User talk:Walkazo/Archive 6

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The first eleven months. The summer of '08. The winter of discontent. The spring of squelching superfluous spaces. The sporadic fall.

Status: Busy as always. My weekends are free again, but university still takes up most of my time, so I can't be online as much as I'd like to be. However, if you have any questions about the Super Mario Wiki, feel free to ask away, and I'll get back to you as soon as possible.

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Everytime I see your edits, you somehow popped out from the wiki, and then you came back to make a quick edit before leaving. ...Then it repeats all over again. Why? :X RAP... I see that your working on the template elimination process. Go Walk! >;D

I usually don't have time for more than a few edits these days, so editing some pages out of the blue and disappearing is all I can manage for now. Tonight is the exception: no matter how much sleep it's gonna cost me, I'm gonna delete one of those accursed templates! - Walkazo 00:07, 24 October 2009 (EDT)

Hey Walkazo, you certainly missed a lot of action lately. I hope your feet are warmed up for your doing... how are you doing? RAP... 23:45, 10 November 2009 (EST)

Yeah, I chose a bad week to catch up on RL stuff. Other than school being evil, I'm doing good. I'll PM you that list of stuff you asked for on the forums a while back when I get the chance - possibly this weekend, but I make no promises. - Walkazo 00:59, 11 November 2009 (EST)

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Hmph. I see. Pretty suspicious though don't you agree? The fact nothing was done until "I" did something certain people with more power than me didn't agree with? Hm. I think I see what's happened now. I'm not surprised. I could flip out right now, but I'm sure you understand how I must feel. Doesn't seem very fair does it?

Obviously I need to know some things though. Like... what IS going to happen now? What is this site actually going to do with character pages. You pointed out how broke apart they all are. Clearly something should be done to fix everything. You may or may not have noticed the Mario page (and some others) follow a ridiculous standard of making up some sort of chronological order not confirmed by anything. And other pages like the Koopalings are a mess thanks to the idea that equal means cramming everything together in a messy pile. Then, excuse me for being a bit biased, the Daisy page format of things which got it to be the featured article it is today.

Don't you think we should make something happen so that everything won't be so RIDICULOUSLY broken?

As you can see I'm trying to go about this for the good of the site rather than my personal loss of this failure of the mariowiki to support everyone fair power. Maybe if I wasn't so looked down upon this would've ended up differently. But I guess that's straying away from my question.

So? FD09

Well honestly I know the point of reverting my proposal was because of the problems and drastic changes the standard has seemed to have gone through, buuuut, doesn't it seem like a mistake to just end up saying: "We will keep everything the way it is now even though the whole reason everything is in disorder is because we have kept it this way for so long". What we need to do is go through and make a final decision as to how the pages should be set up for characters so that way we have something to work towards on all of them. If I don't have something they should all be set up for then I can't fix them, nobody can. Yes we have a standard but obviously it doesn't suit every page as a whole which is the reason it is so broken. We need to look at what each character page needs then set up the standard so that it can suit each page's differences while making them all similar enough to have a real standard.

I would make a proposal now. but I don't think people are going to understand what is wrong here. Even though they should. The fact my proposal was deemed a problem seems weird when I was trying to make the pages more like one another. So how am I supposed to fix a broken standard when I can't change it? This is backwards and I think you and every other person on this site with power knows it. This doesn't have to take years. It doesn't necessarily even have to take months. Why don't you help me fix this? Come on, it can be easy if we make it easy. FD09

Well well well well well. Hmm. For now, at least, I'm going to figure out a way to set up all of the character pages. I'm gonna try and look at the different ways character pages need to be set up in order to make a standard they can all follow. I know we can't change it now, but I can at least make a plan to make everything right. Still, I'll have to change the pages regardless. Is there like, a page that shows what the current standard is supposedly? FD09

Your Koopa Taxonomy Project

Are you still working on this? If so, where can I find it? - 2257^(Talk) 13:13, 11 November 2009 (EST)

Enough's Enough

Alright, this time TimeQ has done something personal. Rather than edit all of the pages with broken formats, including their bio's, TimeQ has gone to the Daisy page and incorrectly placed all other media information in the main biography. He basically just through everything in there. This is ridiculous. It is obviously a personal attack on me. TimeQ has no real interest in Daisy other than using her page to insult me with the fact he already got my whole proposal removed. This time it's personal, it's obvious. FD09

Okay. After what seemed like days (lol hours) of talking to TimeQ, Daisy's page basically just got hit by a semi-truck. I don't know what we're doing. We literally just need to fix the character pages pronto. I know their format deals with other pages like items or whatever. I (and other users) are willing to fix it now. Clearly this standard isn't working and it's not working anytime soon. Would you please come together with me and others to actually decide on what to do to format this. We can't just wait 'til it fixes itself anymore. We need to act now and do it right. It will NOT be hard, No more excuses. FD09

Discussing is a very good idea. What makes this so hard is that all the time you complain about how broken our standard is, and that it doesn't work. Actually, that's in diametrical opposition to my point of view. I can't see AT ALL how it doesn't work, and itnmy opinion the current standard is the only way to get rid of any notion of "canon" whatsoever. We don't have Biography sections anymore (mainly because it's hard or impossible to establish a "biography" when there's so many different and contradictory sources). Now we have History sections, and comic and film appearances belong to a character's history just as the game appearances. Well, I stated why I think we should keep our standard. Maybe you, FD09, should go on stating what exactly bugs you about the policy. Time Questions 17:46, 19 November 2009 (EST)

That "I" complain about it. Clearly you saw walkazo agreed when we were talking about it. Also, I don't see why you seem to act like you don't know what we think is broken about the standard when that was the whole point of the proposal. There's A LOT wrong with it. Basically each character page is different, many character pages still don't follow the current standard, and the reason comics cartoons and video games aren't split up in the biography right now is not because it makes a canon, as shown when my proposal PASSED. You seem to think it was taken back because people agreed with your silly idea of canon nonsense. Even after the proposal passed you looked past the fact that it was for nothing more than BETTER organizing of the pages history section. Every character page should be similar enough to have no confusion. You just don't get it. Simply looking at different pages should be enough to understand what's wrong with them. They're all different, and it's because the standard is not good enough. FD09

Um... Could you guys perhaps wait until after Walkazo responded to all this before going on further here? Also continuing the previous discussion on her talk page is kinda... meh o_O - Gabumon^(talk) 18:04, 19 November 2009 (EST)

Yeah you're right. I'd move what I said to TimeQ's talk page but I wasn't TRYING to talk about his silly opinions. I was just trying to fix things. Now we have another argument because TimeQ doesn't "understand". FD09

You're right, Edo. Sorry for abusing your talk page, Walkazo. We need a central place where we can discuss all that. Unfortunately I can't think of any. If we move the discussion to one of our talk pages now, it hardly stays traceable... Time Questions 18:08, 19 November 2009 (EST)

W/E I'm just going to wait until walkazo comes on. Laters. FD09

Wouldn't it make sense to move it to MarioWiki talk:Manual of Style? After all, the corresponding page talks about how pages should be organized, including the "history" section. - 2257^(Talk) 02:20, 20 November 2009 (EST)

I agree with 2257. It'd be a lot easier to continue a discussion of this caliber of importance on a community talk page, rather than a user talk page. — Stooben Rooben 02:25, 20 November 2009 (EST)

GP

That means girl power :P I hope this does not sound sexist, but is now I know you are a girl. I though always you were a boy until I read your user page. ¢oincoll€ctor Smash Bros Sister, eh? which character usually you choose?

Well, I would choose Luigi by having funny yet powerful moves. Even his taunts are deadly moves! XP

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The proposal about Daisy (or Peach) of the movie has been removed by the user Hello. I'm a recent active editor of this wiki, though I've been registered here for nearly two years. I started coming again to check out the article for the Super Mario Bros. film, due to a recent revival in my interest for it. I was disappointed to find that the article was woefully inadequate and very deprecating. The movie really does not deserve the bad reputation it has, so I decided to work to expand and improve the article and all those relating to it to help show other Mario fans what the movie really has to offer.

While I continue to expand those articles, I have since moved on to improving other articles. My modus opperandi could probably be defined by merging. I do enjoy the main Wikipedia, but many of the articles have been removed and cut down by merging them into general articles. This really lessens the amount of information a singular topic can cover, and I really dislike that. However, while these specialized fan-wikis do a good job covering subjects the main Wiki would most likely ignore, they also have a habit of placing too much importance on every little thing. I feel this is a poor presentation of information. It forces main articles to only lightly brush on related topics when it could be greatly expanded if found in the same place. Many of these split articles result in vague stubs, and that really does not help either article. Putting all the information in one place allows for a quick and easy allocation of a given subject's information, as well as reducing the presence of trivial stub articles.

Don't get me wrong: I don't want every article merged. If we did that, we'd be no better than Wikipedia and the flood of information on any given page would be overwhelming to any reader. I only work to merge articles of subjects I feel are intimately connected and do not stand on their own in the media they are found. Mario's hat doesn't deserve its own article, for example. I will always push to get things like that merged, and hopefully I can persuade a few backers to make it happen.

My other main area of focus is trivia sections. While trivia is fun and can result in a nice "Wow. I didn't notice that" kind of feeling, people really need to realize what does and what does not fit the profile of "triva". If I see trivia that's a mere coincidence, I remove it. No questions asked; trivia should have just as much standards as the rest of the page.

Articles I've Worked On

The following is a group of lists of different articles I've affected in some great way. My work on them may have been so great, and my interest especially tied into the subject, that I've "adopted" them. I Watch over them, expanding and re-writing when I can to create articles that are the best they possibly can be. You're welcome to help me on any of these, since I certainly can't do it all alone.

Articles I've merged

These are articles I've merged together and the reason why. Due to former articles no longer existing, the remaining article is provided first while the article(s) that were merged into it are described after.

• Beezo, and the former Shy Away article. Shy Away is just another name for the same type of enemy, so I merged them.

• Bill Blaster, and the former Blaster article. The Blaster was just the basic type of cannon that shoots Bullet Bills, so it worked better under the larger Bill Blaster as a Super Mario RPG section.

• Cheep-Cheep, and the former Goby article. Goby is an enemy found in Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars, like Shy Away, that was named differently upon translation. It shared the same name with Cheep-Cheep in the Japanese version, so they were clearly the same enemy.

• Durmite, and the former Straw article. The Straw is merely the proboscis of Durmite, thus making it a body part with a different point of attack, so separate articles was unnecessary. All credit for this merge goes to Edofenrir for pointing the division and the needlessness of it out, which I most likely would not have noticed on my own. I only set up the proposal and garnered it some attention.

• Elemental Crystals - Each of the following individual articles were a short stub, but merged they all now occupy a comprehensive, organized, and simply better group article. Initially proposed by me to merge into Culex, but Fawfulfury65 suggested the great idea of a group article, which resulted in unanimous support.
  • Earth Crystal
  • Fire Crystal
  • Water Crystal
  • Wind Crystal

• Elemental Ghost - Each of the following articles were short stubs dedicated to enemies found in Luigi's Mansion, a game that already receives very little attention as far as its articles. Each of the enemies are too similar and intimately-related as far as gameplay, so it made sense to put them together. (Special thanks to Edofenrir} for performing the actual merge during my absence)
  • Fire Elemental Ghost
  • Ice Elemental Ghost
  • Water Elemental Ghost

• Elevator Key, and the former Elevator Key (X-Naut) article. Both are items of the same name appearing in the same game. Only made sense to merge them. (Special thanks to Reversinator for performing the actual merge during my absence)

• Hamma, Bamma, & Flare - Each of the individual characters of this Glitz Pit team had their own articles, which was both messy and against current standard. Every other team of the Glitz Pit already had a grouped article, so it only made sense to merge them together. This also cut down on two stubs. Per another user's proposal.
  • Hamma Jamma
  • Bamma
  • Flare

• Huff N. Puff, and the former Tuff Puff article. As indicated by the Tattle descriptions of each enemy, Tuff Puffs are merely pieces of the much larger Huff N. Puff. As such, they are counted as different points of attack of the same body, so I proposed the two be merged for a more comprehensive article.

• Ground Pound, and the former Lock-on Ground Pound article. Essentially only a game-play-variant type of Ground Pound seen in a new game, with a given conjectural name. It could easily have been just the new way the move is used. Merged per other user's proposal.

• Mario Kart (series), and the former Balloon Battle article. A rather extensive article on a mode of the Mario Kart series, but articles on modes aren't allowed so I merged the relevant information per other user's proposal.

• Mario Party 7 - Articles on modes aren't allowed, so I re-wrote each of the following and merged into the main Mario Party 7 article per other user's proposal.
  • Volcano Peril
  • Pear Hunt
  • Waterfall Battle

• Merlee's Mansion, and the former VIP Generator Room article. Simply fit better as a section of the current article. Merged per earlier proposal.

• Podoboo Orb, and the former Bubble Capsule article. Same item, officially renamed. Merged per other user's proposal.

• Royal Tennis Academy, and the former Royal Tennis article. The former article was redundant, so I merged per other user's proposal. The subject of each article differs (the former describes the place, the current merged article the game-play of the place), so it would be helpful if someone could rewrite.

• Super Smash Bros. Brawl, and the former My Music article. Essentially a mode of Brawl, so merged per other user's proposal.

• Spear Guy, and the former Jungle Guy article. The Jungle Guy is an enemy found in Paper Mario, but it has the exact same appearance and behavior of a Spear Guy. Oh, and they also have the same name. Yeah, someone misnamed the article, so I changed the names to the proper one and merged.

• Tribe of Ancients - Three of the Four Sages make no actual appearance in the game in Super Paper Mario, so it was proposed that they be merged into the List of Implied Characters. However, I felt that their role to the history of the world and the affect that role had on the current plot of the game merited their receiving attention, so I suggested we merge them together into a group article, which ended up being a sub-section of the Tribe of Ancients article.
  • Merlimbis
  • Merlight
  • Merloo
  • Merlumina (Partially. Sub-section with a Main article notice)

• Vibe, and the former Vibe Meter article. Both articles were stubs and covered a topic too intimately-connected to stand well on their own, so I merged and re-wrote a little per other user's proposal.

Articles I've greatly expanded

These are articles that I found either woefully short or formatted in a bare-bones way without standardized sections. While most of the information is already there, what I've done is re-write most of it to be read longer and more professionally. I also go to related pages to glean a bit more information. Finally, I add appropriate sections to organize the article into the standard set for articles of more-than-average information. While I may not have created these pages, I certainly made them into what they are now.

• Boomerang Bro. (before)
• De-Evolution (before)
• Dinohattan (before)
• Fire Bro. (before)
• Super Mario Bros. (film) (before)
• Thwomp Stomper (before)

Articles I've created

• Princess Daisy (film character) - Per a proposal aimed at creating individual articles for the film counterpart characters.
• Elemental Crystals - Per the above merger.
• Paper Mario/Bestiary - Per creating a comprehensive list of Paper Mario enemy stats and Tattle logs.
• Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars/Bestiary - Per creating a comprehensive list of Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars enemy stats and Psychopath descriptions.

Articles I've helped become Featured

This section isn't for articles I've simply supported the Featuring of, or even those I've nominated for the position. Anything here is an article that I've pushed and pushed until I felt it was ready to become Featured, then I voted and it happened. Many articles nominated simply aren't ready, so I basically work everyone that supports the nomination, as well as myself, as much as I can until the article definitely is ready. You'd be surprised how much better an article can get.

Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga - The entire discussion and how I helped push this article to become featured can be read in archived form here: MarioWiki:Featured Articles/A/Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga. This means that you can create the proposal to split the movie characters' info found in the game characters' articles to a separate one. ¢oincoll€ctor

Hi!!!!

Oh my gosh! I've been online for 3 days in a row! It's a miracle! :D SJ derp :P

Congrats. - Walkazo 21:16, 24 November 2009 (EST)

So how have you been during my most recent vanishment? SJ derp :P

Busy and stressed, same as always. How have you been? - Walkazo 21:19, 24 November 2009 (EST)

School has started to over my life. @_@ As well as Facebook. :P SJ derp :P

I've managed to resist Facebook so far, but school took over my life long ago. I have a paper due tomorrow which I haven't even started on yet - the only reason I'm even online right now is to update a couple policy pages. I have to do it tonight because there's a chance our Internet's gonna get cut soon, since my mother messed up paying the bills somehow and the phone company is NOT happy... - Walkazo 21:37, 24 November 2009 (EST)

Yipes! That's not good. But I'm guessing you're a fellow procrastinator? :P SJ derp :P

Oh yeah, I leave everything until the last minute - especially boooooring homework assignments. - Walkazo 21:56, 24 November 2009 (EST)

lol. One time I had like a month to do a project and I waited until the day before it was due to start it. :P SJ derp :P

I've done that too many times to count :P - Walkazo 22:20, 24 November 2009 (EST)

Just Peachy

Okay, this has been happening more and more often it seems. Recent edits I made to Peach's article have been "overruled" by merit. I removed the "idea" that Peach is good friends with Birdo and Toadette. It is mentioned in her intro paragraphs section. When I removed this with valid reasoning, merit, "overruled" my edit without discussion and then when I asked him about it in-depth he told me sports-installments didn't matter or weren't important or something along those lines. ...? Sounds crazy right, I know. The whole reason I removed the idea Peahc and Birdo were good friends is because there is no reason on the page to believe they are. In FACT, it is in Mario Super Sluggers that they have bad chemistry together. Meaning they're definitely not "good" friends if they actually are friends at all. For a fact. Also, the idea Toadette and Peach are friends wasn't backed up at all either so why would they be mentioned as "good friends"?

Also, when I mentioned to merit in the same message that his revert of redstar's perfectly fine edits to Daisy page had no reason to be "overruled" he seemed to get lost and started talking about edits redtsar was making to Peach's. So i'm here asking you to help on this, walkazao, because merit clearly is a little confused and doesn't seem to have reason backing up his "overrulings" other than his odd and backwards opinion that sports installments don't count for anything character related? If you're wondering why this is so odd, put into consideration he has no problem saying two characters are friends because of their sports interactions, but is against using it as reason for them to not be?FD09

Just make sure to tell that to merit. FD09

Proposal vote

Actually, if you look at my whole edit, you can see that we had a proper vote for the removal of Edofenrir's vote and myself, Redstar and MATEOELBACAN all supported it. IIRC only 3 votes are required to remove a support/oppose vote. Marioguy1 (talk)

This rule only applies if a vote was cast in bad-faith or has no reason accompanying it. I gave a reason that was justified in my point of view. Or are you trying to imply that my vote was cast in bad faith ôo? - Gabumon^(talk) 20:41, 4 December 2009 (EST)

This rule applies in any case scenario, and Walkazo please stop re-adding the vote, that's edit warring. Walkazo: About your comment, the reasons for the removal of the vote cannot be unjust - he said something related to Lord Crump and other guy but made no reference to the subject at hand. Though he did "Per Tucayo" he can re-add the vote as "Per Tucayo" Marioguy1 (talk)

If you looked at the votes entirely, Marioguy1, you'll notice that Redstar didn't want the vote entirely removed, so you did not have the right to act. Not that you would anyway, because as Edofenrir pointed out here, there was not enough grounds to remove the votes in the first place. You need STRONG reasons, not quibbling about opinions. You have no right to remove those votes. - Walkazo 21:06, 4 December 2009 (EST)