollections (talk) 23:10, June 8, 2020 (EDT)

To add to that, its internal name, GamaguchiKun (Moneybags) in Super Mario 3D Land, became Gamane (Coin Coffer) by Super Mario 3D World. So Coin Coffer definitely evolved from Moneybags from a conceptual standpoint, which is similar to what happened with Magmaargh, thus Moneybags is considered the parent species of Coin Coffer. Your idea would certainly be worth taking into consideration if Coin Coffer ever replaces Moneybags in a remake of Super Mario 64 or New Super Mario Bros., but for now, current information suggests Coin Coffer simply started off as Moneybags in development before the decision to turn the redesign into its own thing. LinkTheLefty (talk) 23:20, June 8, 2020 (EDT)

Relation to moneybags[edit]

How do y’all know it is related to Moneybags? CBFan5 (talk) 19:15, July 7, 2020 (EDT)

See above. Coin Coffer is derived from Moneybags from a conceptual standpoint, and they still have many similarities beyond that. LinkTheLefty (talk) 19:20, July 7, 2020 (EDT)